Edited by SirLANsalot, 23 May 2014 - 11:49 PM.
Clan Pack Mech Variants/configurations! (Reddit Ama)
#121
Posted 23 May 2014 - 11:48 PM
#122
Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:47 AM
Rouken, on 23 May 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:
Unfortunatly, you'll only be able to get within 2 energy weapons. The prime Stormcrow carries an energy hardpoint in its head, but brings a minimum of 22 double heatsinks with it that leave no room for any weapons or equipment in the side torsos, and barely enough room in each arm for a couple lasers. You would have to use the C config as a base, and bring in an arm from the prime for a maximum of 4 energy hardpoints.
While this is a bit depressing, considering what we could have had, a U-AC/20 with 4 ER medium lasers, 3 tons of ammo, and either more ammo, an extra heatsink, or maxed armor on a 55 tonner that moves at over 100 kph is still very good.
#124
Posted 24 May 2014 - 10:09 AM
Echo535, on 24 May 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:
They're all the same. On all mechs. The engine is part of the base chassis which is exactly the same across all variants. (it's actually technically configurations but... )
#125
Posted 24 May 2014 - 10:41 AM
Gigastrike, on 24 May 2014 - 05:47 AM, said:
Even then 22 DHS is going to make those energy loadouts run (relatively) pretty darn cool
Especially since Clan DHS are only 2 crits
#126
Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:41 AM
Gigastrike, on 24 May 2014 - 05:47 AM, said:
While this is a bit depressing, considering what we could have had, a U-AC/20 with 4 ER medium lasers, 3 tons of ammo, and either more ammo, an extra heatsink, or maxed armor on a 55 tonner that moves at over 100 kph is still very good.
Left arm from the C configuration (1 ballistic).
Right arm from the prime (2 energy).
Left torso from the C (1 energy).
Right torso from the C (1 energy).
head from the prime (1 energy).
The prime may have 22 DHS but the 12 outside of the engine are not hardwired. For example the Stromcrow C only has 10 DHS.
Again this all assumes there are no restrictions on the omni pod combinations.
Edited by Rouken, 24 May 2014 - 11:43 AM.
#127
Posted 24 May 2014 - 12:23 PM
Rouken, on 24 May 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:
Left arm from the C configuration (1 ballistic).
Right arm from the prime (2 energy).
Left torso from the C (1 energy).
Right torso from the C (1 energy).
head from the prime (1 energy).
The prime may have 22 DHS but the 12 outside of the engine are not hardwired. For example the Stromcrow C only has 10 DHS.
Again this all assumes there are no restrictions on the omni pod combinations.
True.
The minimum HS for the Stormecrow/Ryoken is 10 DHS. So any other "stock" configurations that have more, can be removed.
Also do not forget that the ERLL is only 1 Crit and 4 tons, so it will fit anywhere a ML can, or in the case of the Stormcrow, the head.
#128
Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:11 PM
Risko Vinsheen, on 22 May 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:
Note: All Warhawk carry a fixed Targeting Computer
(If anyone else spots any errors I missed feel free to point them out so I can fix them.)
I don't have a TRO handy, I believe the the basic info on mechs are pretty much copy-pasted from them.
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Edited by OneEyed Jack, 24 May 2014 - 01:19 PM.
#129
Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:30 PM
OneEyed Jack, on 24 May 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:
Must be a wiki-war going on, when I made my lists, that line wasn't there
I checked for it, because I never had a TRO, so I didn't know what was or was not fixed....which means I probably should have left those notes off.
#130
Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:46 PM
Shar Wolf, on 24 May 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:
I checked for it, because I never had a TRO, so I didn't know what was or was not fixed....which means I probably should have left those notes off.
The masakari has a TC on all of them, but it is not hardlocked and can be removed.
#131
Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:51 PM
SirLANsalot, on 24 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:
The masakari has a TC on all of them, but it is not hardlocked and can be removed.
Not entirely true. "Though the Computer must be modified for different weapons arrays, and in fact sometimes consumes more room and weight, the basic computing boards appear to be built into the frame of the 'Mech." pg 38, TRO 3050 first edition, 1990.
#132
Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:51 PM
Rouken, on 24 May 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:
Left arm from the C configuration (1 ballistic).
Right arm from the prime (2 energy).
Left torso from the C (1 energy).
