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[Victor Morson]

All Maps: Follow the Leader

Just because someone is at the front of a formation, if they've not said anything or expressed not plan, odds are having the whole group follow them isn't going to end well.

Comedy Option to get your team killed: The TAG Rave

A hidden update in the last patch, the TAG is now very very bright and noticeable. Wait until you get on a dark map, then trail the main body in a 'mech equipped with multiple TAGs, putting on a laser light show that the whole map can see. Doubly terrible on a map like Terra Therma!

(Don't do this.)

Edited by Victor Morson, 16 August 2013 - 10:18 PM.

[TripleEhBeef]

If you're piloting a medium and not using cover (buildings, geography, assault mechs etc), you will die. You will live if you do this, since you can present a much smaller target than heavies or assaults. And while a lone medium will be swarmed when out of cover or alone, you'll pretty much be ignored if you're fighting from cover when there are assaults and heavies on the field. Had a great game on Alpine by using the city buildings defending the high base. 850 dmg and 5 kills in a TBT 7K. Fried a bunch of big guys who were charging up in the open and focusing on heavies and assaults.

If you park a ****** assault mech four feet behind a friendly who just stepped out of cover to spot or fire a shot, your team mate will die. Happens to me more times than I can count. I lean out, fire a quick shot, and try to hop back into cover only to take one step because an Atlas decided it really likes the spot I was just standing in. Then I get cored by 20 PPCs.

Edited by TripleEhBeef, 17 August 2013 - 07:49 AM.

[NineTails]

Victor Morson, on 16 August 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

All Maps: Follow the Leader

Just because someone is at the front of a formation, if they've not said anything or expressed not plan, odds are having the whole group follow them isn't going to end well.

it's a sad fact of life that at the start of many drops, one must decide if A: one is going to follow the leader (who may or may not be brain damaged) or B: go to the strategically correct location, alone if necessary. Sadly, seven brain damaged lemmings and one good player usually get more accomplished than one good player alone and outnumbered.

Of course, that perspective may be strongly influenced by my usual use of an AS7-D-DC. Where I go at the start of the game is going to be a big part of who and where I fight. A solo AS7 is a sad thing.

[Johnny Marek Summers]

The thing is a lot of advice that new players get is 'follow the Atlas/ assault' or 'stick with the ecm.' So unless they spent a lot of time on the forums, the new guy isn't going to know who to follow, and that leads to lemming-hood.

[Reslin]

I think it would also help if people post screens with "optimal paths." rather than just telling people where "not to go." most people are better at learning through visual representation.

[OneEyed Jack]

Bookmarked, so I can reference it to others.

I don't necessarily agree with all of your tactical points, but the Impending Doom section was really spot on.

[Edit: And now linked in my sig]

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 24 August 2013 - 05:38 AM.

[Caswallon]

Petition for a sticky seconded! Not perfect but damn good! Well done OP.

[NRP]

Johnny Marek Summers, on 17 August 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

The thing is a lot of advice that new players get is 'follow the Atlas/ assault' or 'stick with the ecm.' So unless they spent a lot of time on the forums, the new guy isn't going to know who to follow, and that leads to lemming-hood.

To be honest, if you don't know what the hell you're doing, following the group (or even the biggest mech) is what you should be doing.

[Kjudoon]

Tactics and patches are changing some of this from when the OP wrote it. That aside most of it made me go:

[Blurry]

Have you ever looked at the glass and think I have dunk too much and that will be too much? but do it anyway?
Have you ever looked at the plate of food and thought I am full but finished off anyway?

what happened - what expected. - blasto and all over the floor.

We are pugs - we defy logic and if we were assured a win before we find a way to lose. Like the glass of booze we know not to conga line behind everyone into a choke point or block someone from backing up - but we just goto see what be going on!

We be pugs. It is a pugs life to do wrong and be a mess. we know it is wrong and we will pay for it shortly but we have to.We may try hard but not be right be we be full of fun.

we dont listen and we dont care we be pugs. It is the shame of life and the one glass too many.

The ideas are good but remember people sometimes just want to have fun and see what is going on or just may be new. Winning isnt always the most important thing. That is the pug life and the shame of life. goto get a bike and paint it red. because reasons!

[Elyam]

Stargate? Interesting take...I suppose it does sort of look that way...but understand, that sort of technology is not in the BT universe.

That big ring is part of the internal structural skeleton of a massive ovoid- type dropship - possibly Union or Overlord class - that crashed to the surface sometime during the Succession Wars. Other parts are strewn about the area, though most of it is underground, scavenged, or pulverized. Look dropships up at Sarna.net for detaills
Good guide!

EDIT: Ah, I thought the official map description had mentioned the dropship class: it's a Mammoth cargo dropship. http://mwomercs.com/...urmaline-desert.

You can see what a basic large ovoid-type (not the Mammoth, but likely a Fortress) looks like while still intact in the MWO website background picture at the upper-left - it's the huge ship in burn-descent to the surface in the distance behind the battle. It's just to the 2 o'clock position from the Catapult firing missiles from the hill.

