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[Joseph Mallan]

Feetwet, on 22 October 2014 - 06:40 AM, said:

And that's fine. Added rewards for behavior that you want to see is fine. The problem is, in the group queue, it is not uncommon for more casual players in smaller groups to get the p1ss beat out of them. 12-2, 12-0, 12-1. You played well congrats here are your bonus rewards. Perfect, but why did mine have to get penalized.

I play a few times a month with some buddies. I'm not new but I'm not very good. Now I can't make any space cash. If you don't want me and people like me as content, fine just say so. My guestion to you is...

'Shouldn't this game be rewarding to ALL LEVELS of play?'

or

'Is this game truely only for the elite? No one else need apply?'

S

Maybe tonight I will try and break out my FS to see if I can reap some of these new light rewards.

So you want rewarded for bad play, or for failure? That makes no sense.

[Syrkres]

Reward C-Bills are only low for those who only do damage.

it now supports all those who HELP you do damage. The scout that is finding the targets so your beast can move into the proper position. The tag'er who lights up your target for your LRMS.

If you don't help others (including keeping close to your lance) you lose a ton of possible C-Bills.

Edited by Syrkres, 22 October 2014 - 06:56 AM.

[Feetwet]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 October 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

So you want rewarded for bad play, or for failure? That makes no sense.

Are you physically trying to misunderstand me?

My point is:

People should be matched up against people of similar skill. This does not seem to happen at least for me in the group queue. Now this is either a broken MM or a player base that is too small.

If it is a matter of the player base being to small, these changes may drive away less skilled players. Now maybe you are ok with that. Maybe you believe there will always be an influx of new players to fill the void.

I don't have the time too 'get gud' and I was ok with that when I could still have the hope of buying new mechs every once in a while. Take away that and I don't see the point.

I am not going to run away screaming after one day but if there are not some adjustments I can't see me continuing with a grind that was already brutal for me. But even in the 2 wins out of I think 9 games last night, one where I went 2k 5a and lived, I never broke 80k (standard mech, no premium). If those totals had been much higher, the loses wouldn;t have seemed so bad.

S

[Feetwet]

Syrkres, on 22 October 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Reward C-Bills are only low for those who only do damage.

it now supports all those who HELP you do damage. The scout that is finding the targets so your beast can move into the proper position. The tag'er who lights up your target for your LRMS.

If you don't help others (including keeping close to your lance) you lose a ton of possible C-Bills.

So if you drop in a four man with 2 assualts a meduim and a light, how do you 'keep close to your lance'. If the scout is doing his job, he is not usually near you til late game...if there is a late game.

S

Again, I like the direction they are going. I don't like the current results.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Feetwet, on 22 October 2014 - 06:40 AM, said:

And that's fine. Added rewards for behavior that you want to see is fine. The problem is, in the group queue, it is not uncommon for more casual players in smaller groups to get the p1ss beat out of them. 12-2, 12-0, 12-1. You played well congrats here are your bonus rewards. Perfect, but why did mine have to get penalized.

I play a few times a month with some buddies. I'm not new but I'm not very good. Now I can't make any space cash. If you don't want me and people like me as content, fine just say so. My guestion to you is...

'Shouldn't this game be rewarding to ALL LEVELS of play?'

or

'Is this game truely only for the elite? No one else need apply?'

S

Maybe tonight I will try and break out my FS to see if I can reap some of these new light rewards.

Protip: some of these 300+k matches were also done using my phoenix shadowhawk and Founder's Atlas. Some of my 210-250k matches were done with an HBK-4P and a RVN-3L. In solo queue.

And my losses? Still cleared 120-170k.

Aggressive, proactive, team play now has consistently and considerably better payout over hanging out in the back waiting for the enemy to make the first move.

[Lord de Seis]

They are going to be looking at the data today and will be making changes, it is just some short term pain.

[Feetwet]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 22 October 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

Protip: some of these 300+k matches were also done using my phoenix shadowhawk and Founder's Atlas. Some of my 210-250k matches were done with an HBK-4P and a RVN-3L. In solo queue.

And my losses? Still cleared 120-170k.

Aggressive, proactive, team play now has consistently and considerably better payout over hanging out in the back waiting for the enemy to make the first move.

So are all of these matches in the solo queue? What are your results in the group queue...are they similar?

Tonight I am going to try my firestarter in the solo queue and see if my results improve. The solo queue has, in the past, given me better matches than the group queue. My FS is also fully mastered unlike my basic stormcrow which is my very first experience with clan mechs.

S

[Revis Volek]

Dunno what everyone is having an issue with....i had a game in my Cent i made 243,000 and 4,000 EXP! (with premium time)

Seems to be working just fine for me!

[Revis Volek]

Feetwet, on 22 October 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Are you physically trying to misunderstand me?

My point is:

People should be matched up against people of similar skill. This does not seem to happen at least for me in the group queue. Now this is either a broken MM or a player base that is too small.

If it is a matter of the player base being to small, these changes may drive away less skilled players. Now maybe you are ok with that. Maybe you believe there will always be an influx of new players to fill the void.

I don't have the time too 'get gud' and I was ok with that when I could still have the hope of buying new mechs every once in a while. Take away that and I don't see the point.

I am not going to run away screaming after one day but if there are not some adjustments I can't see me continuing with a grind that was already brutal for me. But even in the 2 wins out of I think 9 games last night, one where I went 2k 5a and lived, I never broke 80k (standard mech, no premium). If those totals had been much higher, the loses wouldn;t have seemed so bad.

