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Posted 29 October 2013 - 08:01 AM

View PostMarack Drock, on 28 October 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

True. But Mad Dog is lacking in much more armor than a Timber Wolf has the same ultimate abilities as a Mad Dog plus the ability to brawl with the assaults, and run with medium mechs. He is ,all around, probably one of the most technologicly superior mechs in the entire BT franchise. Also Mad Dog lacks the ability to use those LRMs at close range making his only defense the Lasers which won't challenge an I.S. Atlas' armor or guass rifle and Autocannons.

Clan LRMs have no minimum range restrictions.

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 06:42 PM

Timberwolf and Direwolf a close second.

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

I bid... Supernova?

>_>

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 29 October 2013 - 07:55 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 09:45 PM

Since they're both 5/8 omnis and the timberwolf has more pod space and armor I choose the Timberwolf.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:19 AM

Why not both? ... and a Summoner

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 01:03 AM

Mad Wolf, followed by Timber Dog.

Edited by Appogee, 30 October 2013 - 01:03 AM.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:44 AM

Mad dog because it can provide tremendous support at it's tonnage and the weight of your drop is less so where it's lighter than the timber wolf one of your lancemates gets a tonnage upgrade.

Think of where you have a timber wolf and a warhawk for the same weight you can have a mad dog and a dire wolf.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:53 AM

Oh yes, i was forgetting. With tonnage limitations you will need lighter 'Mechs in a premade. This is why the Mad Dog may be useful in MWO :P

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:47 AM

Honestly speaking, the Mad Dog is a mean mech. However, compared to the Timber Wolf, it is a less flexible design and uses less armor than a stock catapult, making it extremely fragile by comparison. Overall, without a tonnage limit, the Timber Wolf should be the better mech 9 times out of 10. The key issue the Timber Wolf faces in a Lurm-off is the tight ammo limits of the 'Wolf's bins. Otherwise the mech should match or outperform the Mad Dog in all other ways, and why should it not? It is, after all, 15 tons heavier.

It (the Timber Wolf) was also about the only Mech released with the 3050 clans that was not somehow (intentionally or otherwise) sabotaged in some way, shape, or form by the developers of Battletech. I mean, Hellbringer, for example, could fit the exact same pod space and tonnage if it went ES and FF, then maxed out its armor, instantly solving most of its issues (and removal of redundant A-Pods to free room for extra heat sinks to solve the remainder).

Imagine how ludicrous mechs such as the Hellbringer would have been if they were not so insanely gimped by their creators? Hellbie would be absolutely nutso!

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 30 October 2013 - 06:48 AM.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:58 AM

Im for the Mad Dog aswell. Timberwolf is way to vanilla, never liked the ears, and I dont like the mechs with that sort of CT / look (catapault style). Although I would prefer the summoner over either of them.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:33 AM

You want the Timberwolf's disadvantage? Even with the relatively short cocpit structure in MW4 i always died with a destroyed CT while the other components were ALL green. The hitboxes must have been a bit flawed if ALL the incoming fire was taken in the CT..

#72 Pariah Devalis

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

That is actually why I hated the chassis and stuck to the Hellbringer, Summoner, and Ebon Jaguar. The first two had extremely even torso spreads with a flat facing while the last not only had a displaced center torso, but arms big enough to totally shield its ct from the sides. Timber Wolf was just a liability.

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:57 PM

View PostMarack Drock, on 30 October 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

I won every mission in MW4 with my Timber Wolf and never died once.

Even the first one? B)

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 04:40 AM

Vs AI, MW4 bots were not particularly difficult outside of the highest difficulty setting for multiplayer matches only. Then they would flawlessly hit your CT every time. Fun challenge, really. The SP bots were a joke, so it does not surprise me in the least you beat the campaigns in the Timber Wolf.

Also, in MW4, the EJ had a torso twist function, oversized torso shielding arms, and an offset center of mass. I hardly call that the same flaws of the Wolf's oversized center lined center torso that sat up high and exposed to the elements from almost all angles. o_0 Granted, in MW3, it used the more Classic look for it and had limited torso twist IIRC. It was a total piece of junk in MW3. D:

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:02 AM

Direwolf has pretty good arm coverage from the sides and reliably hitable side torsos. Same with Stormcrow and Nova. Timberwolf, Marauder, Firefly, Mad Dog, and Catapult suffer the same issues of huge protruding center torsos with no protection from the sides. Like the mech or not, nobody is judging you for that so there is no need to be defensive about it. However, it is a horrible design flaw. One which I exploited in mw3, mw4, and mwo in the case of the catapult.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:15 AM

I agree. Loadout wise that mech is near perfect. I just tend to take a holistic view on a mech, incorporating loadout, placement, and physical design.

A shame, really, that it has that flaw in an otherwise perfect mech. However, it makes sense given it was crafted by Clan Wolf hands, quiaff? :)

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:29 AM

View PostMarack Drock, on 31 October 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

What does Quiaff mean?

I have critised the Mad CAt due to its Torso before but I learned that it makes up for it. Sry if I was acting rather Rude.


Quiaff is basically like saying "yes?" and if you see quineg it is "no?". Clanners use the short hand aff (affirmative) for yes and neg (negative) for no.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:12 PM

Query Affirmative = Quiaff. When a positive response is expected.
Query Negative = Quineg. When a negative response is expected.

Clan lingo is fun but a little odd to learn.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:41 PM

My Desktop is named Timber Wolf, My Laptop is Madcat.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:05 PM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 29 October 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

I bid... Supernova?

>_>

Then I bid Fire Stallion! That 100 85 ton pony is amazing... Friendship is magic, quiaff?

Cause of edit: wrong TS weight! How could I ?!.

Edited by Sharp Spikes, 31 October 2013 - 01:11 PM.






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