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[Der Kommissar]

pursang, on 18 April 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yyyyeeessss.

Your role isn't dictated by what 'Mech you bring, but what role you chose/modules you use.

It's dictated by your mech some, as well. A 4/6 Centurion will never perform as well in recon as a 6/9/6 Chameleon. Certainly roles and modules will help, but so does the mech.

Some mediums, I remind folks, are actually dedicated scouts. The Cicada, for example, which moves at a not-*******-around 8/12.

Edited by Der Kommissar, 18 April 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[Sleepy Head]

So, even if I loaded an Atlas with large amount of recon equipment (don't know why I'd do that), I could still be a recon 'mech?

[Mason Ventris]

Lighter mediums with similar or slightly slower speeds can be viable as force recon units. Speed for recon, but enough punch to worry anything(and it they don't get worried they are stupid).

[Gun Bear]

Yes, certain Medium Mechs make great scouts. Especially after the intro of endo steel internal structure after that many medium 'mechs can move just as fast as the light ones and pack more firepower and armor.

[Der Kommissar]

Sleepy Head, on 18 April 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

So, even if I loaded an Atlas with large amount of recon equipment (don't know why I'd do that), I could still be a recon 'mech?

In theory, yes. I say "in theory" because that school of thought brought us the Charger.

[EDMW CSN]

In the 40 ton to 45 ton range, there is a wealth of fast mediums to choose from. Off my head, Clint, Assassin, Hermes II, Sentinel, P. Hawk etc
They are capable of matching the speed of a Commando. The Assassin can even out jump a Jenner.

Even if they are not in the starting line up of mechs, PGI will add them in eventually.

[pursang]

Der Kommissar, on 18 April 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

It's dictated by your mech some, as well. A 4/6 Centurion will never perform as well in recon as a 6/9/6 Chameleon. Certainly roles and modules will help, but so does the mech.

Some mediums, I remind folks, are actually dedicated scouts. The Cicada, for example, which moves at a not-*******-around 8/12.

On the contrary, the Centurion can perform the roll, it just won't perform as well as other 'Mechs.

The point of the matter is, there's nothing physically stopping you from taking that Centurion and using it to recon. You might get yelled at from your team mates and shot up a lot, but that's about it.

Edited by pursang, 18 April 2012 - 11:58 PM.

[Soviet Alex]

Sleepy Head, on 18 April 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

So, even if I loaded an Atlas with large amount of recon equipment (don't know why I'd do that), I could still be a recon 'mech?

Sleepy, you could scout in an Atlas without any recon equipment. You don't need all the fancy electronics from a Raven to be a scout. Just find the enemy & tell your mates. But the Atlas doesn't cover the ground very quickly, so you might not be very effective.

[EDMW CSN]

Soviet Alex, on 19 April 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

Sleepy, you could scout in an Atlas without any recon equipment. You don't need all the fancy electronics from a Raven to be a scout. Just find the enemy & tell your mates. But the Atlas doesn't cover the ground very quickly, so you might not be very effective.

Atlas scouting ?

Edited by [EDMW]CSN, 19 April 2012 - 02:43 AM.

[LordDeathStrike]

[EDMW]CSN, on 19 April 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Atlas scouting ?

exactly, thats how you scout proper, except for the cheesy mwll atlas loadouts. proper scout atlas has 2 large lasers lrm 20 and gauss rifle.

[EDMW CSN]

LordDeathStrike, on 19 April 2012 - 02:50 AM, said:

exactly, thats how you scout proper, except for the cheesy mwll atlas loadouts. proper scout atlas has 2 large lasers lrm 20 and gauss rifle.

Atlas Scout Lance™ : De-valuing your intel the moment you find something since 2755 !!!

Edited by [EDMW]CSN, 19 April 2012 - 03:07 AM.

[LordDeathStrike]

[EDMW]CSN, on 19 April 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

Atlas Scout Lance™ : De-valuing your intel the moment you find something since 2755 !!!

the 400 tons atlas scout lance is your scout lance (80 tons) harrasser lance (120 tons) and heavy fighter lance ( 200 tons) rolled into one mobile fortress of firepower.

[Makaveli]

I cant belive there is ANY doubt about this at this point the developer blogs.

[MacabreDerek]

I am reminded of the Cicada, which is pretty much designed for scouting with some survivability.

[Paladin1]

LordDeathStrike, on 18 April 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

a swifter ac 5 lrm 10 dragon makes a good "big" scout mech if you install electronics for that role. itll take alot more punishment then say, the jenner hehe. and at the same time, it carries good long range harrassment weapons (ac and lrms, low heat, decent punch, just bring enough ammo!)

my large open map atlas will be a scout. it shall carry a guass rifle, 2 large lasers, lrm 20, 7x scout zoom, ams and if it has mod slots for it, bap/ecm/c3 so i can relay what i see to the team. in the mean time ill be zooming view and plinking targets in the cockpits with large laser and guass fire and lrm 20 salvos.

she aint fast but shes a brick shithouse fortress for armor and firepowah.

Sir, as a part of the official Lore Police, I need to ask you to slowly remove your Marik faction banner, then place your hands above your head. You're being charged with reckless disregard for a faction, willful ignorance of the setting, misappropriation of Scout status and multiple counts of Atlas abuse.

Thank you for cooperating today sir, a new Steiner faction banner will be issued to you shortly.

Seriously, a Scout Atlas???

*walks off muttering about kids and their lack of respect for the Lore*

[Woodstock]

I think there will be some serious overlap between what each class of mech is viable for.

With high speed and small size giving some mechs a natural inclination towards scouting.

And slow speed and large size giving other mechs a natural ability to be shot lots.

So to answer you question. I think it will depend on the load out of the med mech. If you up its engine rating and lower its armour then it will be faster and more likely to fit into the scout role. If you max its armour at the expense of engine performance then it will become more of a front line combat mech.

I guess the same applies to heavies ... they could make pretty good fast skirmish mechs if you crank up the engine.

[3Xtr3m3]

I am very fond of the Blackhawk/Nova. Tons of armour, fast, low to ground profile, and enough variety in firepower to make all others jealous. And at 60 tons, it is the ultimate word in medium scout mechs. Damn you Clan Ghost Bear for shutting down production of the most popular mech in existence, 200 years ago! (Mad Cat fans feel free to disagree on popularity).

[Geist Null]

i think the answer just comes down to the number of scouting moduals available for the 35 ton chassis to the 55 ton chassis for scouting. when the devs release the complete list then we can argue over things proper.

[Der Kommissar]

pursang, on 18 April 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

On the contrary, the Centurion can perform the roll, it just won't perform as well as other 'Mechs.

The point of the matter is, there's nothing physically stopping you from taking that Centurion and using it to recon. You might get yelled at from your team mates and shot up a lot, but that's about it.

That's pretty much what I said, except I emphasized that the chassis chosen will matter. Not all mediums are created equal, not all will adapt to different roles as well.

[Nik Van Rhijn]

More to the point we need some better chassis than the ones we have at the moment. To borrow a common phrase on this forum "Moar mechs".