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[Sixart]

Wrenchfarm, on 12 April 2013 - 05:09 AM, said:

Nice to run into the SPD evangelist himself and test my jump jetting metal

the evangelist! You must have seen me~

[Regrets]

One Medic Army, on 12 April 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

If a 2D beats a 3L, it's either due to a large difference in skill, or the fact the Raven player couldn't hit the broad side of a stationary Awesome with his lasers.

Have you tried it? The rest of the mandos are trash but this one is good, I swear.

[Randomerlight]

Elizander, on 07 April 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

That being said, I'll take any light mech mech with 4 energy hardpoints (preferrably arms) over ECM any day.

Raven 2X. Almost as fast as a 3L, heavily armored, 3 MLs, 1 ER Laser, and a streak to keep other streaked lights from thinking I'm too worth it. I'm probably the only advocate of it, but it's my favorite and kicks the 3L's butt any day of the week.

[One Medic Army]

Regrets, on 12 April 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

Have you tried it? The rest of the mandos are trash but this one is good, I swear.

Simple mechanics, plus I (to my everlasting shame) have a Raven-3L.
I also have Jenners, and do not fear the 2D in them.

Commando:
3 SSRMs
1 Energy
Takes more splash damage due to smaller hitboxes.
Less armor

Raven:
2 SSRMs
3 Energy
More armor

If it was just the SSRMs then the 2D would win, however the Raven also gets 3x the medium lasers and that tips the scale, moreso now that streaks are weaker.

[Sixart]

Randomerlight, on 12 April 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

Raven 2X. Almost as fast as a 3L, heavily armored, 3 MLs, 1 ER Laser, and a streak to keep other streaked lights from thinking I'm too worth it. I'm probably the only advocate of it, but it's my favorite and kicks the 3L's butt any day of the week.

Give this man a medal!

[Noob Weapons]

I pilot a decent amount of lights, and each (of the top variants) has a good role:
Com 2D: Great at filing in and out of fights, and with 3 streaks is wonderful for murdering other light mech. This variant falls behind however when it comes to fighting larger mech, as it lacks the stopping power and precision damage of other lights.

SDR 5D: Amazing maneuverability combined with ECM ability. This mech is great at circling a larger mech to death and keeping off radar long enough to do so. The three laser hardpoints make it good for fighting heavy mech, and the jumpjets give it the maneuverability to slip in and out of fights quickly. This mech has a few problems fighting other lights, but is unfazed by those without the ECM to use their streaks.

JR7 D/F: Great maneuverability, best speed in the game, jumpjets, 6 weapon hardpoints. This mech is almost the best light mech out there except for one thing that makes it lose fights to almost every other light: It has no ECM. Streaks are the death of this mech, it loses almost every fight against a light with streak capability. However, when it comes to fighting mech three times its size, this is the winner. My jenner has murdered countless Jagermech, Cataphract, Atlas, and Stalkers because of its ability to stay out of the killbox of larger mech and use its 30 damage alpha strike without receiving return fire.

RVN 3L: Considered by most to be one of the best light mech. This mech is a perfect balance of armor and weaponry, combining three medium lasers for killing heavies and two streaks for brawling lights. The ECM makes sure its streaks are always active, and its armor makes sure that it can take more hits than any other light. The only conceivable downside is having no jumpjets, but for most this is an easy tradeoff for the other benefits.


I'm not sure I can pick which light is 'best' among these, but it is my personal opinion that the commando is the weakest among them (as the raven can pack almost as many missiles with nearly double the armor). I am personally enjoying the jenner the most, and am dealing an average of 450 damage per match in either variant. The only light I do not own is the spider, so take anything I say about it with a grain of salt, but I have dropped with many good spider pilots who take great advantage of its additional jumpjets.

[Randomerlight]

I personally enjoy rolling with lights that A. don't rely on streaks and B. dont have ECM.

IMO, both of those make you a lazy pilot. Not actually lazy (I'm not picking a fight when I say this), but lazy in terms of skill level. You become more ignorant of LRMs, other streaks, and work less on your aim when you're just mashing away at that streak fire button. You can lay claim that you're just playing the way it's meant to be played, but I'm not so sure. I got waaaay better at my 3L only after I quit using it, because I prefer the 2X and it requires to me, you know, actually think about how I'm going to stay alive while completing my objectives, which is the mark of a good light pilot.

[Thundercles]

All I know, is when I'm in my Spider D, it's like someone flips a switch and "Eastbound and Down" starts looping in my head.

[DegeneratePervert]

As long as Streak missiles are available to ECM pilots, the heaviest tonnage while offering both ecm and streaks will be the best. If the Jenner had ECM, it would be top dog. I'd wager that if there was an ECM Spider variant that offered 3x streak ports, it would be the best.

