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[xZaOx]

Why not have a small screen on the bottom left of your hud that shows your mech in 3PV that is transparent and also shows you the terrain. This way you can see what way your mech is facing and if you're stuck on something.

Kind of like the attached image, though it shows the enemy mech and not yours. This way we keep 1st person view, but helping out new players figure out which way they are facing and what they are stuck on. No advantage in play.

[Sadist Cain]

I seriously worry about anyone who wants 3pv driving a car...

[coolcook007]

90% of the forum community doesn't want third person in any way.

[Ryokens leap]

The solution to 3pv is to sh*t can it 4 ever. If 12 year old console gamers can't handle the cockpit view then good riddance.

[xZaOx]

But if we are forced to have it and it helps new players, at least you're still in first person perspective, and you have a small 1" square that shows your mech in 3rd person. And your car only has 1 axis that turns, and i think 90% people to play racing games play them in 3rd person.

I'm 100% for 1st person only, but if there is no choice and they want to help new players, I think this is the best solution.

[Inconspicuous]

xZaOx, on 16 June 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

But if we are forced to have it and it helps new players, at least you're still in first person perspective, and you have a small 1" square that shows your mech in 3rd person. And your car only has 1 axis that turns, and i think 90% people to play racing games play them in 3rd person.

I'm 100% for 1st person only, but if there is no choice and they want to help new players, I think this is the best solution.

I absolutely think an in-game tutorial mode would be a better solution.

[LordBraxton]

they are spitting in the face of fans

to try and attract new players

this is just bad business sense

one in hand is worth 2 at theta

in this case PGI is just going to lose customers

[Fabe]

xZaOx, on 15 June 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

Why not have a small screen on the bottom left of your hud that shows your mech in 3PV that is transparent and also shows you the terrain. This way you can see what way your mech is facing and if you're stuck on something.

Kind of like the attached image, though it shows the enemy mech and not yours. This way we keep 1st person view, but helping out new players figure out which way they are facing and what they are stuck on. No advantage in play.

A nice idea but the cryengine's inability to render two scenes at the same time with out performance issues prevents it from being a ideal solution.

[ArmandTulsen]

Ryokens leap, on 16 June 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

The solution to 3pv is to sh*t can it 4 ever. If 12 year old console gamers can't handle the cockpit view then good riddance.

Exactly. The best solution is to not introduce it in the first place.

[Duncan Jr Fischer]

OMG, they keep saying 3pv can help new players!
Oh, come on! Who ARE those players in this case? What have these 'new players' been playing before MWO? Casual racing games, Mario Cart? 3pv won't help them. 3rd person shooters? MWO bears no resemblance to that genre too, there's no way external camera can help in adaptation. Then what? Mech Assault? For the love of Blake, MWO is DIFFERENT, it's not an arcade, where you can handle all shooting stuff with your peripheral vision while watching down your mech's figure! It's much more demanding and has a really cool hardcore feel to it.
Even pretty easily controlled first person shooters like Quake, Unreal, Battlefield, whatever - nobody plays them in 3pv! Why should we have 3pv here? Why would you harass the players with it? There's no logic in that.

As soon as you make 3pv, those 3 or 4 lame schoolchildren who you are doing this for, they will whine that moving and shooting in 3pv is even harder than 1pv. And then you'll casualize the game, make it arcade to please them? Why? Maybe you should have called this game mech assault from the beginning? You gave the word for 1pv only and you are breaking it, just as many other words. Keep up doing that with your core community, and see how more broken promises it will tolerate.

Edited by Duncan Jr Fischer, 16 June 2013 - 10:09 PM.

[ArmandTulsen]

Duncan Jr Fischer, on 16 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

You gave the word for 1pv only and you are breaking it, just as many other words. Keep up doing that with your core community, and see how more broken promises it will tolerate.

Here's the quote to serve as a reminder. Not a "promise," if you want to nitpick, but what do hell do you call this?

"Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions." -Paul

Edited by ArmandTulsen, 16 June 2013 - 10:38 PM.

