136 replies to this topic

[Thor77]

Coolant flush: I'm fine with it or without it. If it is implemented, it would be nice to see it balanced. A coolant flush gives a short term gain but reduces your cooling capacity for the rest of the match. The more coolant you flush, the faster you overheat, leading you to flush more coolant, etc etc spiral into burning oblivion.

But if your mech is a shambles anyway, you're running hot due to an engine critical, and you really want to kill that one guy before you get slagged, yeah, sure, dump your coolant to get your heat back down for one more salvo of PPC fire. It should be a desperation type of move, not a routine part of battle.

[Dragorath]

Hopefully not, I hated it.

[DropKick867]

Flush; no flush....either is fine with me AS LONG AS I do not have to listen to the same heat-warning alarm as in MW3.....god I hated that thing going off constantly...

[Naughtyboy]

DropKick867, on 20 April 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

Flush; no flush....either is fine with me AS LONG AS I do not have to listen to the same heat-warning alarm as in MW3.....god I hated that thing going off constantly...

hehe..heard of heat management before? just kidding, think its good to get a warning when you get into the red zone on the heat scale.

[DropKick867]

Naughtyboy, on 20 April 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

hehe..heard of heat management before? just kidding, think its good to get a warning when you get into the red zone on the heat scale.

Yeah, but at the begging of the campaign, when all you had was the stock Bushwhacker, it got pretty irritating until some decent salvage was scored.....didn't know if I was gonna make it over that hump at the time....lol

Edited by DropKick867, 20 April 2012 - 08:02 AM.

[Lomack]

I could see a coolant flush being offered on a limited basis.

PGI has said that environment will play a factor so standing in water or fighing on an ice plannet should help a lot with heat. This is where it will be interesting to see if we are able to customize mechs at any point between the contract selection and the start of the engagement. Loading up on a laser heavy mech for figing on an ice plannet could have significant advantages. The same can be said for being in a primarily balistic based mech in desert conditions.

Perhapse a coolant flush option could be offered as a one use item. Buy it with cbills you can only take 1-2 with you on a fight, and when you use it, its gone. The superheated coolant is expelled from the mech and your 1-2 drums of backup coolant are used to replenish the system. You have to pay cbills to restock if you want more. This would allow for strategic usage at a cost, that may be prohibitive from using in every match. Price it so that people will only want to bother for strategically important fights.

[Malavai Fletcher]

So,your in a fight,you know where your heat spikes and you play accordingly to stop yourself from shutting down.Enemy mech comes at you and starts hitting you with flamers(or similar heat inducing weapons),pushes you into the red and shuts you down,keeps hiting you and keeps you shut down.

Am i putting too much faith in flamers?

Will heatsinks negate the heat build up from the weapon?

If so what will be the point of flamers?

[Mikro]

I was wondering in MW4 it was Press F short burst or use it all but once it was gone in the match It was gone.You could stand in water to cool the mech too or if you over heat it recovered faster in water I was just wondering if this be the same kind of system in MWO

Edited by Mikro, 20 April 2012 - 05:04 PM.

[RedDragon]

Malavai Fletcher, on 20 April 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

So,your in a fight,you know where your heat spikes and you play accordingly to stop yourself from shutting down.Enemy mech comes at you and starts hitting you with flamers(or similar heat inducing weapons),pushes you into the red and shuts you down,keeps hiting you and keeps you shut down.

Am i putting too much faith in flamers?

Will heatsinks negate the heat build up from the weapon?

If so what will be the point of flamers?

Flamers only generate 2 heat points (if at all, normally they just do damage like a MG). So if you're not using any weapons and are just cooling down, your enemy would have to field a LOT of flamers to keep you shut down. Flamers are primarily used against infantry or to to burn down things like woods or buildings. They can held overheat an enemy if mixed with other weapons, but a mech only equipped with flamers is easy bait.

[Jonas]

A shut downed MECH is the biggest target on the field. Will you over heat your Mech maybe if you do will it cost you Yes... yes it will!

[trycksh0t]

Ian MacLeary, on 17 April 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

I couldn't find a date on Sarna, but Solaris Skunkwerks has them as IS Experimental Tech in 3049; Clan Experimental in 3056.

djuice1701, on 17 April 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

The Coolant Pods were available to Federated Commonwealth in 3049, it's considered Experimental Tech like the Bombast Laser.. & Chemical Lasers...


Rules Level: Experimental
Available To: BM, IM, AF, CF
Tech Base (Ratings): Both (D/X-X-E)
Game Rules: Though a unit may mount multiple Coolant Pods, only one may be triggered per turn, which is done at the start of the unit’s Heat Phase. A Coolant Pod increases the cooling capacity of all of the unit’s active heat sinks by 1 point each (regardless of heat sink type). If a critical hit strikes a Coolant Pod, the compressed fluids explode for 10 points of damage, as an internal ammo explosion.

