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[Lord Letto]

I Was thinking of Upgrading my old EVGA 560TI 2GB with a 750TI (Likely EVGA also) once I get the money and a local computer store gets more options for them, I was wondering how much better do you guys think the 750Ti would be over the 560TI 2 GB and also how it would be for MWO? Looking at Newegg Canada the 750TI is currently $170 + like $11 Shipping (3 Available for that price, a EVGA, ASUS and Zotac (ASUS)), a local computer store (Canada Computers) only got a MSI 750TI Twin Frozr on their website so far for $200 (on Newegg Canada the same one is $190 + $12 Shipping so would be saving like $2), I'm guessing when the cheaper/lower end 750 TIs become available it would be around $180 Plus tax I guess give or take any price adjustments between now and then and if it's on sale/a rebate available when I go to get it.

My Current 560TI: http://www.newegg.ca...N82E16814130683

$170+Shipping EVGA 750TI on Newegg: http://www.newegg.ca...N82E16814487025

MSI 750 TI Twin Frozr on Newegg: http://www.newegg.ca...N82E16814127783

MSI 750 TI Twin Frozr at Canada Computers: http://www.canadacom...&item_id=068523

My Current rig is in Sig, get around 30-40 FPS at 1280x1024 (Max Resolution for monitor,a HP Pavilion MX70) at 60 Hz

1 Thing that I think would hurt Performance though would be that the 750TI is PCI-E 3 while my MOBO is PCI-E 2. if I have to stick with PCI-E 2 for the GPU, my other option would be the GT Series or find a better GTX 5xx series (570, 580 or 590) unless I find a PCI-E 3 AM3+ MOBO for Cheap

Edit: as far as getting a GTX 5xx Series from Newegg or Canada Computers, Newegg Canada got no 5xx series while american Newegg got a refurbished ASUS 560 TI DCII OC 1GB for $80 ($79.99 American = $87.61 Today according to Google): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121565

or from Canada Computers, they have 1 ASUS GTX 590 on Clearance at their Richmond Hill Location for $400: http://www.canadacom...&item_id=037783

Edited by Lord Letto, 18 February 2014 - 03:05 PM.

[Summon3r]

go with the MSI 750TI it has more CUDA cores.... http://www.newegg.ca...Order=BESTMATCH

this would be a massive improvement over your current 560ti

hmmm on that page it shows 960 cores but when u click on each card it shows only 640 :-/

Edited by Summon3r, 18 February 2014 - 03:42 PM.

[mau5trap]

This benchmark site might help you with your decision: http://www.videocard...h_end_gpus.html

I was honestly surprised at how little difference there was between the cards you listed. Even the older GTX 660 would outperform the 750 ti. Take a good long look at the benchmark chart and check the performance numbers vs price and I think you will find a better solution that fits within your budget.

560 ti score = 3,538
750 ti score = 3,816
660 (not ti) score = 4,113 ($189.00 USD on newegg)
660 ti score = 4,688 ($199 USD on newegg)

[Firewuff]

take a look at this http://www.videocard...h_end_gpus.html

I seriously would go the 760 if you cant streach just a little more. The performance is a heap better than the 750 but price isn't that much more. I run it and get 60-90+ FPS at 1080p and all very high settings

[Durant Carlyle]

1. Difference between performance of PCIe 2.0 and PCIe 3.0 is 1-3 FPS overall. No need to worry about that.

2. Not worth the money to upgrade from what you have. Maxwell is like Haswell CPUs -- power usage is down quite a bit so performance per watt is great, but the actual performance increase isn't much at all. Maybe with better drivers, performance will increase -- but don't expect miracles.

My advice:
Stay with what you have and save more pennies.

[darqsyde]

It would be a side-grade going from a 560ti to a 750ti.

The 750 would use significantly less power(60 vs 170), and have newer instruction sets, etc. But it would basically be a wash in terms of outright performance, and the 750ti can't be SLI'd.

It's unlikely that the card would be bottlenecked by PCIE2, since even the high end cards are only marginally affected. For an upgrade in that price range you might want to wait for the R7-265. Even then, it's not a huge upgrade. You might be better served waiting for the next generation, or saving up for something beefier.

[Sirgrant]

Durant Carlyle, on 18 February 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

My advice:
Stay with what you have and save more pennies.

I'm in the same boat as the OP, 560ti, considering the GTX760. I've been waffling because I saw the same benchmarks. Now the GTX780, I would have to save for a while. Comes down to the 780 or Clan Mechs....

[Pezzer]

Why not save up for the gtx770? It's almost as powerful as the 780 at less than half the price.

Also, super low wattage=less heat=more performance, especially if you wanna OC. That being said, the 770 IS 300 BUCKS. So it may be over your budget.

