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[RiotHero]

What is with all of these terribly slooooow Ravens I've been seeing lately? I'm talking about lights that I can run down in my 350xl Orion or blow past in my Hunchie.

I've had a few different games were they actually park in front of me in my Orion and fire some kind of cute auto cannon at me. I press two buttons on my mouse, watch them explode in a big ball of fire, chuckle, and go about my business.

I've only had Jenners for lights but, I always ran the fastest engine I could and that did pretty well keeping me alive. I don't understand the concept of having a light slower than mediums or even some heavies.

[Modo44]

You buy the good Raven, kit it out, and suddenly... your awesome XL engine is too big for the **** Ravens. So, you level them without investing anything, apart from maybe better weapons. Since the **** Ravens come with **** engines...

[Lord Letto]

I done something like that before with my 2X, Except it was a LRM Boat with a LRM 20 and TAG. Raven Missile Turret Anyone?

[Ghostchips Condensate I and II]

Raven is fun & not all that fast, if built for speed you have less firepower than a locust where if you lose a few KPH you can have good firepower. Shotgun on a raven is pretty funny, if limited in usefulness.

[Myomes]

People complaining that ravens aren't being twinked to run 170 kph, sticking with stock 97 kph speed, because they're choosing to use huge XL engines in their heavy mechs as the cost of being much less durable and dying early.

Now I've seen everything.

Edited by Myomes, 27 December 2013 - 01:49 PM.

[RiotHero]

Myomes, on 27 December 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

People complaining that ravens aren't being twinked to run 170 kph, sticking with stock 97 kph speed, because they're choosing to use huge XL engines in their heavy mechs as the cost of being much less durable and dying early.

Now I've seen everything.

I'm not complaining at all, what sense would it make for me to complain about people running slow lights? Personally I'm all for it because it makes super easy kills no matter what mech you are in. I'm merely looking for insight on what would possibly motivate them to do such a thing and I only see it with ravens.

Dropping 7 kills/almost 900 damage with a huge XL seems durable enough for me especially in a mech that wasn't even elited yet and I average 370 in a game. If I want more durable I'll just get an assault. Speed is extra durability btw. I assumed light pilots like those in Ravens would know that but, I guess not.

[1453 R]

The two 'off' Ravens - the 2X and 4X variants - were for the longest time capped at a 245 engine rating. This was pretty abominable, and meant that anyone trying to use the 'Mechs for any reason had to try and find a way to play light 'Mechs that could maybe keep up with some of the fatter mediums, at best.

The usual solution was to equip more gun on one's Raven than is typically seen on any two light 'Mechs and play it as a tiny gunboat. AC/20 4X, dual PPC 2X, most anything that can dish out a surprising amount of damage, and then they attempt to prey on the inattentive. It works less often than they'd hope but more often than you'd think.

Now, of course, they can hit a 275 cap, at which point with Tweak they get up to 140 klicks. Which is a perfectly reasonable speed for a light and permits the poor things to not be quite so completely outclassed by Jenners. They still generally are, but hey. What can you do? At least now there's some hope for the durned things.

[RiotHero]

1453 R, on 27 December 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Wow, thank you 1453 R for the very clear and concise reply that actually perfectly explained what I asked in my original post. Not having ever piloted one I would not have known that.

[Turist0AT]

haha i agree, seen those too lately, dont know how many i pegged. Could be just new(or old) players grinding standard variants.

[kesuga7]

even if they had same hardpoints as jenner no jumpjets and a bigger mech profile (Easier to hit legs) makes it disadvantageous sadly

So pack da dakka dakkka on

Edited by kesuga7, 27 December 2013 - 11:22 PM.

[HelBound]

The raven (with exception to the 3L w/ ECM) is a fairly useless mech. I'm grinding the raven chassis in an attempt to master all light chassis.

Right now I've built a striker raven which roles with mediums on the team to form a striker lance. 1 AC/2 w/ 3t ammo and a LL with standard engine. Its functional, not really fun to play I prefer fast lights that get in and stick rather then long range game play. But it works, move into position with the strike lance and pick off arms/legs etc.

I'm considering building a 2X with 4 medium pulse lasers to serve as a light fighter to move with the main group of heavies/assaults but not sure how that will work out as an oxide is much better for that.

Hard to give up a quality light mech like the Deaths Knell that pulls 700+/- dmg on solo PUG play.

[Israel Finklestein]

If it's not a 3L it's usually because they're running goofy ravens for eliteing purposes. I messed around with both UAC5 and AC20 ravens when I was eliteing the 4X so I could master my JR7-F/RVN-3L . Blame that stupid system for a lot of the bad builds you see people running.

