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#41 Nuclear Weapon

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:44 PM

Constructive Post:

I'll give you hints:
- FFS get some skills and do something about you...
- play Hello Kitty Online instead.
- play MW3 solo instead.
- Wait untill devs make more game modes...
- Get into TS and play with a team (even if you have no mic or muted mic).


Now, 3 ppl are more than enough to kick an entire PUG team if they are in voice chat...
Premade vs premate will end this and start the "gauss is OP"/"Streak cat is OP"/Jenner is OP/"LRMs are OP" threads...

WTF do you want ppl? Wanna win? get skills !!!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

View PostSlopey, on 21 November 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

I've played 8 games in a row just now, with a 4 man on TS, and *EVERY* single game has had:

1 pug disconnects immediately (could be a bug)
1 pug runs headlong into the entire opfor and gets wiped out
1 pug hides and does nothing until the end of the match

and on 2 occasions, 1 pug runs out of bounds.

I just don't understand people who don't want to actually *play* the game.

The sooner 8v8 or pre-made matchups come out, the better. Until then, it's just getting pathetic.


We need a new classification for these type players, PuG has become a derogatory term and I am beginning to take offense to this. I play PuG style, I play smart and hard, I do not complain about premade or PuG-stomping, I just choose to Solo drop with random players. There are many Mechwarriors like me.

The idiots that farm the game need a term seperate from Solo players (PuGs), lets call them Derps instead shall we. :(

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:09 PM

View PostRiver McCain, on 21 November 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:


We need a new classification for these type players, PuG has become a derogatory term and I am beginning to take offense to this. I play PuG style, I play smart and hard, I do not complain about premade or PuG-stomping, I just choose to Solo drop with random players. There are many Mechwarriors like me.

The idiots that farm the game need a term seperate from Solo players (PuGs), lets call them Derps instead shall we. :(



I think its just your frustration with other pug players (exactly the same disdain the premade guys have!!), I wouldnt class "pug" as a derogatory term, not all pugs suck. But when players do really stupid stuff... generally they are pugs. Not sure how that is belittling to you when you play well?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:23 PM

Use in-game chat as much as you can. Inform your team that you have a premade.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:30 PM

View PostStreeter, on 21 November 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:



I think its just your frustration with other pug players (exactly the same disdain the premade guys have!!), I wouldnt class "pug" as a derogatory term, not all pugs suck. But when players do really stupid stuff... generally they are pugs. Not sure how that is belittling to you when you play well?



It's kinda like saying" Damn, you pugs suck..oh not you. I mean, yes you're a pug, but you don't suck" It's like saying you have *** friends that are perfectly fine. The fact that the term pug is used to refer to this behavior is what makes it belittling, and why pugs who don't behave this way, really dislike the term.

It's basically now a term of cyber-racism, but not one based on skin color or sexual preference, it's based on drop preference.

if you want to refer to certain behaviors being bad for the game or unpleasurable to you personally, do that, just don't put a label on it that, frankly, lumps a bunch of people in who don't display that behavior.

Edited by Desrtfox, 21 November 2012 - 05:31 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:43 PM

Oh gee, yet another group player blaming all his lost matches on those derned pugs. That's novel. :(

I've had pug matches where no one said a word to one another, and we completely wiped out the other team. I've had matches where we all communicated, and got run into the ground. I've had matches where we all blindly followed the generic "Stick together!" and "Focus fire you guys!" chat commands, and got torn to pieces. I've had matches where we all spread out, and because of that, were able to pin-point the opposing team, reorganize, and pull out a win.

To pug is to step into a random, uncontrolled situation. Either except that, and the possible losses that may follow, or be prepared for a whole boatload of disappointment.

Oh, yeah. And stop with all the generic "Stick together" or whatever suggestions. If all battles could be won with simple, stock, general-purpose ideas, we never would have needed guys Musashi, Sun Tzu, Patton, Rommel, Etc.

And we certainly wouldn't have needed all that practice during the RHOD tournament.....

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

View PostSkinny Pete, on 21 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

Let me start by saying I've read many threads like this and have finally reached my breaking point with the extra four pugs that join my team. Like always, I advise them to stay together, work as a team and tell the scouts to scout and not be a hero.

But of course, my group sticks together, the pugs run off and try to fight their own battles and we end up 4v8. It took me five games in a row. I honestly can't wait until we go to 8v8 premades.

No offense to lone wolves, but it just doesn't jive with how I like to play. To each their own.


If you are losing most games "because of pugs" then the problem is actually you, or your friends, as the opposing team has the same disadvantage.

If you are still winning most games, then what's the problem? It's only fun if you win every game?

#49 TheTrap

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

Personally I tend to just treat the whole thing as a 2v8

The other six are pretty much meatshields.

I do come out with a 80% win ratio though. Will lose 20% to dual premades :(

I'd say it boils down to how much player skill is needed to carry a team. (sorry if I sound elitist)

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:53 PM

View PostDesrtfox, on 21 November 2012 - 05:30 PM, said:



It's kinda like saying" Damn, you pugs suck..oh not you. I mean, yes you're a pug, but you don't suck" It's like saying you have *** friends that are perfectly fine. The fact that the term pug is used to refer to this behavior is what makes it belittling, and why pugs who don't behave this way, really dislike the term.