Edited by Elyam, 06 December 2013 - 09:28 AM.

[Barrett]

#36 - If more than one player disconnects at the start of the game
#37 - Players announcing that they are LRM boats
#38 - Players taking command and then relinquishing comand after issueing orders halfway into the game
#39 - "How do you selct weapon groups?"
#40 - "Is this a new map?"

Then, Sir, your life is forfeit and thou shalt suffer from blood loss in your ****** cavity.

[Neput Z34]

Here is a rather noob freindly explanation for most maps: When in doubt*, go right*.
1st * Doubt = Absence of a AS7-DDC
2nd* Right Exeptions being Forest Colony were right would be water and etc.

[Wrathful-Khan]

The enemy has been suppressed and are cowering behind cover, just ripe to be rushed by the heavy/assault guys. Instead, 2 Altai, 1 highlander, and 2 cataphracts stand in a blob behind the AC-2 Jager just waiting.... and waiting.

Really? You want the guy with the XL and long range support guns (a second row mech) to take point? Really?

Grow a set and soak up some damage so the support elements can bring the pain.

[Fang01]

TripleEhBeef, on 17 August 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

If you're piloting a medium and not using cover (buildings, geography, assault mechs etc), you will die. You will live if you do this, since you can present a much smaller target than heavies or assaults. And while a lone medium will be swarmed when out of cover or alone, you'll pretty much be ignored if you're fighting from cover when there are assaults and heavies on the field. Had a great game on Alpine by using the city buildings defending the high base. 850 dmg and 5 kills in a TBT 7K. Fried a bunch of big guys who were charging up in the open and focusing on heavies and assaults.

If you park a ****** assault mech four feet behind a friendly who just stepped out of cover to spot or fire a shot, your team mate will die. Happens to me more times than I can count. I lean out, fire a quick shot, and try to hop back into cover only to take one step because an Atlas decided it really likes the spot I was just standing in. Then I get cored by 20 PPCs.

THIS THIS THIS. Do not stand behind the point man. EVER

[Atlai]

Indiandream, on 10 December 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

The enemy has been suppressed and are cowering behind cover, just ripe to be rushed by the heavy/assault guys. Instead, 2 Altai, 1 highlander, and 2 cataphracts stand in a blob behind the AC-2 Jager just waiting.... and waiting.

Really? You want the guy with the XL and long range support guns (a second row mech) to take point? Really?

Grow a set and soak up some damage so the support elements can bring the pain.

Like for proper use of improper plural.

Hail Atlai!

[Wrathful-Khan]

Mason West, on 10 December 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Like for proper use of improper plural.

Hail Atlai!

Should Cataphracts be Cataphractoi?

[Namerof]

TripleEhBeef, on 17 August 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

If you're piloting a medium and not using cover (buildings, geography, assault mechs etc), you will die. You will live if you do this, since you can present a much smaller target than heavies or assaults. And while a lone medium will be swarmed when out of cover or alone, you'll pretty much be ignored if you're fighting from cover when there are assaults and heavies on the field. Had a great game on Alpine by using the city buildings defending the high base. 850 dmg and 5 kills in a TBT 7K. Fried a bunch of big guys who were charging up in the open and focusing on heavies and assaults.

If you park a ****** assault mech four feet behind a friendly who just stepped out of cover to spot or fire a shot, your team mate will die. Happens to me more times than I can count. I lean out, fire a quick shot, and try to hop back into cover only to take one step because an Atlas decided it really likes the spot I was just standing in. Then I get cored by 20 PPCs.

As someone that almost exclusively pilots mediums/mechs that behave like mediums, I feel your pain. When this happens, I turn and start alphaing the ******* that did it. Hopefully, that same ******* gets the kill, as that puts him negative in the wallet with a horribly weaker mech, as well as giving the enemy team less c-bills and exp for damage done to you. When they ask, "WHY DID YOU DO DAT I NO UNDERSTAND?!" and then you reply, "You blocked me out in the open as the point." This event literally occurred no less than 14 times just yesterday, with three of the most memorable responses being, "Bi***, you ran into me!" "You don't tell me how to play!" and, "How was I supposed to know you wanted to come backwards into cover?"

If someone has to explain any of those to you, you're too stupid to deserve a win. That's not even noob status--that's just abject retardation. Also, while they may not be able to grasp such a higher thought concept like "dont block people out in the open" (yes, that was indeed sarcasm on the internet), they do tend to understand getting alpha'd 2-3 times in the face. If enough of you take similar action, while there may be more losses initially, they'll probably take the hint that if they don't want to be alpha'd for blocking you out, they shouldn't block you out.

Everything else is just positive reinforcement of the habit.

[Namerof]

Indiandream, on 10 December 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

Should Cataphracts be Cataphractoi?

No, it's Cataphracti, like Cacti, which is rather fitting as most tend to be green and have many ******. The difference being, however, is that a Cataphract's ****** are on the inside.

[Wrathful-Khan]

Cataphractuses