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#381 KKillian

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostRussianWolf, on 25 February 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

casinos feed you free drinks and pipe in extra O2 to keep you feeling good. try again.

most don't have windows so they control the lights and you can't keep track of time.


Not in chicago, maybe down south, but certainly not around here. Also watered down complimentary drinks and being drunk are very different, and no, they will not host an endurance competition. How many poker tournaments go on for 3 days with absolutely no breaks for the players?

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

View PostRussianWolf, on 25 February 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

casinos feed you free drinks and pipe in extra O2 to keep you feeling good. try again.

most don't have windows so they control the lights and you can't keep track of time.


And there are government funded gambling addiction programs for people with gambling problems. Where is the program a guy signs up for when he suffers a stroke because he cant stop playing world of warcraft.

#383 silentD11

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:16 PM

View PostKKillian, on 25 February 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:


The casino wont even let you in if your drunk or in an odd state, let alone host a 72 hour endurance slot machine grind competition, they would know better, thats a lawsuit waiting to happen.


What the hell sort of casino are you going to that doesn't pump you full of booze and do everything humanly possible to keep you there as long as possible. Or are you mistaking getting drunk and tossed out of a Chucky-Cheese at a trailer park kids birthday where the man in the rat costume tossed you all out for a "casino"?

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:43 PM

View PostsilentD11, on 25 February 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:


What the hell sort of casino are you going to that doesn't pump you full of booze and do everything humanly possible to keep you there as long as possible. Or are you mistaking getting drunk and tossed out of a Chucky-Cheese at a trailer park kids birthday where the man in the rat costume tossed you all out for a "casino"?



Oh man, if I had a nickel for every time that happened to me...

#385 Grimlox

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

Here are my suggestions for a similar, but proper tournament:

1) Only allow the tournament participants to play each other with no outside groups mixed in.

2) Take away the grind by putting in some requirement of 25 (or whatever number) of minimum games played and it just ranks you based on your best scoring games. That way someone that does 400 games will probably have a much better and consistent scoring top 25 games than someone that just played 25 total games.

3)Obviously you would need a more accurate scoring system than the points per game that you had. You could probably just add up the match score of the top 25 games and have a tie breaker or some kind like win/loss then if that's a tie you use something like KDR, and if that's a tie as well you use damage dealt and if that's a tie you just make me the winner by default.

Seriously most would agree this is much more fair than the last tournament.

#386 KKillian

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:09 PM

View PostsilentD11, on 25 February 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:


What the hell sort of casino are you going to that doesn't pump you full of booze and do everything humanly possible to keep you there as long as possible. Or are you mistaking getting drunk and tossed out of a Chucky-Cheese at a trailer park kids birthday where the man in the rat costume tossed you all out for a "casino"?

Both of the riverboats in Elgin and Aurora have watered down booze and refuse drunks entry multiple times a night. Regardless, the comparison of this tournament to a casino is moot. If they did have any type of multiple day no rest situation people would DEFINETLY have to sign release forms to enter and even then if a fatality occurs it would be up to a judges ruleing, not a simple piece of paper with a signature on it, that would determine who is responsible. Most companies would avoid this situation entirely as it simply isnt worth the risk.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

View PostBryan Ekman, on 22 February 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:


Games played only accounts for a small percentage of your score. Just enough to reward players who are consistent over a long period.


You mean: "Just enough that all winners have played between 350 and 550 matches in 60 hours."

If you use the commonly accapted average time for a game of 8 minutes, 60 hours are enough time for 450 matches.
In the complete 4x Top 25 there are only very few players with less than 200 games. While most winners have 400-500.

Just hope nobody died of dehydration out there.....

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

View PostKKillian, on 25 February 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Both of the riverboats in Elgin and Aurora have watered down booze and refuse drunks entry multiple times a night. Regardless, the comparison of this tournament to a casino is moot. If they did have any type of multiple day no rest situation people would DEFINETLY have to sign release forms to enter and even then if a fatality occurs it would be up to a judges ruleing, not a simple piece of paper with a signature on it, that would determine who is responsible. Most companies would avoid this situation entirely as it simply isnt worth the risk.



