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[Victor Morson]

Belisarius†, on 08 May 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

The retarded forum filter doesn't exactly fill me with hope in that regard. Creative spelling is the main reason I think chat filters are stupid anyway.

EDIT: hey, it let me say ****** that time.

EDIT 2: okay, so "retarded" is fine but the root is not. Duly noted, mr filter man. Also dick.

I always love the great filter debate on words like "retarded" that are fine for prime time TV, but not for filters. Speaking of silly filters my hat goes off to Battlefield 3 which has positively the most swearing I've ever heard in a video game, ever, anywhere and yet you can't say Damn.

[William Petersen]

pursang, on 04 May 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Halfinax, on 04 May 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

I believe that peer review is a good solution here. Rather than the devs going purely based on what other players say a player did. Basically members of the community can watch a full replay of the battle (including text...maybe voice as well, but since that isn't in at launch it's moot) to see if the offenses actually occured and then report that back via reviewers' poll to the devs on whether or not the offense was real.

I'm sorry, but that sounds like a terrible idea. Not only is it very clunky and non-user-friendly, it allows people to game the system. Want to be a complete ***? No problem! Get a bunch of your friends to review a battle, and bam! You just tarnished the name of that person - likely without them even knowing it.

You realize what Halifex suggested is almost exactly what the Tribunal is in League of Legends, right?

And *duh^, you don't just let players decide what games and whose games/reports/whatever they're going to review.

Punishment is not handed down from one review, but from many. It is not based on a single game, but a case built up over several games (I've only done it once, I think it was usually 5 games at least I could [and did] view).


Now, does LoL's tribunal work that well? I've no idea, I don't really keep up with LoL that much. I only did it once because the IP gain really wasn't worth my time. Now, if it had been a payment of RP, then I might bother more often...

I do like the system, though I think people tend to judge a bit too harshly. /shrugs It's also extremely hard to judge "Feeders" based solely on text. Heck, even game play it can be hard to tell a skillful feeder-troll from someone who's just bad at the game (and there's nothing in the rules that says bad players should be banned...). Similarly, it could be hard (read: impossible) to judge suicide-trolls, or TKers from anything but a replay.


EDIT:

Honestly, though, if they use the WoTs scheme to deal with FF/TK (and most people want more XP/Cash than they get for just running in and dying...), then really all you need is a mute button. If you **** off someone badly enough that they feel compelled to get on *multiple accounts* and talk-smack to you, I strongly suspect the blame lies equally on both parties.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but I'll never let words hurt me. The choice is mine to grant them that power, and I refuse.

Edited by William Petersen, 09 May 2012 - 02:15 AM.

[Outlaw2]

If creating smurf accounts for the purposes of harassment is really that big a problem, then add in an option for players where they can only receive PMs from players on their friends list. The player can revert to normal once they feel the harasser has gotten bored.

Edited by =Outlaw=, 09 May 2012 - 07:22 AM.

[Havoc2]

IMO it would be better to have an easier way to ignore people then try and put all of this responsibility and work on PGI.

Allow players to be muted/ignored by right+clicking on their name in chat and choosing IGNORE.

That way we're not trying to ignore some tool who's name is 3IiT3()n3 or llllllllllllllIIIIllllllll (10 lower case "L" followed by uppercase "i") by trying to type /ignore and guess how to spell their name.

[Zylo]

=Outlaw=, on 09 May 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

If creating smurf accounts for the purposes of harassment is really that big a problem, then add in an option for players where they can only receive PMs from players on their friends list. The player can revert to normal once they feel the harasser has gotten bored.

This could be a good system since it wouldn't create any issues for normal players without harassment problems and it wouldn't waste CS staff time dealing with more harassment reports.

I'd rather see more protective tools like this vs other features that could be abused. I wouldn't be using them myself since I'm not the sensitive type who needs that sort of protection but it could hopefully cut down on the complaints by those who are just too sensitive and probably shouldn't ever be online.

[JokerPW]

To keep ot short:
That Extra Credits video gave all the answers to me. It would be wise for the Devs to follow it too.
And I think is way better to throw away a rotten fruit off the basket before it contaminates any other and keep the basket safe and clean !
So, if anyone shows inappropriate behavior, report him ! With enough reports, he'll be kicked out and our enviroment will remain as good as it is ! =]
[]'s

[JaxChris]

Havoc2, on 09 May 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

IMO it would be better to have an easier way to ignore people then try and put all of this responsibility and work on PGI.

Allow players to be muted/ignored by right+clicking on their name in chat and choosing IGNORE.

That way we're not trying to ignore some tool who's name is 3IiT3()n3 or llllllllllllllIIIIllllllll (10 lower case "L" followed by uppercase "i") by trying to type /ignore and guess how to spell their name.

There you go, a simple and intelligent solution to a minor nuisance. Install some actual VoIP in-game and give an ignore options that blocks chat & speech. This is the easiest way to handle it and maintain a true feature set.

I will say right now, if people can't randomly PUG with built-in VoIP, this will not be their first choice of game to fire up. And it will be a real ***** to install a system that forces you into a match on the same side as your clan mates when you hop in the queue. After all, this game is designed as Free2Play, there won't be clan owned servers that will allow the clans to practice privately or only play on a server that is good ping for them and allows them console access to ensure their mates are all on the same side.

Why do you think people are already flaking out of BF3? The lack of voicecomms in squads is absolutely an unacceptable oversight in any PC game. Anyone caring more about trolls and language more than actual features and gameplay should not own any electronic communication devices. How about you have the courage to tell people in real life to stop acting like douchebags in public before you try to use your anonymity to police the internet? If someone does something stupid in public, put them on the spot and embarass them. They will get angry, they will try to sound all tough, but in public they won't do anything because people are already staring and those are witnesses. That is how you change the world. Stop putting up with people acting like fools on the streets and there won't be emulation of that ridiculous behavior on the internet.

Or do you like to punish the child for the acts of their parents? It amazes me how much people avoid the root problems and only want to address the effects. Are you trying to ensure your job security as a progressive cry baby?

Hey Piranha. Take an adult stance instead of this carebear crap or you will fail to capture any lasting audience with a nerfed game.

[KuroNyra]

Clark, on 26 April 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

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I completly agree with you.

You only need to look at the World of Tank community for see that it's not a big part of lemming's and other stuff now.
But the game is responsable of that situation for the biggest part.


We need to tolerate the new's one, teach them how that game work. Still be open to debate, and not doing like some *****'s like on BF3 or CoD (just look at the community now... :/ It's a disaster!)

[Arcadinal]

I personally think a League of Legends style Tribunal system, at least for dealing with harrasment and trolling would be a very good thing. Placing an option to report a player for harrasment /griefing right in the end-game summary screen would be a good idea as well.

[MaddMaxx]

Given the incoming "Community Warfare" aspect, it seems the best over-all solution would be to make some friends, and put everyone else on the other end of your Pipper.

That way, if any of those on the other side talks smack or says something one finds offensive, teach them the error of their ways with your Machine of Justice and Destruction.

Other than a Mute and Ignore Button, anything else is simply wasted Dev Staff time.