My suggestion would be upgrading your monitor and overclocking your GPU. That screen sounds like it's cramped

[mau5trap]

Just for closure, I started with the 550 Ti and upgraded to the 660 (non-Ti) back in April when a bug in MWO tanked the frame rate. I'm still very happy with the card/price point but the GTX 770 is on my list so I can go to the 3 monitor solution. Maybe after CW and DX11 are rolled into MWO I will pull the trigger but not until then.. or until Star Citizen is released!

[Alekzander Smirnoff]

EDIT: *facepalm* Forgot the 750TI is a slow launch of the maxwell architecture. Still I'd spring for a 760 or wait for an 860/850TI.

Wait for the next series, the 700 series is rehashed kepler gpu's that are basically clock speed and tweak bumps from the 600 series. The next GPU generation Maxwell is right around the corner and would be a good long term investment (really the 700 series is fine as well). I went from a GTX 295 (MWO only used one of the two GPU's so the frame rate was horrible at 1920x1200) to a GTX 760. For me that was a gigantic upgrade in games that didn't support SLI, maybe a 30% upgrade for games that did support SLI. So now I get 40-60 FPS with everything set to very high at 1920x1200, where as I was stuck on medium with the old card at the same resolution.

If you can wait another generation, go ahead and get an 800 series, if not, save a little more and get a 760. At 1280x1024 (the resolution you stated) you would get probably 100+ frames, a 760/750ti is overkill at that resolution but look at it this way, you have enough power left under the hood to get a new monitor at 1920x1080 (bleh, hate TV resolutions on my desktop monitors) or 1920x1200 (16x10 resolution). It will be enough to run anything for the next several years. Hell I went almost five before I upgraded.

Edited by Alekzander Smirnoff, 18 February 2014 - 05:30 PM.

[Goose]

Er: Bad; Tom's Hardware seems to be ball-parking the thing with the 650Ti and the R7 260X, both of which are a step down on the Graphics Card Performance Hierarchy Chart, and not the three steps up they suggest for a worthwhile upgrade …

Edited by Goose, 18 February 2014 - 06:53 PM.

[Lord Letto]

Thanks for that benchmark site, got it bookmarked, I normally use http://www.hwcompare.com/category/gpu/ to do CPU Comparisons with the 560TI (for example, when it comes to the GTX 560TI and GTX 660 (Non TI), the 660 uses less power with increased Memory Bandwith and Texel Rate while the 560TI is better for Pixel Rate http://www.hwcompare...eforce-gtx-660/ ). I was surprised to see that the GTX 570 & 580 is even better then the 590 when it comes to the Benchmark:
590 = 4031
570 = 4381
580 = 4969 (just 28 score under the 760 and 281 score above the 660 TI)
For Reference, 560TI: 3538

Checking Kijiji For GTX Cards for sale currently (That was posted since the new year), I found these I'll post as a reference for Local used prices:
MSI 570 OC 1.25GB for $110: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ568144437
2 MSI Twin Frozer III 560 TI 2GB, SLI Bridge Included, guy says worth $75 a piece, looking to trade both + Cash for a 7950: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ565858576
ASUS 660 2GB for $150: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ564463626
EVGA 280 512 bit (Guessing MB) for $50 + 20 for delivery: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ562104584
EVGA 660 SuperClocked Brand spanking new for at least $225: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ560375440
New/Unopened Gigabyte GTX 770 OC for $375: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ558869027
someone is parting out a ASUS G73 Laptop, got a price of $60 for the VGA Card (GTX 460M 1.5GB GDDR5): http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ557376801
EVGA GTX 670 2GB FTW Edition for $320: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ556999363
Lastly, a EVGA 560 SC for $105: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ556245819

For Reference, I bought my EVGA 560TI 2GB for $120 back in august, the guy I bought it from was asking $150 for it.

Edited by Lord Letto, 18 February 2014 - 07:33 PM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Lord Letto, on 18 February 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

Thanks for that benchmark site, got it bookmarked, I normally use http://www.hwcompare.com/category/gpu/ to do CPU Comparisons with the 560TI (for example, when it comes to the GTX 560TI and GTX 660 (Non TI), the 660 uses less power with increased Memory Bandwith and Texel Rate while the 560TI is better for Pixel Rate http://www.hwcompare...eforce-gtx-660/ ). I was surprised to see that the GTX 570 & 580 is even better then the 590 when it comes to the Benchmark:
590 = 4031
570 = 4381
580 = 4969 (just 28 score under the 760 and 281 score above the 660 TI)
For Reference, 560TI: 3538

