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[Iron Harlequin]

What are we talking about?

[Rejarial Galatan]

Oe tse'a ke nga.... wanna know what i said? navilator.com. i promise its clean.

[pursang]

Rejarial Galatan, on 06 May 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

if the Thug has a superior loadout that is NOT achievable with comperable gear to fit the hardpoints of the Awesome, then, absolutely.

but buying mechs with real cash again, is the first step in the pay to win birth process. leave MTs as fluff only. sheesh.

BUT, why am i even bothing to try to debate this. too many full cups...

The AWS-8Q has 3 PPCs and a small laser, the THG-11E has 2 PPCs and 2 SRM-6s. The Awesome has a BV of 1,605, while the Thug has a BV of 1,640. Ladies and gentlemen, this is what some in the MMO community call a "side-grade". Can either 'Mech be called superior over the other? Well I think it would depend on the pilot, now wouldn't it? In theory, those two missile and two energy hardpoints aren't going to confer any clear advantage over the four energy hardpoints in the Awesome. So again, I have to ask - are you paying for an advantage, or are you paying for a slightly different 'Mech?

How is "buying 'Mechs with real cash the first step in the pay to win process"? If PGI do their jobs correctly (and I'm sure they will) you won't be able to buy a 'Mech that would confer any special advantage to someone over other players... i.e. a Timber Wolf in 3049...

[Rejarial Galatan]

i will say this about buying a Timber Wolf via MT, if I can get one for my desk, I am all over that!

[Rejarial Galatan]

Lets see if I can say this with out getting the pitchfork squad and torch squad on me. Starting innocently as you suggest pursang, putting mechs in like that, is how it starts, then, players start to demand specialized items like unique mechs piloted by notable pilots, mechs, that i THINK cannot be duplicated in the mech lab <only a guess for now, will know after the games in my hands this summer>. Then its onto 'golden guns' then 'golden mechs' and so on. Easiest way imho to avoid this, is to keep the games MT store for fluff stuff, paint schemes, mech space, xp boosts <tempary speed boosts on the xp that is> and any other fluff stuff, in game AND out of game, coasters, posters, hats, mugs, mouse pads and so on ya know? I have faith in PGI, but I honestly fear the greed that CAN rear its ugly head if even an inch is given, like in your example pursang.

[Christopher Dayson]

pursang, on 06 May 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

The AWS-8Q has 3 PPCs and a small laser, the THG-11E has 2 PPCs and 2 SRM-6s. The Awesome has a BV of 1,605, while the Thug has a BV of 1,640. Ladies and gentlemen, this is what some in the MMO community call a "side-grade". Can either 'Mech be called superior over the other? Well I think it would depend on the pilot, now wouldn't it? In theory, those two missile and two energy hardpoints aren't going to confer any clear advantage over the four energy hardpoints in the Awesome. So again, I have to ask - are you paying for an advantage, or are you paying for a slightly different 'Mech?

How is "buying 'Mechs with real cash the first step in the pay to win process"? If PGI do their jobs correctly (and I'm sure they will) you won't be able to buy a 'Mech that would confer any special advantage to someone over other players... i.e. a Timber Wolf in 3049...

It's an uphill battle my friend, be prepared for slogging and the cries of 'troll' and 'flamer'. May you be blessed on your journey.

On Topic: I'd prefer them to release them every week or two, as they got them, one at a time rather than as a pack. A pack implies that you buy them together. I dislike that idea because if they packaged a locust with a shadowhawk and a rifleman, I'd only want the locust, shadowhawk and rifleman are not chassis I'd ever play just based on sheer looks.

So, single mech release, as often as they can for me.

[Rejarial Galatan]

My vote was choice 3.

[pursang]

Rejarial Galatan, on 06 May 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Lets see if I can say this with out getting the pitchfork squad and torch squad on me. Starting innocently as you suggest pursang, putting mechs in like that, is how it starts, then, players start to demand specialized items like unique mechs piloted by notable pilots, mechs, that i THINK cannot be duplicated in the mech lab <only a guess for now, will know after the games in my hands this summer>. Then its onto 'golden guns' then 'golden mechs' and so on. Easiest way imho to avoid this, is to keep the games MT store for fluff stuff, paint schemes, mech space, xp boosts <tempary speed boosts on the xp that is> and any other fluff stuff, in game AND out of game, coasters, posters, hats, mugs, mouse pads and so on ya know? I have faith in PGI, but I honestly fear the greed that CAN rear its ugly head if even an inch is given, like in your example pursang.

And which players would that be? Have anyone specific in mind, or group of players perhaps? How many players in your mind, do you think it would take for PGI to capitulate and thus alienate its fan-base? There was a poll in a recent thread (don't have the link, sorry) that asked whether this game should include unique variants (i.e. Butterbee, Prometheus), needless to say the majority of the people who voted voted "no". So I think we're safe in that regard.

