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[Quinton]

I think a subsequent poll would be interesting, one that asks, which weapon types people think are currently superior (or OP) in the game. Are lasers better than ballistics or Missiles? Personally i right now i believe ballistics lose out in just about every aspect of the game except heat generation and range. Generally ton for ton lasers do more damage, can be fired more often, and more accurately than any ballistic weapon (also not a fan of the massive gap between machine guns .5 tons and AC/2's 6 tons) In retrospect, perhaps what is needed is a poll going weapon by weapon asking what is needed (more/less range, damage, ROF, heat, perfectly balanced, etc) This would give you a closer representation of what peoples concerns are. Whether that can be done or not is another issue entirely.


P.S. whether anyone will actually take time out of their QQing to quantify their concerns is also another issue entirely

[Quxudica]

Kaijin, on 13 November 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

Since it's extremely unlikely anyone would pick the option that gauss rifles are underpowered, and nobody had yet, I replaced it with your perfectly balanced option. You may now vote with clear conscience.

You have under and over, nothing in between. When the only answers are extremes you do not get a real picture of the current state of things. Absolutes are not often correct and even less often helpful, balance is a game of nuance.

[Kaijin]

Quxudica, on 13 November 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

You have under and over, nothing in between. When the only answers are extremes you do not get a real picture of the current state of things. Absolutes are not often correct and even less often helpful, balance is a game of nuance.

Your option is there, within the limits of the poll. How many times do I have to repeat that there can only be 20 poll options? Quit complaining and vote.

Edited by Kaijin, 13 November 2012 - 07:41 AM.

[Keifomofutu]

Quxudica, on 13 November 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

You have under and over, nothing in between. When the only answers are extremes you do not get a real picture of the current state of things. Absolutes are not often correct and even less often helpful, balance is a game of nuance.

If you see a weapon group that has few votes for either OP or UP then its probably fairly balanced. About where I'd put SRMs so I didn't vote for either option for them.

Looking at the poll for an example regular lasers have the fewest votes for underpowered or overpowered. Hence it seems a lot of people find them balanced.

Edited by Keifomofutu, 13 November 2012 - 10:28 AM.

[Teralitha]

I could not vote - the option of "Have no favorite like them all." is missing.

[Kaijin]

Teralitha, on 13 November 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

I could not vote - the option of "Have no favorite like them all." is missing.

Thanks for your comment. The 'like them all' demographic is not relevant to this poll (it is The Role Poll, after all), and so was not included.

Edited by Kaijin, 13 November 2012 - 10:59 AM.

[Pocket Psycho]

SPARTAN 104, on 13 November 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:

I would love to see this poll pop up with even more items on the ticket. I think the point is moot however until they get the game firing on all cylinders.

Ahhh yes, the soothing stacato rumble of a V6 and 3/4's, because using all 8 would be showing off

[Vassago Rain]

Scout/striker sounds fancy. I don't know what that is, but it sounds good.

A multi-choice poll! Let me put in my votes for everything.

[Rathe]

good poll. I will link this to my cReddit Horde.

[Tuhalu]

Kaijin, on 13 November 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Your option is there, within the limits of the poll. How many times do I have to repeat that there can only be 20 poll options? Quit complaining and vote.

I don't see how your equipment balance question is relevant to the Role Poll topic. Better to have split it off into it's own thread where you could have put up three questions with 20 poll options instead. Limit magically increased to 60!

[One Medic Army]

Well, you saw it here first folks, everything's underpowered except gauss.

[That was sarcasm for those who missed it]

Edited by One Medic Army, 13 November 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[Kaijin]

Vassago Rain, on 13 November 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

A multi-choice poll! Let me put in my votes for everything.

Good for you! When I go over the data later, and report my findings, your dubious contribution will not be included, as it appears you did vote for everything. Well done?

[vifoxe]

I've playing a lot of rear guard lately. I guess that would be striker? I try to protect my boats/assaults and chase out enemy scouts with my 4P ML boat/fast AL

[Kaijin]

vifoxe, on 14 November 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

I've playing a lot of rear guard lately. I guess that would be striker? I try to protect my boats/assaults and chase out enemy scouts with my 4P ML boat/fast AL

That is one of the many duties a Striker can perform. Fast and 4 MPL sounds very Strikerish.

[Revorn]

Good Poll. Great work.

[Elepole]

I play my Cicada as a Scout/striker/direct support mech, playing around with either AC/2s, AC/5, ERLL or ERPPC. Currently, i feel that PPCs are not as good as ERLL or Gauss: Gauss have no heat, and ERLL is much better for dealing with the lagshield and convergence issue. ACs are also a little behind energy weapon, but not as much as PPCs. PPCs have just no use in the game for now, that's sad.

[Purlana]

Only 21% think PPCs are underpowered?

I am disappointed.

Edited by Purlana, 14 November 2012 - 08:41 AM.

[Keifomofutu]

Purlana, on 14 November 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

Only 21% think PPCs are underpowered?

I am disappointed.

I imagine a lot of people only voted for their favorite weapon either yay or nay. A lot probably skipped parts of the poll. It got more votes for being underpowered than any other weapon group.

[Wispsy]

Purlana, on 14 November 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

Only 21% think PPCs are underpowered?

I am disappointed.

200 votes is not far off 100% of people who voted. 20% compared to the percentages taken up by the other options in the question.

Edit: It is because people can pick more then one option.

Edited by Wispsy, 14 November 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[Lanessar]

Purlana, on 14 November 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

Only 21% think PPCs are underpowered?

I am disappointed.

I think this is because very few people use them, so can't speak as to the veracity of OP vs under powered. For example, not having used ACs a lot, I can't say whether they are OP or under powered. Gauss, on the other hand, needs tweaking, but I don't feel it is OP. I think the problem is that the serious contender (PPCs) are very under powered, thus creating that impression.

This is pretty clearly visible in the K2 builds - most go for super-specialized Gauss, instead of using the standard PPCs; despite the fact that there is better mobility on arm mounts and the stock K2 should be a viable mech. So, it's pretty clear the problem is under powered/disadvantaged PPCs. I think this relates more to the heat gen than any actual damage buff or effects needed, honestly. But that's just my opinion.