I don't know, I've been going to LAN events for PC gaming since Quake World, and I've played competitive fighters off and on as well. Nearly every weekend long event involved very little sleep (in some cases passing out for a few hours in a cramped hotel room with people screaming and still gaming, in others just passing out at your PC) and most often a fair amount of alcohol, various stimulant drinks that taste like Gummy Bear ****, caffinated gum, and greasy pizza.

By your metric most LANs are a health hazard worthy of having to sign away, but they exist!

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostMr 144, on 25 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:


I'll reinforce that too...It was a crap-shoot for me..either I was OMG uber-awesomesauce, or horribad. Depended entirely on nothing from what I could tell...just the grind. In 'normal' play, if I was fealing antsy, I would take five...then launch. For the tourney however, I'd just launch and go through the motions at times.

And I think we were more than just a bit looney..lol There were matches at the end I'd be staring at someones paint job and forget I'm s'pose to be killing them...stopping mid-brawl to txt chat...tons of crazy stuff...That's what made it fun for me.

I can't stress enough how friendly the leaderboarders were in game. You'd think everyone would be cranky with the grind, but it turned out just the opposite. It was the first time this actually fealt like a real community to me, and I liked it :D

Mr 144


Mr 144!

You are saying how nice everyone on the leader board is when you are the nicest guy out there!! During this weekend I heard from a few people that you were a great person to drop with, super nice, and a good pilot. Keep up being so awesome!

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

View PostRed squirrel, on 25 February 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:


You mean: "Just enough that all winners have played between 350 and 550 matches in 60 hours."

If you use the commonly accapted average time for a game of 8 minutes, 60 hours are enough time for 450 matches.
In the complete 4x Top 25 there are only very few players with less than 200 games. While most winners have 400-500.

Just hope nobody died of dehydration out there.....


8 min for the match. Plus loading, waiting, and so on.

And check my pics of the stats.
Light: Top 8 300+ matches. 3 over 400
Medium: Top 8 300+ matches. 3 over 400 + one over 500.
Heavy: Top 7 300+ matches. 3 of them over 500.
Assault: Top 8 300+ matches. 3 over 400 + 2 even over 500.
And its only 15 in all 4 top 25 with less than 200 matches. And 40 with more than 300 matches. Out of 100 players.


For me its not even understandable how to do 500+ matches in the 3 days. heck, for me even 100 matches in this time is extreme.
But how can someone be this sick do even do it. Starting a match every 7 min for 3 full days without sleep or breaks. Sound more than unreal.
Someone said no one in the top places botted. I really cant belive it. i cant belive some are so stupid (sorry but had to be said) to do it.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

View PostAri Dian, on 25 February 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:


8 min for the match. Plus loading, waiting, and so on.

And check my pics of the stats.
Light: Top 8 300+ matches. 3 over 400
Medium: Top 8 300+ matches. 3 over 400 + one over 500.
Heavy: Top 7 300+ matches. 3 of them over 500.
Assault: Top 8 300+ matches. 3 over 400 + 2 even over 500.
And its only 15 in all 4 top 25 with less than 200 matches. And 40 with more than 300 matches. Out of 100 players.


For me its not even understandable how to do 500+ matches in the 3 days. heck, for me even 100 matches in this time is extreme.
But how can someone be this sick do even do it. Starting a match every 7 min for 3 full days without sleep or breaks. Sound more than unreal.
Someone said no one in the top places botted. I really cant belive it. i cant belive some are so stupid (sorry but had to be said) to do it.


You sleep like this...