Right torso from the C (1 energy).
head from the prime (1 energy).
The prime may have 22 DHS but the 12 outside of the engine are not hardwired. For example the Stromcrow C only has 10 DHS.
Again this all assumes there are no restrictions on the omni pod combinations.
Ok, I was about to contest this, but reading the omnimech construction rules again told me that the minimum number of heatsinks was bound to the chassis as a whole, rather than the individual configuration. See, I thought it was just impossible to remove heatsinks that came stock with a config, and where they all were located was determined solely by the CT.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have some posts to edit...and some loadouts to theorycraft...
Edited by Gigastrike, 24 May 2014 - 01:52 PM.
#133
Posted 24 May 2014 - 01:59 PM
Gigastrike, on 24 May 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:
Now if you'll excuse me, I have some posts to edit...and some loadouts to theorycraft...
Yup. We all make mistakes and assumptions. But admitting when one has done so, or being open to the possibility? That's when good stuff happens. (Besides, the fact that some of us are walking freaking encyclopaedias of this crap..... doesn't really say all that much good about or "IRL"s, lol! Oy I need to get out more!)
#134
Posted 24 May 2014 - 05:34 PM
Adder:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure
Prime:
CT: 1x Flamer
LA: 1x ER PPC
RA: 1x ER PPC
A:
CT: 1x Flamer
LA: 1x LRM 20
LT: 1x Small Pulse Laser
RA: 1x LRM 20
RT: 1x Small Pulse Laser
D:
CT: 1x Flamer
LA: 1x ER Large Laser
LT: 1x Streak SRM 2
RA: 1x UAC/5
RT: 1x Streak SRM 2
Dire Wolf:
Standard Armor
Standard Structure
Prime:
LA: 2x ER Large Laser, 2x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x UAC/5
LT: 1x LRM 10
RA: 2x ER Large Laser, 2x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x UAC/5
A:
LA: 1x Gauss Rifle
LT: 2x Streak SRM 6
RA: 3x Large Pulse Laser
RT: 1x AMS
B:
CT: 1x ER Small Laser
LA: 2x ER PPC, 2x Medium Pulse Laser
LT: 2x UAC/2
RA: 1x LB 10-X AC
RT: 2x UAC/2
Kit Fox:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure
Prime:
LA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x Small Pulse Laser
RA: 1x Streak SRM 4, 1x LB 5-X AC
D:
LA: 1x LRM 15, 1x LRM 5
RA: 1x LRM 15, 1x Narc Beacon
S:
LA: 1x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x Streak SRM 4
RA: 1x Large Pulse Laser, 1x Small Pulse Laser
LT: 1x Machine Gun
RT: 1x Machine Gun
6 Jump Jets
Nova:
Standard Armor
Standard Structure
Prime:
LA: 6x ER Medium Laser
RA: 6x ER Medium Laser
5 Jump Jets
B:
LA: 1x Large Pulse Laser
LT: 2x Machine Gun
RA: 1x UAC/5
RT: 1x ER Small Laser
5 Jump Jets
S:
LA: 3x Medium Pulse Laser
LT: 2x Machine Gun
RA: 3x Medium Pulse Laser
RT: 2x Machine Gun
CT: 1x AMS
HD: BAP
5 Jump Jets
Stormcrow:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure
Prime:
HD: 1x ER Medium Laser
LA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x ER Medium Laser
RA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x ER Medium laser
C:
LA: 1x LB 10-X AC
LT: 1x Medium Pulse Laser
RA: 1x Large Pulse Laser
RT: 1x Medium Pulse Laser
D:
LA: 1x LRM 20
LT: 2x SRM 2
RA: 1x LRM 20
RT: 1x Narc Beacon
Summoner:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Standard Structure
Prime:
LA: 1x LB 10-X AC
LT: 1x LRM 15
RA: 1x ER PPC
5 Jump Jets
B:
LA: 1x LRM 20, 1x SRM 4
LT: 1x AMS, 1x Narc Beacon
RA: 1x LRM 20, 1x SRM 4
5 Jump Jets
D:
LA: 1x ER Large Laser, ER Medium Laser
LT: 1x Machine Gun, 1x AMS
RA: 1x ER Large Laser, ER Medium Laser
RT: 1x AMS, 1x Machine Gun
5 Jump Jets
Timber Wolf:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Endo Steel Structure
Prime:
CT: 1x Machine Gun
LA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x Medium Laser
LT: 1x Medium Pulse Laser, 1x LRM 20
RA: 1x ER Large Laser, 1x ER Medium Laser
RT: 1x Machine Gun, 1x LRM 20
C:
CT: 1x ER Medium Laser
LA: 2x ER Large Laser
LT: 1x LRM 15, 1x AMS