It's basically now a term of cyber-racism, but not one based on skin color or sexual preference, it's based on drop preference.

if you want to refer to certain behaviors being bad for the game or unpleasurable to you personally, do that, just don't put a label on it that, frankly, lumps a bunch of people in who don't display that behavior.



well the fact they are all pug players doesnt help the cause, whats the "politically correct" term you would like used?

team speak challenged? LOLz

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

Good thing they already stated their plans for matchmaking, making the OP obviously a troll or pure dimwit for feeling the need to make a pointless thread and bash on people for doing their own thing when they are pugs and have no obligation to do anything anyone says.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:59 PM

View PostStreeter, on 21 November 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:



well the fact they are all pug players doesnt help the cause, whats the "politically correct" term you would like used?

team speak challenged? LOLz

You're missing the point, and making mine. The "politically correct" term would be poor players, afkers, suiciders, etc. Even by saying Teamspeak challenged you are lumping us all in. That IS the problem.

Edited by Desrtfox, 21 November 2012 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:02 PM

View PostStreeter, on 21 November 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:




well the fact they are all pug players doesnt help the cause, whats the "politically correct" term you would like used?

team speak challenged? LOLz

Try "Idiots". It about covers it. I am a pugger and I make it my sole purpose now to prove the existence of useful puggers! To end the generalisation of Pugs as brain-dead players.

"I have a dream that one day on the brown hills of Caustic, the sons of former Pugs and the sons of former Premades will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream today!"

Edited by Lt XKalibur, 21 November 2012 - 06:03 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

View PostSkinny Pete, on 21 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

Let me start by saying I've read many threads like this and have finally reached my breaking point with the extra four pugs that join my team. Like always, I advise them to stay together, work as a team and tell the scouts to scout and not be a hero.

But of course, my group sticks together, the pugs run off and try to fight their own battles and we end up 4v8. It took me five games in a row. I honestly can't wait until we go to 8v8 premades.

No offense to lone wolves, but it just doesn't jive with how I like to play. To each their own.


Ya its iiddiiott premades like your group that go around shooting the pugs in the back then ask for there support? Here I have a comment for ya (bbite mmee) and I know this happens because im always arguing with my premade group not to shoot pugs on purpose.

Edited by KingCobra, 21 November 2012 - 06:03 PM.


#55 Moonsavage

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:06 PM

Man i wish they would lock these damn hate threads.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:07 PM

View PostKingCobra, on 21 November 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:


Ya its iiddiiott premades like your group that go around shooting the pugs in the back then ask for there support? Here I have a comment for ya (bbite mmee) and I know this happens because im always arguing with my premade group not to shoot pugs on purpose.


What is this madness you're talking about lol?

View PostMoonsavage, on 21 November 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

Man i wish they would lock these damn hate threads.


My post was quite respectful I think.

#57 Moonsavage

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

Well it's not one side or the other really, both have valid concerns, it's just not doing the community any good is it?

#58 I Just Ate Your Grapes Bro

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

View PostJman5, on 21 November 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

More often than not the premade will move off to some location after communicating via VOIP and then fail to inform their PuG allies. Then they get all in a huff when their pug allies werent glued to the map to notice in time.

If you really want to be successful with PuGs perhaps adapt your play style to their strengths instead of trying to force them to conform to yours. If they are not following you to a coordinate double back and regroup with them. Too many premades refuse to interact with their teams other half.

It sounds like you and your buddies have a plan and you dont give a damn what anyone else wants to do.

Quoted because it bears repeating.....

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

I need to clarify a few things first...

1. Premades were forced to play with pugs. I have never read a thread where premades cried about being stomped by pugs, the opposite is what I read. To be frank about 75% of the time it wasn't even true, as 3 out of 4 times the pugs were facing other pugs. But rather than fixing their broken match making system, pgi listen to the qqing and forced premades to drop in 4s plus pugs. So if anyone has a right to complain about the current state of match making it is the premade players.

2. Premades play the game utilising role warfare, this means that they ran with specific (specialised) mechs that did different tasks. Players depended on their team mates to a much greater extent, and the diversity of the builds in the old 8 man premades reflected this. Role warfare is one of the things that pug group are worst at, how could it be otherwise as they drop randomly. Accordingly, since the 4 + 4 match making has come into effect premade 4s, have had to change to more general mech builds, reducing the game's diversity.

3. Premades were formed, in order that players could communicate. When do you think all the premades were created? Most of them formed or increased when pgi decided to close the mwo beta ts channel. Prior to that a lot of premade player pugged in voip drops. Once pgi removed this the premades were born. Current puggers for some reason do not want to communicate, and refuse any attempt or suggestion that they use voip.

4. In the current game at the end of a match it is the premades players that are in the top 4 slots for xp (score) 9 out of 10 times, we have the most kills, assists and damage output. So whatever you say it is the premades who are carrying the pugs.

5. Do premades lose more games now? To be honest yes, but only by a very small percentage, what is telling, however, is the fact that when playing with pugs we expend more ammo and sustain more damage than we would if we dropped as a full premade of 8.

So now to answer the question...

Yes playing with pugs does ruin the games for premades, because premades are forced to play with pugs, Do pugs ruin the game for other pugs? No why would it.

The question I would ask is do premades make the game better for pugs? On one hand yes because they will win more often but on the other hand no because the premades carry them so they do not improve their game play.

The last thing I will say on this matter (which is something I have said in many posts) is that premades find playing pugs boring and would always prefer playing against other premades.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:31 PM

View PostMoonsavage, on 21 November 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Well it's not one side or the other really, both have valid concerns, it's just not doing the community any good is it?

The game too.

Every time you stomp a group of new players in trials, some of them will go, for ever ...

How many players do this game need, to develop to what it should be and what was promised?

Op, ask the devs how much money they need every month, then divide it by the 10% players playing in premades and you know how much is it for you to play without pugs.





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