[Alex Warden]

Ryokens leap, on 16 June 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

The solution to 3pv is to sh*t can it 4 ever. If 12 year old console gamers can't handle the cockpit view then good riddance.

i´d agree with this... but the real reason for 3rdPV isn´t the "difficulty of driving a mech" (what a joke)..

it´s the "OH GOD, this basic green is indeed ugly, i guess i´ll have to buy some colours now that i can see my mech"...

[BigMekkUrDakka]

Alex Warden, on 16 June 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

i´d agree with this... but the real reason for 3rdPV isn´t the "difficulty of driving a mech" (what a joke)..

it´s the "OH GOD, this basic green is indeed ugly, i guess i´ll have to buy some colours now that i can see my mech"...

YES! bullseye! now i know WHY pgi doing this to us! we MUST buy more paints to stop 3pv coming
made my day thank you

[Dexion]

A part of me doesnt want to admit it.... But I honestly think thats a huge part of it.

[xZaOx]

Fabe, on 16 June 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

A nice idea but the cryengine's inability to render two scenes at the same time with out performance issues prevents it from being a ideal solution.

Wow someone who actually read the post, and not just went on a blind rant about 3PV. My hats off to you!

[hammerreborn]

ArmandTulsen, on 16 June 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Here's the quote to serve as a reminder. Not a "promise," if you want to nitpick, but what do hell do you call this?

"Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions." -Paul

Would you like the quote this post in full, especially the last two sentences. I think you'll be in for a pleasant surprise.

HAHAHAH J/K you won't. Only one person has ever admitted they were wrong about that "promise" no matter how many times I need to quote, bold, underline, and 48 pt font it.

Fabe, on 16 June 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

A nice idea but the cryengine's inability to render two scenes at the same time with out performance issues prevents it from being a ideal solution.

I'm going to go with this. Advanced zoom fails because of the same reason, no reason to believe that this wouldn't cause the same issues. I think they've also said this is the reason we don't have other monitors showing stuff.

[Fabe]

xZaOx, on 17 June 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

Wow someone who actually read the post, and not just went on a blind rant about 3PV. My hats off to you!

Thank you. Your idea is a good one and has some merit and I'm starting to wounder if it would work if it was limited to a simple wire frame model of your mech and the terrain immediately surrounding it,that might be something the cryengine can handle with out getting a slide show frame rate. Also enemy units should never appear on this screen,not even as upgrade.

P.S Your attached image is not opening for me could maybe repost it as a image link. If others are having the same problem then maybe being able to see what you are talking about might help them understand what you mean.

Edited by Fabe, 17 June 2013 - 01:52 PM.

[Alex Warden]

hammerreborn, on 17 June 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I'm going to go with this. Advanced zoom fails because of the same reason, no reason to believe that this wouldn't cause the same issues. I think they've also said this is the reason we don't have other monitors showing stuff.

with the suggestion in the OP there is another,more serious problem within the engine... advanced zoom renders the SAME picture you see twice - merely a performance issue... the "rearview camera" would have to render another DIFFERENT scene... and the engine can´t do that, as far as PGI stated... for that reason a racing game with this engine wouldn´t be able to have mirrors strange?but it stands written

Edited by Alex Warden, 17 June 2013 - 02:02 PM.

[xZaOx]

My image just shows the size/location of a small visual. It shows an enemy mech, but instead it could show your mech + terrain. It could be wire frame and not use a ton of resources. New players could see how they are facing, and if they are stuck on anything.


Link if image isnt showing up:

http://www.i4design....ctureId=5479123

Edited by xZaOx, 17 June 2013 - 08:53 PM.

[hammerreborn]

xZaOx, on 17 June 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

My image just shows the size/location of a small visual. It shows an enemy mech, but instead it could show your mech + terrain. It could be wire frame and not use a ton of resources. New players could see how they are facing, and if they are stuck on anything.


Link if image isnt showing up:

http://www.i4design....ctureId=5479123

Different engine. Despite its purdyness, Cryengine is possibly the worst engine PGI could have picked to implement any of those things. I'm not a coder or anything, but there's plenty of people and even the devs that say that PiP just isn't supported, and all the netcode disasters that occured from going server authorative and the high speeds of lights.