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[Reitrix]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

HBR + TBR x 2 + SC x 3

Would be a roving death squad moving at 90kph and hard as hell to kill.

Good luck with that.

Pretty sure any 6 'Mechs together weighing 380 tons would qualify as a death squad.

[Lily from animove]

Bront, on 16 October 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

Here's your ECM Nova

gimmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee NAO.

seriosuly, Fat ninja Nova.

[Duncan Jr Fischer]

Isn't ECM kind of too dirty for Clan way and all that stuff? I guess real clanners don't need some cheating magic box to prove their superiority

[ImperialKnight]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 16 October 2014 - 11:57 AM, said:

HBR + TBR x 2 + SC x 3

Would be a roving death squad moving at 90kph and hard as hell to kill.

Good luck with that.

More like HBR + TBR x 2 + SC x 3 + GAR x 3.

[Bront]

Duncan Jr Fischer, on 17 October 2014 - 02:58 AM, said:

Isn't ECM kind of too dirty for Clan way and all that stuff? I guess real clanners don't need some cheating magic box to prove their superiority

According to this thread some do.

[Pariah Devalis]

Duncan Jr Fischer, on 17 October 2014 - 02:58 AM, said:

Isn't ECM kind of too dirty for Clan way and all that stuff? I guess real clanners don't need some cheating magic box to prove their superiority

Nope. Common misconception or misrepresentation. ECM is a useful tool, and Clan pilots are (variably) honorable, not stupid. Ultimately, ECM will not stop you from getting blasted with a gauss rifle anymore than a targeting computer will prevent you from getting rained on by LRMs. Also, assuming they are fighting an equal foe, they would be just as likely to bring ECM along, so all things remain the same.

Hell, some Clans even have mechs designed specifically to be artillery platforms, such as the Naga (designed by Clan Wolf to fire Arrow IV), while others tend to make heavy use of air striking aerospace fighters (Nova Cat and Snow Ravens in particular), so arty and airstrikes are absolutely within normal rules of engagement. Perhaps not against other clans, but they were pretty standard procedure to use otherwise.

So, again. Honorable, not stupid. If the enemy is expected to bring it, so will they.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 17 October 2014 - 06:04 AM.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Reitrix, on 17 October 2014 - 12:10 AM, said:

Pretty sure any 6 'Mechs together weighing 380 tons would qualify as a death squad.

Really? Lets see, 3 Wolverines, a Catapult, and a pair of Orions....vs. 3 Storm Crows, 1 Hellbringer and a pair of Timberwolves.

You feel like that's on the same level?

The movement profiles for the IS mechs are all going to be different, the fire power level isn't going to compare at all, and the range difference is going to be laughable.

Whereas the Clan mechs all have huge arsenals, a huge range advantage, all of the mechs move at 90kph AND on top of that they have ECM.

You really think they are comparable in any way shape or form?

[Gas Guzzler]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 17 October 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

Really? Lets see, 3 Wolverines, a Catapult, and a pair of Orions....vs. 3 Storm Crows, 1 Hellbringer and a pair of Timberwolves.

You feel like that's on the same level?

The movement profiles for the IS mechs are all going to be different, the fire power level isn't going to compare at all, and the range difference is going to be laughable.

Whereas the Clan mechs all have huge arsenals, a huge range advantage, all of the mechs move at 90kph AND on top of that they have ECM.

You really think they are comparable in any way shape or form?

If only they didn't nerf the IS meta. Oh well, it was what the community wanted.

And to be honest, the IS deck would probably be more like 3 Shadow Hawks, 2 CTF-3Ds, and a Gauss Jager, which frankly isn't too shabby.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 October 2014 - 09:41 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

cSand, on 16 October 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

Yea I know but...

what's a timeline anyways?

[Angel of Annihilation]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 October 2014 - 06:03 AM, said:

Nope. Common misconception or misrepresentation. ECM is a useful tool, and Clan pilots are (variably) honorable, not stupid. Ultimately, ECM will not stop you from getting blasted with a gauss rifle anymore than a targeting computer will prevent you from getting rained on by LRMs. Also, assuming they are fighting an equal foe, they would be just as likely to bring ECM along, so all things remain the same.

Hell, some Clans even have mechs designed specifically to be artillery platforms, such as the Naga (designed by Clan Wolf to fire Arrow IV), while others tend to make heavy use of air striking aerospace fighters (Nova Cat and Snow Ravens in particular), so arty and airstrikes are absolutely within normal rules of engagement. Perhaps not against other clans, but they were pretty standard procedure to use otherwise.

So, again. Honorable, not stupid. If the enemy is expected to bring it, so will they.

Also each Clan has their own standards they adhere to and some are considered more honorable or superior because of those standards than others. For example, I think Hell Horses (please correct me if I am wrong, at work and cannot look it up) makes extensive use of Armor with Battlemechs being more of a supporting unit. Because of this they are looked upon as an inferior clan even when they win battles.

Keep in mind Clan rules of engagement are in place mostly because the Exodus and the conflicts that occurred after the Exodus seriously depleted the resources of the Clans. Also the Clan home worlds aren't as resource rich as the IS so they had to come up with a system of conflict the reduced the amount of resources involved. The rules are in place only for Clan vs Clan warfare and can pretty much be disregarded against other enemies as displayed by Clan Smoke Jaguar's use of orbital bombardment as a suppression tool. It might have been looked down on by the other Clans but it wasn't expressly forbidden.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 October 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

If only they didn't nerf the IS meta. Oh well, it was what the community wanted.

And to be honest, the IS deck would probably be more like 3 Shadow Hawks, 2 CTF-3Ds, and a Gauss Jager, which frankly isn't too shabby.

Reitrix, on 17 October 2014 - 12:10 AM, said:

Pretty sure any 6 'Mechs together weighing 380 tons would qualify as a death squad.

Was mostly in reference to his "Any 6 Mechs together weighing 380 tons", which is silly.

Your drop deck is definitely better, but it is still lacking ECM, 90kph speed, and the distance that the Clan mechs have.

[Metus regem]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 17 October 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

Was mostly in reference to his "Any 6 Mechs together weighing 380 tons", which is silly.

Your drop deck is definitely better, but it is still lacking ECM, 90kph speed, and the distance that the Clan mechs have.

I'd stop citing the range advantage, on most maps, read not Alpine, you are usually at knife fighting ranges anyways. This happens due to map design, rather than IS pressing in close.

So really the extra range is a none issue.

The Clan damage and tonage advantage is off set by almost all of our weapons being hotter and taking more time to put that damage on target.