[Fang01]

HelBound, on 30 December 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

The raven (with exception to the 3L w/ ECM) is a fairly useless mech. I'm grinding the raven chassis in an attempt to master all light chassis.

Right now I've built a striker raven which roles with mediums on the team to form a striker lance. 1 AC/2 w/ 3t ammo and a LL with standard engine. Its functional, not really fun to play I prefer fast lights that get in and stick rather then long range game play. But it works, move into position with the strike lance and pick off arms/legs etc.

I'm considering building a 2X with 4 medium pulse lasers to serve as a light fighter to move with the main group of heavies/assaults but not sure how that will work out as an oxide is much better for that.

Hard to give up a quality light mech like the Deaths Knell that pulls 700+/- dmg on solo PUG play.

xl275, 1 large, 3 medium. My 2x was a solid 500-800 dmg producer by the time I'd finished eliting it. Unfortuneately as it did nothing better than the 3L it got binned as soon as the 3L's module slot unlocked. No need for slow cheese to be effective in the lesser ravens

[Amsro]

Myomes, on 27 December 2013 - 01:49 PM, said:

People complaining that ravens aren't being twinked to run 170 kph, sticking with stock 97 kph speed, because they're choosing to use huge XL engines in their heavy mechs as the cost of being much less durable and dying early.

Now I've seen everything.

What was your previous account? Clearly you have been here longer then "Member Since 22 Dec 2013".

In all your post's you have a very experienced point of view on this game. Is this your PUG farming account?

[Edwyndham]

kesuga7, on 27 December 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

even if they had same hardpoints as jenner no jumpjets and a bigger mech profile (Easier to hit legs) makes it disadvantageous sadly

So pack da dakka dakkka on

The 4X can fit 5 JJs. And it's a pretty good mech if you know how to use it. I've pulled off plenty of 900+ dmg rounds, even a 1200+ dmg round once.

Edited by zwanglos, 05 January 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[Fang01]

I'll just leave this here


*complete and utter joke build done for fun because yes some people like playing games for fun. Yes this happened. yes I can alpha without exploding.*

[ShinVector]

HelBound, on 30 December 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

The raven (with exception to the 3L w/ ECM) is a fairly useless mech. I'm grinding the raven chassis in an attempt to master all light chassis.

Right now I've built a striker raven which roles with mediums on the team to form a striker lance. 1 AC/2 w/ 3t ammo and a LL with standard engine. Its functional, not really fun to play I prefer fast lights that get in and stick rather then long range game play. But it works, move into position with the strike lance and pick off arms/legs etc.

I'm considering building a 2X with 4 medium pulse lasers to serve as a light fighter to move with the main group of heavies/assaults but not sure how that will work out as an oxide is much better for that.

Hard to give up a quality light mech like the Deaths Knell that pulls 700+/- dmg on solo PUG play.

You are calling the Raven 2X an 4X useless ?
LOL... Up to the pilot really.. Know your match up and get those you are weak against killed though baiting or generally avoid them...
Then kite/burn those silly slow assault mechs to death.. Muahahahah !

Raven 2X



Raven 4X

edited: wrong video for the 4X.

Edited by ShinVector, 05 January 2014 - 11:49 PM.

[BaconCouch]

Honestly, my 3L runs at 114 kph un-tweaked, not the fastest in the world, but I also have ECM, and 2 ER Large Lasers. I sit back behind the assaults chipping away at people from a distance they cant see me at, let alone hit me when I move to a new location.

Its been a process really. Some matches are better than others. But the capping speed, ecm to shield our heavies, and long range poke make up for it.

[Koniving]

Lord Letto, on 27 December 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

I done something like that before with my 2X, Except it was a LRM Boat with a LRM 20 and TAG. Raven Missile Turret Anyone?

LRM Raven missile turret, closed beta; first one ever put on youtube.
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My Ravens 2x and 4x move slow but pack heavy punches of 20+ instant damage. My 4x is made as an unorthodox brawler and my 2x as a ranged sharp shooter. Both are deadly in their elements, but are easily outdone by enemy lights in the right conditions.

Though, before HSR, spiders were just prey.



The 4x is even deadlier in cities, but does good in high heat maps too.

And the 2x

Edited by Koniving, 06 January 2014 - 07:45 AM.

[Hexenhammer]

People wont be sinking cbills into a mech they wont be keeping. Spider 5V anyone?

But anyways, there are some mechs in this game that will just suck. cough (locust)

Or drive a pilot up a wall no matter what variant or build they use. Thunderbolt.


TL;DR

MWO will have lame duck mechs. Nothing we can do about it. or "What you talking about Willis!" I can rock that [scrap] like no one's business!

Edited by Hexenhammer, 06 January 2014 - 07:50 AM.