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And you consume rebull/bawls/beer like this

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Marathon game sessions like done here aren't terribly uncommon at LANs

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

as a solo player (no friends who play the game) i want to THANK YOU for this tournament.

i almost always finish in the #1 or #2 position at the end of a match and as such there isnt really any recognition for me other than my own personal satisfaction. so a tournament directed at solo droppers is exactly what i wanted and thought i'd never have.

please please please please please dont pay any attention to people whining without reason. yes there are some adjustments that can be made here and there but ive read your posts regarding the reasoning behind everything and they pretty much confirmed what i'd already assumed.

so not only did you give us a tournament which i enjoyed, but you also posted here on the forums explaining various aspects of that.
i commend you for everything.

i sincerely hope there are more tournaments or competitions of some kind aimed at people, like me, who always play by themselves and always do well. not to say i wouldnt play on a team if the opportunity presented itself, but as a working adult i dont take video games as seriously as i used to (and thus dropped out of this endurence race at #15th overall...) i am just still very good at them.

one suggestion i've seen multiple times is the possibility of doing a "best of" format for future tournaments. if something like your top 100 matches were used for the ranking, i could see a lot more people being satisfied. this would allow people who want to play all weekend to do so, but also allow the people who are unable to play that many games have a chance of placing as well.

also, i think with rewards such as banners which are really only cosmetic and not game-changing in any way you could really afford to give them to more than just the top 3 of each bracket. a more generic, but still rewarding, reward given to maybe the top 25/50/100/whatever could give skilled but not best-in-class players more of an incentive to participate or at least be slightly more excited about participating.


again, thank you for delivering a tournament which allows solo players a chance to shine.
i love team games but without a number of gaming friends to play with i always end up having to quit playing them eventually since theres only so far you can go as a solo player. if there are more competitions like these in the future i can definitely see myself sticking with MWO for a long time to come

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:30 PM

Actually I'd like to add some other feedback. After rethinking everything for a day maybe there is way tournaments of this type could be working a lot better.

Actually it's just picking up the idea others had about capping the number of matches. But in a slightly different way.

Have it so that for instance if the tournament goes for the whole weekend only the 20 best macthes you play during the weekend go into the scoring. This way if you are good you can play 20 matches and thats it. But if you feel like it you can play more than that but the sole fact alone that you are playing does add nothing to your score, but only if you actually reach an outcome better than one of your first 20 macthes.

Maybe this could even be expanded to a daily solo ladder: Your best 5 matches per day get scored. And the 3 best placed players will be rewarded some extra CBills.

#394 Henry Pride

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

There are 2 things i feel bad about this tournament in general:
Not the most skilled Pilot won this game, but the one with no real life and family. And some matches were lost/won due the fact that 4man premade groups were still in the same queue as the lone wolf tournament players were...

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:55 PM

View PostGrimlox, on 25 February 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

Here are my suggestions for a similar, but proper tournament:

1) Only allow the tournament participants to play each other with no outside groups mixed in.

2) Take away the grind by putting in some requirement of 25 (or whatever number) of minimum games played and it just ranks you based on your best scoring games. That way someone that does 400 games will probably have a much better and consistent scoring top 25 games than someone that just played 25 total games.

3)Obviously you would need a more accurate scoring system than the points per game that you had. You could probably just add up the match score of the top 25 games and have a tie breaker or some kind like win/loss then if that's a tie you use something like KDR, and if that's a tie as well you use damage dealt and if that's a tie you just make me the winner by default.

Seriously most would agree this is much more fair than the last tournament.


I think there should also be a hard cap of matches, say 100. This makes the tournament about actual skill and not mindless grinding, it also gives people with lives the chance to participate in a 3 day tourney without having to drop non stop for 72 hours just to stay in the game.

It would also reduce the amount of completely senseless brawling going on. If you weren't powerboating this weekend you basically were just fodder.

Mixing this tourney in with the hero/founder CBILL boost was just cruel to those of us who just wanted to make some money over the weekend :-P

Edited by hargneux, 25 February 2013 - 05:56 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:00 PM

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Not the most skilled Pilot won this game, but the one with no real life and family


That's like saying someone who won the gold medal in the olympics isn't the most skilled because someone else in the world exists who's better but couldn't compete because they were busy doing other things. That's such a ridiculous assertion. If you're the best, you put the time and effort into proving it to everyone else.

