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[Karel Spaten]

Seabear, on 12 March 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Two mechs that spring to mind in the role of hunter are the Spector and Exterminator; of course the latter is exclusively Star League.

Comstar's got plenty sitting in mothballs...

[DaZur]

Helmer, on 13 March 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

I thought this fairly obvious after reading all the Dev Blogs, etc etc, however I guess it needs repeating, and should probably be repeated every month or so. Seeing as how media is starting to roll out and more and more people are signing up for the forums.

You're not selecting a "class" up front. This isn't Warrior/Priest/Wizard/Thief .

Agreed. I would better define it as sub-roles a player would assume throughout the coarse of a match. As a couple other posters eluded to, assumption of this and similar sub-roles is largely dependent upon ones play-style and as hinted at by Paul, the sundry of modules that might lend themselves as beneficial to said sub-role.

[Helmer]

Andar89, on 13 March 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

I would say a Panther, I mean what is more deadly then a high speed mech with a PPC to shoot it in a grashopper's face?

64.8 Kmph? No thanks.

Might as well grab a Medium or Heavy that goes that fast, with twice the firepower, and they'd be even more effective at hunting lights.

Granted the Panther has Jump Jets and a smaller profile, which helps. But if you're talking Light/Scout Hunter, Id take something a bit faster.

Edited by Helmer, 13 March 2012 - 04:53 AM.

[Karel Spaten]

Helmer, on 13 March 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

64.8 Kmph? No thanks.

Might as well grab a Medium or Heavy that goes that fast, with twice the firepower, and they'd be even more effective at it.

It depends on how jump jets work in MWO. In TT, the Panther's low speed is offset by its maneuverability (you never need to worry about facing and terrain penalties if you don't want to).

[Helvetica]

Uziels thats what i want and this is the role i want too. Hunter killer. It's quick enough/jumpjets/good tonnage for weapons/ beagle probe.

[Longsword]

The Uziel does not exist for another... how many years?

[Helmer]

Karel Spaten, on 13 March 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

It depends on how jump jets work in MWO. In TT, the Panther's low speed is offset by its maneuverability (you never need to worry about facing and terrain penalties if you don't want to).

Plenty of Meds and Heavies have JJs. Except for a smaller profile, nothing stands out that makes a Panther a better Scout/Hunter killer than say a Medium with the same speed, JJs, and superior firepower.

However, thankfully, MWO is taking things like torso rotation, turning radius, etc etc into effect, so the comparisons now cannot totally be about the weapons load out, etc etc.
Nothing on paper makes the Panther stick out as a great Scount/Light Hunter killer..... but in game, it might turn out to be a nice heavy hitting assassin.

[EDMW CSN]

Even the old 5/8 Dragon will do pretty well. Dropping the AC5 for a PPC (a factory stock variant) will give it crippling firepower against a Jenner.

IIRC the stock Jenner has like 6 points of armor on the legs, a single PPC will cut it right into critical internal damage and slow down the baby dramatically.

The Panther despite in the same weight range has more than twice as much armor on the legs than the Jenner, so it can even take a Clan ERPPC / Gauss hit and still keep stay in the fight. The Panther is slow to begin with so it does not matter much for the Panther which relies on armor to tank a fight and jump sniping (like the Urban mech) instead of speed.

Edited by [EDMW]CSN, 13 March 2012 - 05:38 AM.

[Black Sunder]

Its called a Medium Mech?

[Graefin Zeppelin]

Black Sunder, on 13 March 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

Its called a Medium Mech?

Depends, I wouldnt call a Hunchback or Centurion a scout hunter. A Griffin or Vulcan can certainly do that.

[Chuckie]

Wait until I pimp out my Awesome

Lose a PPC, add double heatsinks, FF Armor, increase to a better engine, add a couple of SRM packs and a few Medium Lasers and voila.

An Assault mech that does 84, and can do a lot of damage while covered in a lot of armor..

You can do a lot with that 80 tons of Awesomeness..

[EDMW CSN]

Chuckie, on 13 March 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Wait until I pimp out my Awesome Lose a PPC, add double heatsinks, FF Armor, increase to a better engine, add a couple of SRM packs and a few Medium Lasers and voila. An Assault mech that does 84, and can do a lot of damage while covered in a lot of armor.. You can do a lot with that 80 tons of Awesomeness..

