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[metalwolf2900]

do to my aggressive and arny nature, i would have been thrown out of the conventional militaries, and i love to **** my "superiors" off, so bein a lonewolf is a no brain for me. im also for the under dog, and u cant get more under dogish then the lone person fightin it out with a standard military person and winning!!

[Catamount]

Well even in light of responses, I stand by my critique of all eugenics as a fundamentally flawed concept, achieving nothing otherwise unachievable, and creating mass problems in the mean time.

But hey, at the end of the day, I just don't like anyone invading my home. Maybe our governments do suck, but we didn't ask the Clans to come and "fix" them for us, certainly not by conquest. Arrogant people can justify preemptive invasions of sovereign entities doing nothing to them however they like, but at the end of the day, it's just that, arrogance, arrogance and self-serving greed.

So it's time to go kill come crusaders


As a slight off topic, having just finished the Mass Effect franchise, something occurs to me about the Clans. The basic thesis of the clans, or at least what they "claim" as their good and true motives, as that they're really our "salvation" from ourselves, which is word for word the exact thing the Reapers claimed

Edited by Catamount, 18 April 2012 - 10:20 AM.

[Adridos]

Other (copied from one of my PMs I did):

"I learned we had to choose a house. They "forgot" to mention mercenaries and I was too new to know about them. I asked, countless times. People told me of Sarna, and said I mustn't pick Davion. I went to Sarna, read about all of them and left with Kuritans, FWL and Liao. I liked FWL and Liao, but both Liao and Kuritans were asians. When I saw FWL pictures, I was disquested by the amount of pink/purple they used. Not like Roman aristocracy, they used it everywhere. That left me with Kuritans and Liao. I told people I got to those two, but they are both asian and I did not like that. Metro and others told me that Liao is in fact multicultural with Russians and Scots, so I joined them."

[Trevnor]

Adridos, on 18 April 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Other (copied from one of my PMs I did):

"I learned we had to choose a house. They "forgot" to mention mercenaries and I was too new to know about them. I asked, countless times. People told me of Sarna, and said I mustn't pick Davion. I went to Sarna, read about all of them and left with Kuritans, FWL and Liao. I liked FWL and Liao, but both Liao and Kuritans were asians. When I saw FWL pictures, I was disquested by the amount of pink/purple they used. Not like Roman aristocracy, they used it everywhere. That left me with Kuritans and Liao. I told people I got to those two, but they are both asian and I did not like that. Metro and others told me that Liao is in fact multicultural with Russians and Scots, so I joined them."

Didn't even consider the Free and proud FRR?

[guardian wolf]

Catamount, on 18 April 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Well even in light of responses, I stand by my critique of all eugenics as a fundamentally flawed concept, achieving nothing otherwise unachievable, and creating mass problems in the mean time.

But hey, at the end of the day, I just don't like anyone invading my home. Maybe our governments do suck, but we didn't ask the Clans to come and "fix" them for us, certainly not by conquest. Arrogant people can justify preemptive invasions of sovereign entities doing nothing to them however they like, but at the end of the day, it's just that, arrogance, arrogance and self-serving greed.

So it's time to go kill come crusaders


As a slight off topic, having just finished the Mass Effect franchise, something occurs to me about the Clans. The basic thesis of the clans, or at least what they "claim" as their good and true motives, as that they're really our "salvation" from ourselves, which is word for word the exact thing the Reapers claimed

Hey hey hey, crusader mentality, not warden, we wanted to return peacefully, if at all, so, go blame that on our Crusader brothers.

[Lorcan Lladd]

It's a pain working with your average computer gamer, and a pleasure working against him...

[Darth Frog]

My son is named Marek. Kinda seemed wrong to pic any house other than House Marik.

[Arcterran]

The fact that clans were not at launch made things easer

Non cannon merc corp for 3 reasons

1) I don't really care about the great houses

2) Always enjoyed doing a bit of privateer work in games

3) It's basically a clan (in the gaming sense, not the canon sense) and I know a few friends who have been waiting for a proper Mechwarrior for ages.

[Adridos]

Lt Trevnor, on 18 April 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

Didn't even consider the Free and proud FRR?

EDIT: Nah, my memory is playing with me.

I still don't remember considering them, maybe because of the fact we were asked to join one of teh great houses and they sorta felt like WoB to me and not a house in the current timeline.

Edited by Adridos, 18 April 2012 - 12:23 PM.