Checking Kijiji For GTX Cards for sale currently (That was posted since the new year), I found these I'll post as a reference for Local used prices:
MSI 570 OC 1.25GB for $110: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ568144437
2 MSI Twin Frozer III 560 TI 2GB, SLI Bridge Included, guy says worth $75 a piece, looking to trade both + Cash for a 7950: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ565858576
ASUS 660 2GB for $150: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ564463626
EVGA 280 512 bit (Guessing MB) for $50 + 20 for delivery: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ562104584
EVGA 660 SuperClocked Brand spanking new for at least $225: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ560375440
New/Unopened Gigabyte GTX 770 OC for $375: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ558869027
someone is parting out a ASUS G73 Laptop, got a price of $60 for the VGA Card (GTX 460M 1.5GB GDDR5): http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ557376801
EVGA GTX 670 2GB FTW Edition for $320: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ556999363
Lastly, a EVGA 560 SC for $105: http://kitchener.kij...QAdIdZ556245819

For Reference, I bought my EVGA 560TI 2GB for $120 back in august, the guy I bought it from was asking $150 for it.

Dont you have a 990 chipset SLI capable board? Better off to buy a used cheap 560Ti to SLI with and get urself into a 1080P monitor to use that GPU power.......before worrying about buying a GPU thats so powerful you cant even make it sweat due to low resolution utilization.

[Goodfella SOG]

I picked up a nice Samsung .5ms (1920x1080) 27" monitor on ebay from a seller who seemed
to have a good supply of them ~ $200

I have an extra EVGA GTX580 that I'm willing to part with (message me)
(was going to run SLI, but with 70-90FPS...why bother)

bear in mind, and I don't see it mentioned here, this iteration of MW is much more CPU dependent than it is GPU dependent.

[zudukai]

when are the 800's due?

[Lord Letto]

On the topic of a bigger screen, I might be able to, if I'm lucky to get a Full HD monitor or a Smallish HDTV either next month or the month after if I can save up what I got now with whatever birthday money I Get (Birthday is March 13th BTW so less then a month away) and HST Credit at the Start of April along with money for whatever old stuff I get rid of between now and then = Hopefully enough to get Win 7 & a New Monitor/TV
Anyways, what would you guys say is the best way to OC a GPU? I tried EVGA Precision or whatever it's called but found it kinda hard to use (I've heard great things about MSI Afterburner or whatever it's called so might try that). also, what would you guys think would be a safe OC for my 560TI? the speeds/settings of a factory OC Edition on the normal edition?

[Catamount]

Smokey is right. SLI that 560TI, unless you're willing to buy a real upgrade, something like a 760 or 770. Don't bother OCing the GPU. It's fun for benchmarks, but you won't yield a practical increase without an ungodly OC. I'd say that anything below 30% wouldn't be noticed by you in games, and VERY few GPUs can do that. Most models, even voltage unlocked models, cap at 10-20; 10 would never, ever be noticible, and 20 would rarely and barely be, hardly worth the extra heat, power, effort and risk, unless of course you rally think you can approach or pass the 1100mhz mark for core. Also, beware GPU memory OCes. Non-reference coolers usually don't cool VRAM, and reference coolers don't do a great job either, typically. I have never fried a GPU before, but I have burned out VRAM on three different cards in the last several years from over clocking, and never even really high OCs.

Edited by Catamount, 19 February 2014 - 07:53 AM.

[Cybermech]

its might be too late... as someone who sli'd there 560ti DO NOT DO IT.
SLI is a waste, unless needed.
most people in hear who talk about saving up for better card.. 770 or next generation if you can wait are very correct.

I have the msi n560ti 1.5gb ram and it still runs all games for me no problems.
Some drop in graphics for the latest games but tbh if done right your game will look better.. strange?

I now have 1 560ti installed and the other somewhere else, what the hell is the point in paying for electricity bills and extra noise for little performance increase.

PLEASE FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY IN THIS WORLD DO NOT SLI YOUR 560ti's

Also note with benchmarks to look at them as "guides".
Nividia and ATI work better in different situations so for real look at how graphics cards preform you HAVE to look at different sites.
Some are bias too

[Bront]

The 760 is a nice sweet spot of price and performance unless you need to game at higher than 1080P resolution. A friend of mine got a 660 and it ran MWO on very high at 70-90 fps, so a 660 or 660TI isn't a bad investment either, but the 760 is a good upgrade/future proof card for most usage.

[Catamount]

Cybermech, on 19 February 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

PLEASE FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY IN THIS WORLD DO NOT SLI YOUR 560ti's

Why not? SLI scales almost linearly with two cards except where severely CPU-bound, and being CPU bound won't affect a single fast card any less than two slower cards. I could have understood this position back when drivers were poor and microstutter gobbled up performance gains, but Nvidia fixed that issue ages ago, and AMD recently fixed it. These are mature, functional technology these days.

There are tradeoffs between two power hungry 560TIs and, say, selling one and getting a 760 or 770, but to suggest both are not options? Again, why not?