RA: 1x UAC/5
RT: 1x LRM 15
S:
LA: 1x Large Pulse Laser
LT: 1x Machine Gun, 2x SRM 6
RA: 2x Medium Pulse Laser
RT: 1x ER Small Laser, 1x Machine Gun, 2x SRM 6
5 Jump Jets
Warhawk:
Ferro Fibrous Armor
Standard Structure
Prime:
LA: 2x ER PPC, 1x LRM 10
RA: 2x ER PPC
A:
LA: 2x ER Large Laser, 1x Streak SRM 6
RA: 1x LB 10-X AC
RT: 1x LRM 15
B:
CT: 1x Narc Beacon
LA: 1x Gauss Rifle, 1x ER Small Laser
RA: 3x ER Medium Laser
RT: 2x SRM 6
#135
Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:16 PM
Shar Wolf, on 22 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:
Note: All Warhawk carry a fixed Targeting Computer
P: 4xERPPC 1xLRM10
-- 4E 1M
A: 2xERLL 1xLBAC10 1xLRM15 1xSSRM6
-- 1B 2E 2M
B: 1xGauss 3xERML 1xERSL 1xSRM6 NARC
-- 1B 4E 2M
Very nice list, Shar. However I think that Warhawks targeting computer is not fixed.
If you go here and look for the PDF titled "BattleTech 35122 - Technical Readout - 3050 Upgrade-OEF.pdf" on page 140 there is a section titled "Weight and Space Allocation." Here it lists the the allocation of fixed items like endo, ff, DHS, etc. Of note is the fact that the TC is not listed here but is instead listed under sections with the various configuration's weapons/equipment.
For comparison the Adder on page 120 has it's flamer listed under the "Weight and Space Allocation" section. The flamer doesn't show up in the weapons list for any of the configurations, presumably because it has been identified as part of the base. Also, other instances of fixed equipment such as the Nova and Summoner's jump jets would suggest that the Warhawk's TC is not fixed.
EDIT: OK, think I got that link working now.
Edited by Rouken, 30 May 2014 - 03:26 PM.
#136
Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:08 PM
Rouken, on 30 May 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:
The TC on the Warhawk seems to be rather like the MG on the Timberwolf
Half the TRO say one thing - the other half say another.
Given that we do not know what the TC does yet - I would assume it would not be fixed, but at the same time it is probably wise to plan for the worst (IE that it is tonnage we have "lost")
#137
Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:14 PM
SirLANsalot, on 24 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:
True.
The minimum HS for the Stormecrow/Ryoken is 10 DHS. So any other "stock" configurations that have more, can be removed.
Also do not forget that the ERLL is only 1 Crit and 4 tons, so it will fit anywhere a ML can, or in the case of the Stormcrow, the head.
Centurion Zombies everywhere will be jealous.
#138
Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:18 PM
I really wanted to see it running around with a Blackhawk arm on one side and a big cannon on the other, but wasn't meant to be I guess.
#139
Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:34 PM
PanchoTortilla, on 30 May 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:
I really wanted to see it running around with a Blackhawk arm on one side and a big cannon on the other, but wasn't meant to be I guess.
well, the biggest issue for me is that we don't know if the A and B are going to be available. Just because they are not in the initial Package. I am willing to bet we will see more variants for CBills, though the Devs inability to confirm or deny is rather annoying.
Fortunately for me most of the versions are the ones I wanted for my Thor Pack, especially the Nova-S, or I might be in the same boat as you on the refund queue.
#140
Posted 30 May 2014 - 05:42 PM
PanchoTortilla, on 30 May 2014 - 05:18 PM, said:
I really wanted to see it running around with a Blackhawk arm on one side and a big cannon on the other, but wasn't meant to be I guess.
You can build both of those configurations with omni pods from the ones we are getting. I think the B would be short 1 laser. Otherwise the hardpoints are just in different locations.
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