[Catamount]

guardian wolf, on 18 April 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Hey hey hey, crusader mentality, not warden, we wanted to return peacefully, if at all, so, go blame that on our Crusader brothers.

I do, I do, especially when it comes to Wolf

I realize that Clan Wolf, above all others, was always on our side (if not a fan of the IS as a political entity, then at least a protector of its people). I've actually found out a couple things while reading up to refresh my memory on some of this that surprised even me. I had always though the Wolf Dragoon's turn on the invasion was coincidental; I didn't realize they were actually operating under orders from Clan Wolf to attempt to stop the invasion.
Seriously, props for that. You Trojan Horsed a Trojan Horse! The Wolf's Dragoons were literally Clan Wolf assistance to the IS, pretending to be a clan vanguard, pretending to be a merc company

This was before unilaterally calling for a Trial of Refusal against the invasion, fighting a four on one battle, HMS Thunder Child style, to stop the invasion (apparently doing almost as well as the ship!), and later, fighting a near suicidal war with those blasted Jade Falcons to preserve the terms of the truce following the Battle of Tukayyid.


Now, I'm no romantic (just the opposite); the clans still have their inherent flaws, and they're quite gaping. The invasion never would have been voted in 16 to 1, and later the Tukayyid truce never would have been challenged, if the Clans had some basis for their society besides combat, and it was their own programs of eugenics making their warriors incapable of living in a state of peace (you bread blood thirsty warriors, that's what you get), that ultimately precipitated the Refusal War in the first place.

Still, the Clans might be a full blown sociological disaster all around (far worse than the mere civics disaster of the IS), but at least I respect Clan Wolf and Ghost Bear, especially Wolf. That's more than I can say for CSJ or Clan Jade Falcon.

[Shiinore]

Kurita is Japanese.

I'm half Japanese.

[Jeremiah Mint]

What drew me to Liao and the Confederation was a specific sociopolitical ideal; that ideal being the principle of citizenship as a reward for service.
Also the Capellan citizenry have an interesting view of hard work that I find refreshing.


And of course there are the Death Commandos.

[Xyph3r]

guardian wolf, on 18 April 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Hey hey hey, crusader mentality, not warden, we wanted to return peacefully, if at all, so, go blame that on our Crusader brothers.

or, to Say it clearly: Blame it ALL on the Parrot Khan, for SHE was the one that forced ilKhan Vlad Ward to start that freggin invasion!

[Der Kommissar]

I admire the Capellan Confederation prior to Sun-Tzu's takeover. If you read the fluff, you know they've always had a rough way of it, and have been behind a surprising number of treaties and attempted peace initiatives, bad reputation nonwithstanding. Even so, they're not nice guys. They are - historically - pretty ugly, and will be worse when the game time rolls around. Just like, you know, real nation-states.

I like how they (didn't used to be) *nationality* in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE, and how they have a unique, semi-soviet socialist flavor to them. Plus there's the whole fun of fighting/rooting for the underdogs. Victories seem to mean more.

Xin Sheng and Sun Tzu, meh, not interested.

Edited by Der Kommissar, 18 April 2012 - 06:45 PM.

[Aethon]

I like the Clans (for the most part) because they're what I grew up with. The first PC game I ever saved up for (which ended up being given to me as a birthday gift) was Mechwarrior 2. The game was, of course, amazing, and entertains me to this day, due in no small part to the mechlab and star config. I had wondered what the IIC meant in front of the Rifleman, Warhammer, and Marauder, but just assumed it was an updated version of some older design.

Then Ghost Bear's Legacy was released, and I ran into some mechs that said I.S. before the name; chassis I had never seen before. Something called an I.S. Atlas, another one called the I.S. Victor, and so on. I had no idea what I.S. meant, but I wan't terribly impressed with them, although I thought the Victor was a pretty nice machine overall.

After a while, though, I wanted to know more about the conflict, who these people were, etc., so I started reading the info in the holotank in the clan hall. It didn't take long before I wanted to read Battletech novels, and I became hooked on the series shortly thereafter.

As a result, I essentially grew up with the Clans. They were familiar to me from the very beginning, and the IS is something new and different, to which I've never really become accustomed. There are some cool things and people in the Inner Sphere, but the Clans are where it's at for me.

