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Dev Response To Ecm (In Case You Missed It)


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#1 Roadbuster

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:52 AM

Just a repost of a response from Garth Erlam in this thread:
http://mwomercs.com/...but-ecm-ravens/

View PostGarth Erlam, on 16 January 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

Just to clear THIS thing up, I can assure you 3L Ravens aren't 'almost every Mech' (they actually aren't top 5, if memory serves, for the last 30 days.)

And again on ECM - if you wrote a well-written, well laid out post with a suggestion on the suggestion forums, the designers have seen it. I also collated and included PM's (Though I'd prefer you guys use the suggestions forum! ;)), emails (see PM's) and the like. The total email was about 6 pages in size, with the ECM suggestions being about a page/page and a half (and mostly links.)

We can't just knee-jerk change things though. We play the same game you do, often IN the same games you do, so we've both heard, and seen with our own eyes, what you're talking about. And although my mighty Cicada fears no ECM, I understand that every Mech is different, and has different requirements.

So to sum up - we're on it.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:54 AM

hopefully this will lower the rate of ECM QQ on the forum for... like... what? 30 minutes?

though as an aside, props to Garth and Russ for being a bit more active on the boards... speaking in very general terms about where things are going is a positive thing and should be encouraged

some people will hold you to what you say to the letter, but for a lot of us, just getting an rough update on where things are headed is a great thing

Edited by Apoc1138, 17 January 2013 - 02:56 AM.


#3 Lynette Steffeld

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:55 AM

I predict a Vassago response to this in...

*Dramatic pause*

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:02 AM

It's always reassuring to hear that they're "on it", but I hope they take their anti-knee-jerk stance seriously. ECM only needs minor tweaks. Once the netcode is fixed, the ECM speed-mechs won't be nearly as scary.

Edited by The Cheese, 17 January 2013 - 03:03 AM.


#5 Vassago Rain

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:03 AM

View PostLynette Steffeld, on 17 January 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

I predict a Vassago response to this in...

*Dramatic pause*


I wasn't gonna, but now, I'm contractually bound to.

Posted Image

Come on, step it up.

#6 Flit Asuno

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:04 AM

If garth is repeating some of the sentiments of the devs then I'll take those words with only a grain or two of salt. If he's speaking from personal experience? then I'm going to take it with a entire salt shaker's worth.

This is the same guy who claimed non engine DHS were 1.4 because he claimed to be able to core an atlas in the back with a jenner in 3 seconds.

Edited by Flit Asuno, 17 January 2013 - 03:06 AM.


#7 Inertiaman

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:06 AM

Awesome. They're on it. Super Solid!

I'd be interested to see what five mechs are beating the raven, specifically up until the spider release. Why not just tell us the most popular mechs weekly. That would make a nice dev post in and of itself. I really don't understand the continuous veil over things like that.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:08 AM

great, so glad to see this!!

now lets just wait 3 months to see some changes ;)

#9 Vassago Rain

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:10 AM

View PostInertiaman, on 17 January 2013 - 03:06 AM, said:

Awesome. They're on it. Super Solid!

I'd be interested to see what five mechs are beating the raven, specifically up until the spider release. Why not just tell us the most popular mechs weekly. That would make a nice dev post in and of itself. I really don't understand the continuous veil over things like that.


Stalker 3F. Trial and otherwise.
Atlas double-D.
K2.
A1.
Sanic cents.

Something like that.

#10 Exoth3rmic

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:11 AM

View PostInertiaman, on 17 January 2013 - 03:06 AM, said:

Awesome. They're on it. Super Solid!

I'd be interested to see what five mechs are beating the raven


I suppose you could see what mechs you were playing against and collate it from your own experiences. At the end of the day its irrelevant what the top 5 appearing mechs are if they're not in the matches you are playing (or aren't on the team you're playing against).

Certainly my experience that ravens aren't as prolific as they were. Same with stalkers.

#11 Lynette Steffeld

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:13 AM

View PostVassago Rain, on 17 January 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

I wasn't gonna, but now, I'm contractually bound to. <DEVIANTARTIMAGE> Come on, step it up.


