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[CaptainCondomNF]

so whats happend with mwo in 12 vs. 12

in many games we have opponents, wo use the Artillery strike as main attack!
the problem is, there is not only 1 arty strike... there are 12 arty strikes,(from the enemie) in a 12 vs. 12 match!

the huge amount and multiple use of arty is P2W for me!

whats ur opinion...?

[OneEyed Jack]

Do you have to pay to use them?

No?

Then stop your belly-aching.

Edit:
Main attack? Seriously? From a 1-shot item?

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 13 November 2013 - 03:24 AM.

[CaptainCondomNF]

OneEyed Jack, on 13 November 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

Do you have to pay to use them?

No?

Then stop your belly-aching.

of corse! u pay in "C-Bill or MC" it is very expencive in both variants!
first u need many c-bill or many MC to use it...so

u need many c-bills, if u wont be pure, so use premium (useable with MC)
u want the MC variant buy them

Edited by Inco, 13 November 2013 - 03:26 AM.

[Jetfire]

You run the CBill variant, no paying involved. It may cost a chunk of your winnings but that doesn't make it P2W.

[Murphy7]

Just now?

I heard it was pay to win (P2W) during repair and rearm, favors premium time.

Or maybe it was p2w when hero mechs were released? YLW is excellent, after all.

Or..

Or..

It still hasn't been pay to win, yet. Lots of aspects of MWO may not be where we would like them to be, but one thing I think they have done a very good job with is balancing pay for convenience over pay to win.

[Windsaw]

I always carry artillery strike now and use it in about every 2 matches or so.
It has made a little dent on my CBill income, but far from enough to justify paying MCs for them. Even when I use it every match, my income is still positive.
I have never felt any need to buy them using real money. Even when I combine it with UAV, which I also have to pay for.

So it is not pay to win by any definition I can think of.

[Why Run]

Nah, not yet. I was playing around with some of the Phoenix mechs and quickly realized that for the Shadow, Thunder and Battle, there is a standard variant, one that will be available soon for CBs, that is vastly superior in loadout than the Phoenix. Until the MC mechs really are OP, there's no real argument here...

[Joseph Mallan]

Inco, on 13 November 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

so whats happend with mwo in 12 vs. 12

in many games we have opponents, wo use the Artillery strike as main attack!
the problem is, there is not only 1 arty strike... there are 12 arty strikes,(from the enemie) in a 12 vs. 12 match!

the huge amount and multiple use of arty is P2W for me!

whats ur opinion...?

So your enemy uses artillery for its actual combat role (Pounding the enemy BEFORE engaging) and you are mad.

[Demos]

Oh really? P2W? Thats ridiculous.
The Arty Strike (and Air Strike) is available for ALL players. Even a pure F2P-player can buy the strikes with CBills.
If people are too cheap to afford this module, they should not lament the fireworks...

[John MatriX82]

I don't like the artillery spam that there's in competitive 12 mans, but from here reading that's pay 2 win this is blatantly ridiculous.

You can use that consumable using cbills, unlocking the better version with GXP, which is also free. So where's the pay2win?!?!?

[Troutmonkey]

I wouldn't say that it's pay to win, but I'm certainly not having any fun playing against artillery users.
I don't think the damage should be nerfed but Betty should definitely be warning me about incoming strikes.
That and I've noticed the cool down is too low. Increase it to 3 minutes between any form of strike (per team) and it wouldn't be so bad, but getting hit by consecutive strikes is just {Scrap}.

[Rhaythe]

Inco, on 13 November 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

MWO IS NOW PAY 2 WIN

Inco, on 13 November 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

[color=#959595]whats ur opinion...?[/color]

That you have no idea what pay-to-win means.

Edited by Rhaythe, 13 November 2013 - 04:54 AM.

[CaptainCondomNF]

Rhaythe, on 13 November 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

That you have no idea what pay-to-win means.

read the 3 post!
for information, our W/L ratio is well in 12 vs 12, i have enouph c-bill too!
and this thread isent been created after we lose or something

Edited by Inco, 13 November 2013 - 05:13 AM.

[Randalf Yorgen]

Inco, on 13 November 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

read the 3 post!
for information, our W/L ratio is well in 12 vs 12, i have enouph c-bill too!
and this thread isent been created after we lose or something

You defeat your own original post with what you post in post 3, I think you are very confused.

[Joseph Mallan]

Inco, on 13 November 2013 - 03:24 AM, said:

of corse! u pay in "C-Bill or MC" it is very expencive in both variants!
first u need many c-bill or many MC to use it...so

u need many c-bills, if u wont be pure, so use premium (useable with MC)
u want the MC variant buy them

Did you pay C-Bills for your Mech? You have to have a Mech to use Arty/Airstrike... You paid to win there too!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 13 November 2013 - 05:21 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Inco, on 13 November 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

read the 3 post!

I did. I still don't believe you know what pay-to-win means.

[CaptainCondomNF]

the point is, u could bye a weapon (weapon is a strange equal for it, better is "support"), which could make many damage, and it dont change your Heat if u fire it!

-extra weapon u can use (only 1 time i know) by purchasing c-bill or mc

Edited by Inco, 13 November 2013 - 05:26 AM.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

More like play in a group to win I guess if a 12 man team wanted to effectively use UAVs that could be considered paying to help win.

[Werewolf486 ScorpS]

It's not Pay to Win, more like Pay to Waste as you have a ton of ways to waste MC in this game.

[Joseph Mallan]

Inco, on 13 November 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

the point is, u could bye a weapon (weapon is a strange equal for it, better is "support"), which could make many damage, and it dont change your Heat if u fire it!

-extra weapon u can use (only 1 time i know) by purchasing c-bill or mc

Using the paid product does not ensure victory.