I chose Hell's Horses Gamma Galaxy because of two reasons: for the canon stuff, they are very tolerant of their freeborn members, and they believe in tactics and the power of the people in the machines, not ungodly CERPPC spam (or even mech spam at all). Later on, they became a warden faction, which I also like. Those are the fluff reasons, but the biggest reason is that there are some really cool people in Gamma Galaxy; that, ultimately, matters more than the fluff/canon storyline.

[RotS Targe]

Republic of the Sphere... 32 years to go

Other: They were the first I read about.
As I read more, I liked their economic system, their ideals, and so on.

[Adridos]

Republic? It seems quite meh..

Like FRR, but with no future at all.

[Naughtyboy]

Xyph3r, on 18 April 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

or, to Say it clearly: Blame it ALL on the Parrot Khan, for SHE was the one that forced ilKhan Vlad Ward to start that freggin invasion!

Just to make it clear..do not blame poor Vlad, he has and will never be ilKhan, the vote for an invasion of the inner sphere was forced upon the Wardens by Crusader clans after a Explorer Corps ship named Outbound Light jumped into the Huntress system owned by Clan Smoke Jaguars the ilKHan chosen to lead the invasion was Leo Showers, he was killed by a lone FRR aerofighter pilot in the Radstadt system. as ilKhan after that the Clans chose Wolf Khan Ulric Kerensky to lead the invasion wich ended at the Battle of Tukayyid in june 3052.

I did chose Davions more or less cause i like the lore waaay back when i first ran into battletech.

[Trevnor]

Adridos, on 19 April 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

Republic? It seems quite meh..

Like FRR, but with no future at all.

Now now, we may surprise you yet. Also, we have a huge future. We only have 7 planets after the Clan invasion, sure, but eventually Clan Ghost Bear and us become one, as the Rasalhague Dominion.

[guardian wolf]

Catamount, on 18 April 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

I do, I do, especially when it comes to Wolf

I realize that Clan Wolf, above all others, was always on our side (if not a fan of the IS as a political entity, then at least a protector of its people). I've actually found out a couple things while reading up to refresh my memory on some of this that surprised even me. I had always though the Wolf Dragoon's turn on the invasion was coincidental; I didn't realize they were actually operating under orders from Clan Wolf to attempt to stop the invasion.
Seriously, props for that. You Trojan Horsed a Trojan Horse! The Wolf's Dragoons were literally Clan Wolf assistance to the IS, pretending to be a clan vanguard, pretending to be a merc company

This was before unilaterally calling for a Trial of Refusal against the invasion, fighting a four on one battle, HMS Thunder Child style, to stop the invasion (apparently doing almost as well as the ship!), and later, fighting a near suicidal war with those blasted Jade Falcons to preserve the terms of the truce following the Battle of Tukayyid.


Now, I'm no romantic (just the opposite); the clans still have their inherent flaws, and they're quite gaping. The invasion never would have been voted in 16 to 1, and later the Tukayyid truce never would have been challenged, if the Clans had some basis for their society besides combat, and it was their own programs of eugenics making their warriors incapable of living in a state of peace (you bread blood thirsty warriors, that's what you get), that ultimately precipitated the Refusal War in the first place.

Still, the Clans might be a full blown sociological disaster all around (far worse than the mere civics disaster of the IS), but at least I respect Clan Wolf and Ghost Bear, especially Wolf. That's more than I can say for CSJ or Clan Jade Falcon.

Thank you for finally getting what I said received correctly and unbiasedly, thank you.

Xyph3r, on 18 April 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

or, to Say it clearly: Blame it ALL on the Parrot Khan, for SHE was the one that forced ilKhan Vlad Ward to start that freggin invasion!

(IC) Those blasted Falcons will be the death of us all, (/IC) IT wasn't Vlad, it was Ulric Kerensky.

Naughtyboy, on 19 April 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Just to make it clear..do not blame poor Vlad, he has and will never be ilKhan, the vote for an invasion of the inner sphere was forced upon the Wardens by Crusader clans after a Explorer Corps ship named Outbound Light jumped into the Huntress system owned by Clan Smoke Jaguars the ilKHan chosen to lead the invasion was Leo Showers, he was killed by a lone FRR aerofighter pilot in the Radstadt system. as ilKhan after that the Clans chose Wolf Khan Ulric Kerensky to lead the invasion wich ended at the Battle of Tukayyid in june 3052.

I did chose Davions more or less cause i like the lore waaay back when i first ran into battletech.

Once again a good explanation, nice to see some people without the "OMG THE CLANS ARE ALL TEH BADGUYZZ I HATES CLANS" mentality.