Besides, I think the higher-ups at PGI are grown-up enough, and have enough of a love for this franchise to not cave into "peer pressure" in that regard. Maybe not Paul though, you never know with that guy.

[Rejarial Galatan]

The players I speak of are those who know ONLY modding, hacking, cheating and other ways to break systems. I KNOW most players <namely those of us are LONG time fans of BTU know better. I was a "NO" vote on the unique variants thing to, and I remember the thread. As for Paul, I wont speculate on what he is going to do. I will speculate on if hes gonna make those awesome songs hes working on part of the game or not. I think he might, maybe not all of them, but, still.

[Haakon Valravn]

Since we're all repeating the same things over and over again like broken record-players with a men-, er, really bad golf handicap, I shall repeat myself with an addendum:

I think that anything you can buy in game with in game money should be also purchasable with real money. Similarly, anything you can buy with real money, you should be able to buy with in game money. This allows people who do not want to spend time grinding, some of them unable to spend that time grinding, to play with the toys they want, while the people who enjoy grinding or have no available income and plenty of freetime can do likewise with the toys they want. All new content should be free to download: The playground should be free, it's only the toys that should cost time OR money to play with, but you shouldn't have to spend anything to see and play with the other kids' toys.

And I suppose I could see things like fuzzy dice as a real money-only item.

[Rejarial Galatan]

<blinks> did i just find myself oddly agreeing with you Haakon? Maybe not the fuzzy dice... not a fan of things hanging from my mirror, aside from the fact that its distracting as a 2 iron. I feel funny now...

[Vollstrecker]

Rejarial Galatan, on 06 May 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

if the Thug has a superior loadout that is NOT achievable with comperable gear to fit the hardpoints of the Awesome, then, absolutely.

but buying mechs with real cash again, is the first step in the pay to win birth process. leave MTs as fluff only. sheesh.

BUT, why am i even bothing to try to debate this. too many full cups...

I have to ask...

Would you consider having a GTL-3N Guillotine (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Guillotine) available as only in the Marketplace "Pay to Win" if the GHR-5H Grasshopper (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grasshopper) was available via C-Bills?

[Aelos03]

Rejarial Galatan, on 06 May 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Lets see if I can say this with out getting the pitchfork squad and torch squad on me. Starting innocently as you suggest pursang, putting mechs in like that, is how it starts, then, players start to demand specialized items like unique mechs piloted by notable pilots, mechs, that i THINK cannot be duplicated in the mech lab <only a guess for now, will know after the games in my hands this summer>. Then its onto 'golden guns' then 'golden mechs' and so on. Easiest way imho to avoid this, is to keep the games MT store for fluff stuff, paint schemes, mech space, xp boosts <tempary speed boosts on the xp that is> and any other fluff stuff, in game AND out of game, coasters, posters, hats, mugs, mouse pads and so on ya know? I have faith in PGI, but I honestly fear the greed that CAN rear its ugly head if even an inch is given, like in your example pursang.

well we know people wont be able to buy mechs just c-bills and after that they can buy whatever they want.

[Rejarial Galatan]

short answer no.
long: **** no! mostly cuz, well, no.

btw both those mechs IMHO are bloody hideous looking

[Aelos03]

Vollstrecker, on 06 May 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

I have to ask...

Would you consider having a GTL-3N Guillotine (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Guillotine) available as only in the Marketplace "Pay to Win" if the GHR-5H Grasshopper (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Grasshopper) was available via C-Bills?

NO

[Christopher Dayson]

Aelos03, on 06 May 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

NO

Then clearly it is possible to sell mech chassis on marketplace for cash only, and have it not be Pay to Win.

[William Petersen]

Aelos03, on 06 May 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

NO

Why? As long as they both have identical (or nonexistent) unused Hard-Points, what does it matter? The GLT looks goofy and has a larger profile. People would only buy it if they had an irrational love for the chassis, or wanted to flaunt their cash (because when you can't keep up with the Joneses, at least you can keep up with teh internets).

[Kasiagora]

I figure that mechs will be purchasable with RL cash and C-bills. You see it all the time in F2P games where an Atlas costs 2,000 Nuyen or 1m C-bills where 1 Nuyen is equal to X amount of cents. I'm okay with this just as long as the in-game costs aren't so astronomically high as to be unattainable within reason. That's something you see a lot of too in F2P games, but I know our devs are reasonable people. >wink-wink<

[Haakon Valravn]

I feel like having certain chasses as 'pay only' unfairly discriminates against those who either do not have plastic or cannot afford it. Even if the differences are purely cosmetic from a practical standpoint.

And I fully intend to pay cash money for a Marauder.

Edited by Haakon Valravn, 06 May 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

see post 146 in this thread for my opinion why its a NO Petersen.

Now I am scared, I am starting to agree more with Haakon...