You won't have sufficient tonnage unless you use a highly expensive and vulnerable XL engine (give or take another 10+m to the cost of the mech).

A cheaper option is the Thug / Hatamoto Chi that goes 65 kph which has 2 PPCs and 2 SRM6s.

[Vtack]

This is exactly why I want an Enforcer. It won the 50 ton poll a week or two back, and even though there are already two announced 50 tonners I think the enforcer fills a special and unique roll in the *** kicking/name taking desprtment. It's fast and jump capable it has two main weapons systems with good power. Both the LL and AC/10 are located in the arms for enhanced ability to aim. In short it's s scout mechs worse nightmare and solid mech for engaging mediums and even some heavies

[Helmer]

Aegis Kleais™, on 13 March 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

If there's a Mech out there that could put the hurt on Scouts it would probably be the Blitzkreig. Aside from it being very far out from the current timeline, it was basically a 119Kph UAC20 Medium. That would be a nightmare to deal with and not be able to outrun.

Heck, even against Meds and Heavies, it would be a pain in the butt doing duck n run maneuvers and hitting you with a UAC20 when it could. That ain't no love tap.

Hadn't heard of the 'mech, but WOW, that's a definite threat. Light armor for a 'mech its size, but if can get behind the lines it could cause some serious issues with support 'mechs.

[Beaker]

Medium Mech, lasers, plenty of speed, skimp on the armour. Done.

Worked fine in most versions for hunting down lights, I'm a light mech user, and I only really feared fast mediums with energy weapons and Streaks.

[verybad]

Andar89, on 13 March 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

I would say a Panther, I mean what is more deadly then a high speed mech with a PPC to shoot it in a grashopper's face?

The Panther is NOT a high speed mech, in fact it's the second slowest light mech in the original TRO. It's a Medium mech in a lightmechs body, but it's not gonna win any races. I want to see it in the game because it's iconic an Draconis Combine mech, but it would be best used in built up terrain (cities) jumping on buildings, potshoting with the PPC, then getting back to cover. It's a very different type of mech, and it can't be used like a lightmech normally would be used.

Edited by verybad, 13 March 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Mason West]

Finally a good role for my medium, im totally going to do that!

[JP Josh]

a commando with atlas and flashman best raid group ever.

(also helps that wev been playing together since we could talk) BROTHERS IN ARMS *******

[Andar89]

verybad, on 13 March 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

The Panther is NOT a high speed mech, in fact it's the second slowest light mech in the original TRO. It's a Medium mech in a lightmechs body, but it's not gonna win any races. I want to see it in the game because it's iconic an Draconis Combine mech, but it would be best used in built up terrain (cities) jumping on buildings, potshoting with the PPC, then getting back to cover. It's a very different type of mech, and it can't be used like a lightmech normally would be used.

Well I must say before you all throw more stones =D
Im not the best in BT knowledge, but the Panther was my favorite mech in Light class Solaris match in MW4
just love the PPC

[Nick Makiaveli]

Major Tom, on 12 March 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I posted in another thread about the Role Warfare and availability of differnt Modules, and Pilot Skills, but I am starting to realize that those Roles are just archetypes. That each individual decision combined with every individual play style is going make roles dynamic and interchangeable.

Every decision you make in regards to your Role will impact your lance. Compare this to the MMO trinity (Tank, Healer, DPS), that works because everyone knows their role, and what they need to do to succeed as a group. I am not suggesting that every lance needs confrorm to cookie cutter roles, but every player has to contribute in to the success as a group.

You may call yourself a Scout Hunter, but your Commander might call you a Scout, or he might call you "the guy who is supposed to be scouting the enemy because he took a light mech but isn't so he can't call in an Air Strike"; unless your group is designed to take advantage of a Scout Hunter role.

I think this will cause issues with House/LW players as they seem the most likely to be tossed into PUGs. My hope is to be a hybrid ie more Hunter-Killer than just one or the other. Obviously what I role I roll with will be determined by my Commander, but I hope to do both.

Besides if you spot a hidden Scout, and you happen to have a spare airstrike or LRM boat standing by.....so any scout could take out other scouts. Plus you always have your own weapons and if you get off the first shots....