[Sixart]

DegeneratePervert, on 15 April 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

As long as Streak missiles are available to ECM pilots, the heaviest tonnage while offering both ecm and streaks will be the best. If the Jenner had ECM, it would be top dog. I'd wager that if there was an ECM Spider variant that offered 3x streak ports, it would be the best.

That's exactly what a degenerate pervert like you would say. Streaks are an abomination, and I shudder to think of the day when SSRM6's are available to players. ERPPC has more utility and function and sexiness factor.

[Sixart]

I don't want to beat a dead bird, but just watch this:

[Ravennus]

Sixart, on 22 April 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

I don't want to beat a dead bird, but just watch this:

That was an awesome video Sixart!

I knew a Spider, especially a PPC spider, has this potential. Amazing to see it in action.
You are great with those jump jets!

Speaking of... how many JJ do you have on that 5D?

Edited by Ravennus, 22 April 2013 - 07:52 PM.

[William Mountbank]

I also drop in an ERPPC 5D, and what I like about it is the vast range of tactical options it offers. It's pants against anything less than 45t, or at least I am piloting it, but so much fun against assaults. Its my favorite mech, but in my matches I see Ravens that still regularly do 700+ damage, and I only manage over 400 when I'm lucky.
I'd love to drop wolf pack style with a couple of other PPC 5Ds when we go 12 v 12.

[Cato Phoenix]

The Spider 5D is underrated. The thing is massively hard to hit as its small and goes blazingly fast. The Raven 3L had its top-dog spot because of the massive overpowering factor of streaks + ecm. Now hit state and streak nerfs have come in, dropping raven's ability to dominate -any- mech they come up against.

They will, however, have an edge over other lights, but are probably easier to hit and so suffer against enemy heavies.

[ElLocoMarko]

I watched a friendly Raven pilot the other day. It was getting streak locks almost instantaneously. Was that modules or beagle... both? Just curious.

[Vallyn]

Not so afraid of the Raven 3L anymore, though in groups they make short work of my jenner.

The 2D is still annoying with all those streaks but unless the pilot is very competant they lack the concentrated firepower a jenner can put out (except the Deaths Knell, those can be dangerous), but really the 3L has been much less scary since the hit box fix.

As for the Spider, its definately got some hit box issues - in my Jenner F I can burn all six lasers at its knees and still manage to have the upper torso and arms flash with armour loss, even those the Spider is doing nothing but running in a line away from me (yea, terrible pilot). Spiders by far have the same issue the Raven use to - you could hit it dead on and get damage transfer to almost any other place on the mech as well, which is giving it some exceptional survivability.

Jenners are as they always are - excellent all around, but with giant hit boxes. Best to use the jump jets they have for manueaverability. It's the one thing they have over the Raven at least, and can let you avoid their streaks and lasers.

[Zerberus]

Pando, on 07 April 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

Just wait for collisions You'll see a huge drop in light pilots...period.

Good light pilots don`t leghump, the rest are already useless fragbait for the assaults.

[FrostCollar]

Randomerlight, on 12 April 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

Raven 2X. Almost as fast as a 3L, heavily armored, 3 MLs, 1 ER Laser, and a streak to keep other streaked lights from thinking I'm too worth it. I'm probably the only advocate of it, but it's my favorite and kicks the 3L's butt any day of the week.

The Jenner can do anything the 2X can do but better. Jenner-K has the same hardpoints but in better positions. It also has jump jets and a higher engine cap. The D adds another missile slot too, and the F loads up on energy hardpoints instead. Any are a better choice.

The 2X was the first mech I played in the closed beta, and it desperately needs some sort of buff.

[Kamelkaze]

Thats my hitlist:

1. Spider 5D
2. Raven 4x
3. Jenner F
4. Raven 3L

[FrostCollar]

Kamelkaze, on 29 April 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Thats my hitlist:

1. Spider 5D
2. Raven 4x
3. Jenner F
4. Raven 3L

What's the Raven-4X doing on that list? There are two types of Raven-4X builds:

• Inferior. The classic example is the stock one. If you like MLs and SRMs, there's a world of better options. If you like both, the Jenner is that way.
  
• Amusing yet slow. AC20 Ravens, Gaussravens, 2PPC minitarts, etc.

Neither is something I'd consider particularly hateable.

The Jenner-F is quite comparatively powerful right now due to the current state of missiles. Once their damage gets tweaked back up, it won't be such a problem.

As for the Spider 5D and 3L - both have ECM. That's pretty self-explanitory.