Haakon Valravn, on 29 April 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:
Elohel. Elite Ammunition is a joke. None of their ammunition performs like they say it does when tested by independently berified labs. Did you read my link?
I've concluded the link, to a forum post
I might add, is bollocks. And it doesn't mention EA in any fashion. Nevermind that the instant the fool starts talking about mythological unicorns like "stopping power" or "knockdown power" I tend to lose interest. The only "stopper" is a CNS hit, period. For every tale of "it took umpteen rounds of 5.7" I can point out four such tales of any other caliber. Any round out of any firearm can do its intended job provided the meat between the shoes and the trigger can do its job.
The 5.7 does less damage than a 9mm FMJ. Which is less damage than the 5.56mm.
And yet there's anecdotal evidence of all three failing catastrophically, or more like the aforementioned meat between the shoes and trigger failing catastrophically. Because if they were utilized properly, any of the three would work quite nicely.
Read the article that I linked to.
Did, its anecdotal evidence dressed up to affirm a predetermined conclusion. People use 5.7mm firearms for purposes ranging from pest control, varmints, self defense, feral hog hunting, deer hunting, and police and military applications. And I haven't seen a "It didn't work on x
" tale yet.
Your data is out of date. M855 was designed for use with the 20 inch barrel of the M16A2, true. But M855A1, Mk316 Mod 0 (the former used by the Army, the latter by SOCOM and the Marines), and Mk262 Mod 0/1 (issued to marksmen) are designed for barrels as short as 10.3 inches (covering the Mk18, M4/M4A1, M27, SPR, M16A3/M16A4, SAW, &c.). There are also cartridges available designed solely for the short-barreled 5.56mm carbine. Then there is the 6.8mm SPC and the 300 AAC, both designed for shorter barrels (the 6.8 for 12-16 inch barrels, the 300 for 8-14 inch barrels).
I am well aware of the variety in AR pattern rifle chamberings. I do own a S&W M&P-15T with the stock upper, a 6.5 Grendel upper,and a 7.62x39 upper. As for the short-barrel variants of 5.56x45, they do require different barrels as the normal 1 in 9 twist will not stabilize the heavier projectiles, which require a 1 in 7 twist. And they still do not match the effectiveness of the original 55gr. projectiles fired through a 1 in 8 twist barrel which produced, spectacular results to put it mildly. As for 6.8, it's 6.5 Grendel's weaker cousin, and .300AAC is reinventing the 7.62x39 wheel.
All handhun cartridges are equally puny. (Although they're all equally more capable than the 5.7mm.) Pick one, it is irrelevent which, so long as you go out and get training and put a couple thousand rounds through it every year. The 7.62mm M43 is less versatile than the 5.56mm, but excels it at intermediate barrier penetration.
Any round that doesn't make a CNS hit isn't capable of much except making a mess. It's all about the aforementioned meatbag doing their part, the platform and cartridge is immaterial if said meatbag doesn't do their job.
And for defeating barriers, why go with half-measures?
Edited by Charles Martel, 30 April 2012 - 01:53 PM.