Omgwhy

Being Mechforumwarrior is suffering

#12 Vassago Rain

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:18 AM

View PostLynette Steffeld, on 17 January 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

Omgwhy

Being Mechforumwarrior is suffering


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Is this better?

#13 Inertiaman

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:25 AM

View PostVassago Rain, on 17 January 2013 - 03:10 AM, said:


Stalker 3F. Trial and otherwise.
Atlas double-D.
K2.
A1.
Sanic cents.

Something like that.


Or, let's say we're talking post-tuesday

spider 1 with ecm
spider 2
spider 3
commando with ecm
commando that someone is levelling to make the ecm one better
raven 3L

There is no way the raven chassis was out of the top five last week.

#14 Lynette Steffeld

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:28 AM

My sister and I have a simple past-time known as:

"Press F5 on "Sort by Newest" option on deviantart".

At least that one is actually on a product that sold.

Also y to yu poast sonichu stuff herez

It depressing

View PostInertiaman, on 17 January 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

Or, let's say we're talking post-tuesday spider 1 with ecm spider 2 spider 3 commando with ecm commando that someone is levelling to make the ecm one better raven 3L There is no way the raven chassis was out of the top five last week.


I played a few matches last night, only saw one or two spiders. I've yet to swat one, though. They just derp around reaaaaally quickly.

The Top 5 chassis I've seen are:

Atlas DDC
Cat K2
Cat A1
Raven 3L
Myself

So there.

#15 Vassago Rain

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:31 AM

View PostInertiaman, on 17 January 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:


Or, let's say we're talking post-tuesday

spider 1 with ecm
spider 2
spider 3
commando with ecm
commando that someone is levelling to make the ecm one better
raven 3L

There is no way the raven chassis was out of the top five last week.


I saw more commandos and gimped ravens. The theory, and it's a good one, is that all the 3L ravens already got their XP skills maxed, so people are using spiderfest 2013 to grind easy kills for bad mechs.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:36 AM

Considering how my Ilya has close to 90k EXP I'm not exactly too surprised if people DO try the spider out just for fun. I mean it's not like as if I have any OTHER options.

I've mastered the Atlas, Dragon, AND Cataphract series.

What else would you have me do, run around in a Spider and then jumpjet off a cliff, while firing my MLasers at targets halfway across the map?

...

Exactly.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:36 AM

View PostVassago Rain, on 17 January 2013 - 03:31 AM, said:


I saw more commandos and gimped ravens. The theory, and it's a good one, is that all the 3L ravens already got their XP skills maxed, so people are using spiderfest 2013 to grind easy kills for bad mechs.


Yeah lots of cent. or catap are out there too the last days.

As for me i didnt touch my 3L for weeks by now... more likely the DDC and my stalker.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:39 AM

View PostVassago Rain, on 17 January 2013 - 03:31 AM, said:

The theory, and it's a good one, is that all the 3L ravens already got their XP skills maxed, so people are using spiderfest 2013 to grind easy kills for bad mechs.


Yep, good theory.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:44 AM

View PostInertiaman, on 17 January 2013 - 03:06 AM, said:

I'd be interested to see what five mechs are beating the raven, specifically up until the spider release. Why not just tell us the most popular mechs weekly. That would make a nice dev post in and of itself. I really don't understand the continuous veil over things like that.


Kind of like Manchester City releasing their Opta data for the 11/12 season. Would be cool to be able to dig through all the data for something this complicated. KDRs of specific builds in the hands of specific players in specific circumstances versus other builds. Amounts of damage done by specific weapons, etc., etc.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

View PostLynette Steffeld, on 17 January 2013 - 03:36 AM, said:

Considering how my Ilya has close to 90k EXP I'm not exactly too surprised if people DO try the spider out just for fun. I mean it's not like as if I have any OTHER options.

I've mastered the Atlas, Dragon, AND Cataphract series.

What else would you have me do, run around in a Spider and then jumpjet off a cliff, while firing my MLasers at targets halfway across the map?

...

Exactly.


I have pretty much every single mech I like mastered. Even bought a terrible spider to herpaderp in, while reciting the battletech cartoon.

Spiderfest 2013 is a great success, and will continue until the 2x XP weekend ends.





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