So if there is Factions item restrictions then FedCom should be able to use this. While other Factions would have to make without it.

You would be correct, my mistake. They were protyped in 3049 according to TacticalOperations. Granted, being that they weren't in general production or use, I wouldn't hold out hope of seeing them at any point in the near future.

DropKick867, on 20 April 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

Yeah, but at the begging of the campaign, when all you had was the stock Bushwhacker, it got pretty irritating until some decent salvage was scored.....didn't know if I was gonna make it over that hump at the time....lol

Yeah, I remember that.
'Oh, I've got an ER Large Laser, let's test it out.'
*Fire*
'BWEEEP!!!'
"***?? Who designed this thing? One shot and it overheats? Who thought THAT was a good idea?"

[TheHmm]

Great, more complexity to the gameplay, an ability to "spike", if saved for the right moment, it is invaluable...

Saving it for the "right moment" is the trick...

Its good in the way that noobs get a little fix up if they mess up, and pros get a good chance to dish out some extra dmg 1 or maybe up to three times extra.

But not much, just enough to keep you online when it gets hot.

And its not ammo for lasers... its a dmg spike for lasers...

all a tradeoff, better continuous dmg, or a burst or two.

in missiles we can mount an extra launcher and less ammo.

Same thing with guns.

Stop being asspies.

[Ramrod]

TheHmm, on 21 April 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

pros get a good chance to dish out some extra dmg 1 or maybe up to three times extra.

But not much, just enough to keep you online when it gets hot.

If they go with a system that's anything like the MW4 games or the MWLL mod, it won't be "1 or maybe up to three times extra", it will be a get-out-of-jail-free card. You can fire continuously for an entire Mech duel, all the while remaining at your Mech's heat shutdown threshold simply by tapping F when you hear the warning. Absolutely no consequences for heat spiking, you get enough cooling to spike again, you only use a tiny bit of coolant, and you can still do flush about 20 more times.

If you watch any videos on Youtube of clan matches, that's how some "pros" play their boats, which you can imagine means a lot of "noobs" don't stick around in these games very long out of frustration.

Unless they rework the coolant flush system, all the guys in this thread complaining about it are doing it because in previous games, it has been unbalanced and heavily in favour of laser boats. Why do you think MLas boats have always been such a problem in MW3 and 4? Heat was basically a non-issue.

Edited by Ramrod, 21 April 2012 - 03:35 AM.

[Siilk]

Dragorath, on 20 April 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

Hopefully not, I hated it.

^This. Free coolant flushes ruin the balance. Now coolant pods, with all their limitation and the risk of exploding if damaged, could work just fine.

[jaytar]

an alpha strike shouldn't create a shut down situation with proper heat management.. might really limit your next shots for a while...........play smart. if you're gonna use an alpha strike you better be in the position of not needing many more shots for the kill.

[Renegade Mitchell]

Reading this thread has me wondering if the Devs will have an override to shut down, much like previous MW games. Also how it will be implemented. Back when MW4: Mercs was first released, it had an override bug issue, gladly a patch came out shortly after to fix that. Prior to that, in MW4 there was also a heat bug issue that some players exploited. Hope this will not happen here.

Edited by Renegade Mitchell, 21 April 2012 - 01:54 PM.

[Sporklift]

I wish I had a coolant flush for ME. Working around huge roto-cast ovens all day in 90+ degree weather. I wish I could shock my system by injecting an ounce of icy saline into my heart too keep me cool and hydrated. (I'd probably end up passing out)

[Rot Wulf]

Count me as a Coolant Flush HATER. I love diversity in builds, and heat is the drawback to energy weapons. The reason you build your mech with heat sinks is so that the lighter ammo free energy weapons are not the only weapons of value. If you don't want to shut down break your rate of fire, or build a heat efficient design.

otherwise just pull AC's out of the game, and maybe SRMs too.

I like the general commitment to the TT games they have expressed. The collant flush in the TT game was to find a lake or river.

Also I hope they have a diversity of worlds, in the TT there were hot planets on which Laser/PPC were a problem. At the same time they had an advantage on wet/frozen worlds.

[RiceyFighter]

Coolant flush would ruin it a bit i guess. You can just Alpha Strike then coolant flush to get away.

[Hawks]

'No' to coolant flush. Lrn2 manage heat.

LordDeathStrike, on 19 April 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

there isnt a huge difference in submerging a mech in water thats almost the same temp as local air either given the fact that most of the time your heat sinks under heavy load are 250-1000 degrees hotter (kelvin, not puney F or C degrees) then the ambient temps.

Actually there is a massive difference. Water has a considerably higher specific heat capacity than air.