57 replies to this topic

[LordDeathStrike]

if you wanna rush my base be my guest. my atlas will be parked in it with a gauss rifle, 2 large lasers, lrm 20s and ams waiting for you to bring it on.

yar the atlas is slow, too slow to be a base rusher, but the perfect chasis to be a defender.

[Rear Admiral]

Zakatak, on 13 May 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

If I were setting up teams...

Defense Lance
2x Atlas (big bruisers)
1x Awesome (no ammo problems)
1x Cicada (border patrol)

Support Lance
3x Catapult (fire support)
1x Raven (target designator)

Attack Lance
Dragon
Centurion
Jenner
Hunchback

this is sexy.

[Iron Harlequin]

Will bases have any automated defenses/npc mechs?

[Kanatta Jing]

Iron Harlequin, on 13 May 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Will bases have any automated defenses/npc mechs?

The Magic 8 ball says "doubtful"

There might be walls and a raised firing platform though.

[FrostPaw]

There is also the option to make flags/bases uncappable for a minimum time when a match starts.

If you can't capture the base for the first 5 minutes of the match, there isn't much point rushing for it.

[Prophanity]

Leave a scout mech back at base with long range radar to bate them in, two powered down assualt mechs to clsoe the noose

[Trevnor]

Yeah, as Zatatak said, a well balanced combat force would be flexible and adaptable enough to avoid such tactics as base rush.

[StrataDragoon]

Vollstrecker, on 13 May 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

If you've got a problem with scouts rushing your base, I'd ask why you don't have anyone guarding it. An assault 'mech will blow holes through a scout with every salvo.

not if the scout know's how to bob and weave

[Carl Wrede]

This should not be a problem at all. Just use the World of Tanks system and you will not have a problem.
Sure it might happen that a few light tanks sneaks through and capps the base but that is really rare.

If you have any kind of defence it should not be a problem, of course if your whole team is stupid and no one even tries to defend the base then you deserve to lose.

Edited by Carl Wrede, 14 May 2012 - 05:36 AM.

[Spoon]

The problem with chromehounds was that it was terribly balanced.
A single fast scout mech with a few piledrivers/bunkerbusters would completely and utterly destroy a base within a minute. Way faster than any heavy hound could react to and way faster than long range arty could.

I very much doubt that MWO will have similar problems.

Edited by Spoon, 14 May 2012 - 03:38 PM.

[Kanatta Jing]

Not a light lance around the outside, but a medium and heavy lance that rushes to the mid point and power downs and waits for the enemy to pass, then power ups and then charge the base.

That is how you'd do it properly.

With everyone powered down in the center of the map waiting for the other team to walk by. But they never do. Because they're powered down and waiting also.

Combat the way it was meant to be fought.

Edited by Kanatta Jing, 14 May 2012 - 03:45 PM.

[Garth Erlam]

Any 'Mech with its back to a wall and high armour defending is pretty scary to a 'light rush.'

The current defense is Cata C1's - JJ's, four medium lasers and much heavier armour than a light means they can strip armour off with LRM's and then mop up with ML's.

[Aegis Kleais]

Yoseful Mallad, on 13 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Having the ability to capture and or take out the enemies base is always one of those game mechanics that can push a lot of people away from a game such as this.

What I mean is (I have said this a few times now) but I used to play Chrome Hounds on XBox 360 and while I played primarily a light scout mech build in that game... after a while, the game became EVERYONE buiding light fast designs just to base rush the other team's base. It really became a bit of an annoyance after a while. Those that wanted to play as a mixed unit with different roles lost most of the time because the other team with nothing but fast lights, could skirt the edge of the map, and come around on your base and take it out very quickly. I hope that something will be done to make sure this game does not turn into just base rushing.

So... how will you handle such an issue if this should happen?

The idea of having at least 2 different win conditions is a SORELY missing feature in a lot of games which helps break the "Tunnel Deathmatch Syndrome".

In short, if everyone leaves their base, send out 2-3 Scouts to ninja cap their base while the rest defend. This will force them to commit to a battle against 9 defenders (not gonna go smoothly) or break off some forces and turn back to deal with the ninja cap.

Especially if a base has a border/wall around it, it actually helps the defenders more than it aids the attackers. If the base defenders declare that the whole team is rushing them, hold out as long as you can and cap their defenseless base.

[GrizzlyViking]

Yoseful Mallad, on 13 May 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Having the ability to capture and or take out the enemies base is always one of those game mechanics that can push a lot of people away from a game such as this.

What I mean is (I have said this a few times now) but I used to play Chrome Hounds on XBox 360 and while I played primarily a light scout mech build in that game... after a while, the game became EVERYONE buiding light fast designs just to base rush the other team's base. It really became a bit of an annoyance after a while. Those that wanted to play as a mixed unit with different roles lost most of the time because the other team with nothing but fast lights, could skirt the edge of the map, and come around on your base and take it out very quickly. I hope that something will be done to make sure this game does not turn into just base rushing.

So... how will you handle such an issue if this should happen?

A defensive lance made up of 2 Assaults with some LBXs and ER LLs and a couple of Heavy Interceptors with the largest engine that will fit and a couple of LBX 10s to chase would turn 12 lights into a Light Mech graveyard.

Edited by GrizzlyViking, 14 May 2012 - 03:55 PM.

[Volthorne]

LordDeathStrike, on 13 May 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

if you wanna rush my base be my guest. my atlas will be parked in it with a gauss rifle, 2 large lasers, lrm 20s and ams waiting for you to bring it on.

yar the atlas is slow, too slow to be a base rusher, but the perfect chasis to be a defender.

So where were you planning on getting the tonnage for all this, plus heatsinks?

[Semyon Drakon]

Forward defence is always a valid and useful tactic, especially with mobile forces.

Consider a modern Tank Squadron. They will very rarely sit static on the defence, instead they will probe forward contact the enemy and attrit them as they withdraw towards thier own positions, using air and arty to further knock around the defending force.

It works the same way here, mix up a force of heavy and medium mechs optimised for fire power and decent speed, push them out behind your scouts. Let your scouts locate the enemy force and start calling the rain while the blocking force manouvres to hit them.

Leave a lance behind until you know you can advance to the enemy base, at this time you detach a scout and a pair of your strikers to guard your base while you advance with your remaining force and take the enemy position.

Easy when you know how and practice.

Semyon

[Aelos03]

put some heavies there and then

[zudukai]

teamwork.

[GrimFist]

Option one - Fortress DropShip "BangKegger" -
Option two - high density mine field with a mix of pressure plated mines for 25 tons and up.
Option three - 32 drunk scotts with nighthawk amor and 2 inferno rounds each plus satchel charges.
Option four - Vinny & Rosario, my Sicilian friends, twins who pilot twin archers.

[Mishfal]

Has it been confirmed whether you only get one life per round in this mode? If that's the case then I doubt people will even bother going for objectives (base defending/attacking) and will instead just go and kill the enemy team. I've seen it happen countless times in many games. Counter Strike is a good example of this. When I used to play it years ago people rarely went for the objectives (planting bomb or rescuing hostages), and just hunted down the other team instead. It pretty much defeated the whole purpose of having objectives in the first place.

I hope that's not how MWO will turn out, because the game will devolve into a glorified team deathmatch.

Edited by Mishfal, 14 May 2012 - 06:10 PM.