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[Mcgral18]

Metus regem, on 16 October 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

Mcgral18, why would I run with out armour on an arm for a Hellbringer? It has less then average armour for it's weight, so a bunch of the pod space is going to assigned to armour. On top of that it is a clan mech, a good amount of the fire power will be in the arms...

Anyways I'm looks ng forward to getting my 3, so I can re-armour and re-arm them... LPL's for cERPPC's!

Because there is a single hardpoint on that arm; it has enough hardpoints that you can sacrifice one for a ton of ammo, or the Jesus Box.

This is also after maxing armour. 23.5 tons with that arm, or 25 tons without that arm, with 52 leg armour.

[DONTOR]

Ultimatum X, on 16 October 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

IS Grasshopper with ECM for Clan assault with ECM.

Make it the Warhawk and we have a deal!

No please! not an ECM Warhawk! Make it a worth while assult. Oh ya one of the DWs has ECM lol.

[KamikazeRat]

Livewyr, on 16 October 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

(Oh, and I fully plan on making a team of 3xGAR, 2xTBR/1xHBR, 3xSCR, and 2xKFX/1xMLX. It is going to happen, and it is going to be an 89kph stealth deathball.)

Blitzkrieg

Its gonna be scary...

Edited by KamikazeRat, 16 October 2014 - 01:25 PM.

[Livewyr]

DONTOR, on 16 October 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

No please! not an ECM Warhawk! Make it a worth while assult. Oh ya one of the DWs has ECM lol.

DWF-C or bust. (JJs, and ECM.)

[Squally160]

Clan needs more ecm before the is. Nuf said.

[zortesh]

A ecm mech in every weight class... i hope they rework how ecm works before these mechs come out..... or lrms/narcing will just cease to exist.

[Scratx]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

I still don't think people quite understand what having a 90kph Heavy Mech with the ability to mount ECM and a huge array of weapons means.

It's not like an Atlas, where once you know where it is, it's not really going to be adjusting position much.

A 90kph heavy masking 2 other alpha level 90 kph heavies, and 3 of the nastiest 90kph mediums, plus whatever else? The ability to reposition on a whim and choose when to engage while ECM covers you?

It's really just game breaking.

GOOD.

That will force PGI to do something about ECM.

[Bront]

DONTOR, on 16 October 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

HAHAHAHAahaaaa, oh my that was funny, yes I'm sure you will get an IS ECM mech pack lol.

I hope you were being as sarcastic as I was.

That would make for a sure fire medium...

[Ultimax]

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Likely worse than the DoomCrow for the extra 10 tons, but it should be competitive.

Tough call man. It's going to have excellent spots for sniping, has enough hardpoint variety to run a few solid builds and has just enough extra tonnage over the Storm Crow to pack a bit more power into the builds it will be able to run.

Plus ECM.

DONTOR, on 16 October 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

No please! not an ECM Warhawk! Make it a worth while assult. Oh ya one of the DWs has ECM lol.

Come on dude, we have to give the Warhawk something!


...or we could go to town and release the DWF variant that has JJs and get an ECM pod in there.

[Metus regem]

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Because there is a single hardpoint on that arm; it has enough hardpoints that you can sacrifice one for a ton of ammo, or the Jesus Box.

This is also after maxing armour. 23.5 tons with that arm, or 25 tons without that arm, with 52 leg armour.

I'll drop the SRM pack and ammo before I make a sacrfical arm. Besides its only 1 ton for the ECM, and I know all three of my Hellbringers are going to have the ECM pods.

[Mcgral18]

Metus regem, on 16 October 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

I'll drop the SRM pack and ammo before I make a sacrfical arm. Besides its only 1 ton for the ECM, and I know all three of my Hellbringers are going to have the ECM pods.

The arm is pointless, really.

Keep it as a shield. A single hardpoint is no sacrifice when you have that many.

[Triordinant]

Squally160, on 16 October 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

Clan needs more ecm before the is. Nuf said.

It's the other way around. Reasons here.

[Metus regem]

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

The arm is pointless, really.

Keep it as a shield. A single hardpoint is no sacrifice when you have that many.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'd rather have more wub on it and a little more armour.

[SaltBeef]

Post by Triordinant

Here's the bottom line: IS vs Clan is supposed to quantity vs quality. Clans have better tech, IS has greater numbers. The moment they decided IS vs Clan was going to be 12 vs 12, they had no choice but to make IS 'mechs and Clan 'mechs equal otherwise 80-90% of players will play Clan in CW meaning it wouldn't be worth playing at all since the winner has been decided before the war begins. Historically, IS forces outnumbered Clan forces to make up for their inferior tech, but if more than three fourths of the players play Clan then it's not going to work.

The only way to get players who aren't diehard IS loyalists to play IS is to give an all-IS team an even chance of defeating an all-Clan team in a 12 vs 12 match. Nothing else will do. As a result, PGI has to nerf the Clan 'mechs (which they have) and buff the IS 'mechs (something Quirks are supposed to do, but we'll see). ECM superiority is another possible IS buff, giving the IS more ECM 'mechs than the Clans. If the Clans get a heavy ECM 'mech that can fight alongside the Timberwolves and Madcats the IS needs something that can keep up with and fight alongside the Jagers, Cataphracts, Victors, etc. (something the D-DC, Spider 5D or Raven 3L can't do).

If we stuck to the original concept (Star vs Company or 10 vs 12, etc.) Clan 'mechs wouldn't have to be nerfed and IS 'mechs wouldn't have to be buffed (or at least not as much for either) and maybe more people would be happy.


That is why you can count me out of CW. IS or Clan.

Ass - backwards Crap!

[Mcgral18]

Metus regem, on 16 October 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'd rather have more wub on it and a little more armour.

You already have max, minus that arm.

Do you really need more than 6 E hardpoints, if you're bringing Dakka?

[Metus regem]

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

You already have max, minus that arm.

Do you really need more than 6 E hardpoints, if you're bringing Dakka?

If you think you have enough Dakka than you don't have enough Dakka...

Right now I'm thinking 3 cERML 2 LPL TC Mk 3 or 4 and ECM to round it out. Maybe some MGungs for some Dakka Dakka...

[Aresye]

Fishbulb333, on 16 October 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

Clan gets an ECM heavy so automatically the IS should get one too? Fine, where's my ECM stormcrow or dire wolf?

Maybe they should just change ECM so it's less of a game changer/hard counter, and more of an optional piece of equipment any mech can take.

[Spr1ggan]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

I still don't think people quite understand what having a 90kph Heavy Mech with the ability to mount ECM and a huge array of weapons means.

It's not like an Atlas, where once you know where it is, it's not really going to be adjusting position much.

A 90kph heavy masking 2 other alpha level 90 kph heavies, and 3 of the nastiest 90kph mediums, plus whatever else? The ability to reposition on a whim and choose when to engage while ECM covers you?

It's really just game breaking.

The crow is 106 or 7 but whatever.

[Rhaegor]

<-Bought Clan Package 2 preorder solely for the Hellbringer/Loki ECM heavy. I can not wait for this mech.

[Mordin Ashe]

Clan heavy Mech with ECM will be nice, but I fear the Hellbringer will be undergunned. Eventually it may still be a better choice to get Kit Fox covering you with ECM and take some other heavy with more weapons.