And again it wasn't completely devoid of skill. I had less matches played than all of the other assault pilots in the top 10. But my score was the highest. So it wasn't entirely based on how many matches you played. My score and relatively low number of games was proof that playing good consistently outperformed suicide farming.

Was the tournament flawed in some ways? Absolutely. But did the people who win deserve it? Absolutely. Stop trying to tear down their accomplishments because of your own failure to compete.

As for future tournaments, I'd like to see a cap of maybe 50-100 matches. Then multiply the average match score by the win/loss percentage and whoever has the highest result wins the tournament.

Edited by Khobai, 25 February 2013 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

I'm going to risk some fire here but after I got past my frustration at my inability to compete in this sort of contest (I had to work 1.5 days of the contest) I'm going to say....

actually pretty cool.

Just call it the 'endurance challenge' and do it again some day. 6 months or so.

Mix it up a bit so that you get more points for actually doing well than just playing, more points for kills in Assault, assists/spotting in lights, damage done in mediums and kills/assists/damage in heavies.

Just because this wasn't a pure skill based tournament doesn't mean it wasn't a hell of a challenge. The people who won this EARNED IT. No question or doubt of it. They also probably picked up more tricks and skills for playing and doing well in MWO that they'll fare far better in future skill-driven tournaments.

Endurance tests are not a bad tournament, next time we'll know what the game is going to be about.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

Overall the tournament was a positive and fruitful experience for me.

My initial goal was to reach Top 25 on the first day.
On the second day I found that Top 10 was actually possible and I did reach that goal too (for 15-30mins LOL!). For the Glory of House LIAO !!!
  • I managed a decent Win Loss ratio.
  • Got to fight and steal tactics against all Top 10 light pilots.
  • Fine tune by build to be the most hardy and deadly possible.
So far my most memorable battle was against Demon Guard and his Atlas.



Last man standing in my Raven and against a Stalker and an Atlas guarding their Base.
The moment I managed to take down the unarmoured PPC stalker when it was trying to cap base alone, I knew it was Checkmate!
Score is 7 to 6 in Assault. It was either victory by timeout or his base being capped.
It ended with a timeout victory for me with me stealthy watching his Atlas from a distance in my banged up Raven.
It just shows that MWO is also a battle of witts and guts. Not just "KILL! KILL! KILL!!" as my annoying (dead) pugs teammates would want.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:02 PM

Apologies for not reading the whole thread. I approached the forum the same way as the tournament ;) Just couldn't put the hours in ;)

I'd just want to say thanks for the event. It was deeply flawed but still enjoyable. Without going into formulas etc I'd like to add another vote to the please cap the number of matches basket. I managed over 50 drops this weekend. Nowhere near being able to place and feeling a bit disappointed that I wouldn't get to see a realistic view of how good or bad I did. I'd never win a purely skill based event or an endurance type event so I don't feel cheated. Just curious.

I'd love to participate (casually) in more tournaments. Hopefully they will be based on a certain number of games. Hopefully not your best 50 number of games over a 64 hour period, but you first 50 (or whatever number). The moment you make any (however small) bonus for number of games played you will skew the results towards quantity.

My hat off to the players who participated and who managed to place. I fought some of you and those pilots I can remember certainly didn't play badly (compared to me).

Thanks PGI for the event, the c-bill bonus and for creating an MWO game. I played in EA's Btech (or whatever it was called) way back in the late 90s (I believe) and have really missed stomping around online in giant machines.

And I get to play my 3L cause I bought it before ECM and had my *** handed to me on a regular basis by the OP jenners B)

glhf all!

Edited by Selbatrim, 25 February 2013 - 07:17 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:47 PM

Tourney should be entirely rate based, not a grind. Number of matches should have zero impact, other than to your average rating in various metrics (hit percentage, percent of damage in a match dealt by you, win/loss ratio, etc). Accumulating points per match just encourages poopsocking, not quality play.

It was amusing for a short while, but the standings mean next to nothing because they're additive so I quickly lost interest.

Edited by Phoenix182, 25 February 2013 - 10:49 PM.






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