S

You dont need to "get gud" ,as you so eloquently put it, you just need to change you play style. Shoot what your team mates are shooting, stay close to your lance, when you see a back shot make sure you take it (flanking reward now). If you are in a Medium use some hit and run tactics they are also a reward now.

You just need to learn to play the game the way it SUPPOSE to be played. I know you dont want to hear that but there is a way to beat games and a way to lose at them. Just like any other game out there...Just go over the rewards list and what you need to do to earn them. It isnt hard i literally made NO CHANGES to my play style and i am rolling in it!

Had my CN9-AH basic skills done in 5 matches last night!

Edited by DarthRevis, 22 October 2014 - 07:19 AM.

[Jun Watarase]

I have no idea how people are making such low c-bill amounts. Both my wins and losses are giving me significantly higher c-bills on average. The only exception is that doing massive amounts of damage nets you roughly the same level as before, at least on conquest. Getting "most damage" "killing blow" and "solo kill" is very important if you are playing an assault.

But making money in mediums has been so much easier. I managed to get up to 200k with no bonuses, which has never happened before except with a founders mech bonus.

The major flaw in the reward system is the relatively short engangement period time that seriously penalizes taking cover to cooldown. The lance formation is also a problem because terrain may force your lance to move slightly apart and deprive you of the bonus and sometimes splitting up the lance so that someone can flank is a good idea, but that penalizes the entire lance as they no longer get the lance formation bonus. It also means that the whole lance has to engage at the same distance....if a lancemate wants to be 300m away firing LRMs, the rest of the lance is penalized by not getting the lance formation bonus.

I honestly dont get the people who are saying the rewards now are too high either. Seriously? 180+ matches on average to afford a direwolf is not bad enough?

[Feetwet]

DarthRevis, on 22 October 2014 - 07:19 AM, said:

You dont need to "get gud" ,as you so eloquently put it, you just need to change you play style. Shoot what your team mates are shooting, stay close to your lance, when you see a back shot make sure you take it (flanking reward now). If you are in a Medium use some hit and run tactics they are also a reward now.

You just need to learn to play the game the way it SUPPOSE to be played. I know you dont want to hear that but there is a way to beat games and a way to lose at them. Just like any other game out there...Just go over the rewards list and what you need to do to earn them. It isnt hard i literally made NO CHANGES to my play style and i am rolling in it!

Had my CN9-AH basic skills done in 5 matches last night!

Last night was a red mist night and may have been entirely caused by my luck with matches. I had a string of stunningly bad loses in the group queue last night where I was dead...almost immediately, no matter what I tried. These nights happen, and are extremely frustrating. The cbill rates made it even worse.

The thing that surprised me most is the items listed seemed to line up with what I was already doing in my mediums but I wasn't seeing the results. I wasn't seeing the results because I kept stumbling into the OPFORs assault battery and getting obliterated. I'll try again this evening, maybe in the solo queue.

[TamCoan]

The OP has a valid point with regards to new/lower skilled players. Putting them into a position where they can't earn income to fuel their mech purchases/upgrades will cause a number of them to leave. While it's easy to sit up on top of a hill of cbills and tell those at the bottom that it isn't that bad, it will hurt the community as a whole if they feel constantly punished while trying to learn the game.

I'd like to see something like a minimum value for wins/losses put into place. Something like 60k win/40k loss minimum. So even if you get curb stomped, at least you made a little bit of cash and don't feel that bad.

[Revis Volek]

Feetwet, on 22 October 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

Last night was a red mist night and may have been entirely caused by my luck with matches. I had a string of stunningly bad loses in the group queue last night where I was dead...almost immediately, no matter what I tried. These nights happen, and are extremely frustrating. The cbill rates made it even worse.

The thing that surprised me most is the items listed seemed to line up with what I was already doing in my mediums but I wasn't seeing the results. I wasn't seeing the results because I kept stumbling into the OPFORs assault battery and getting obliterated. I'll try again this evening, maybe in the solo queue.

I was in Solo until i saw what i had to do to get these rewards....in my mediums seemed like everything i did was giving me money! i was loving it! If you are having issues with the group you are currently in you can always drop with guys in Strana Mechty (even kno we are dirty clammers!) and just see what we do. Might help to learn from doing rather then reading....depends on you.

If i can i will try to document a little better how i am getting the rewards....

http://mwomercs.com/...eak-hub-server/

[Joseph Mallan]

Feetwet, on 22 October 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

Are you physically trying to misunderstand me?

My point is:

People should be matched up against people of similar skill. This does not seem to happen at least for me in the group queue. Now this is either a broken MM or a player base that is too small.

If it is a matter of the player base being to small, these changes may drive away less skilled players. Now maybe you are ok with that. Maybe you believe there will always be an influx of new players to fill the void.

I don't have the time too 'get gud' and I was ok with that when I could still have the hope of buying new mechs every once in a while. Take away that and I don't see the point.

I am not going to run away screaming after one day but if there are not some adjustments I can't see me continuing with a grind that was already brutal for me. But even in the 2 wins out of I think 9 games last night, one where I went 2k 5a and lived, I never broke 80k (standard mech, no premium). If those totals had been much higher, the loses wouldn;t have seemed so bad.

S

You are matched up according to your Groups Averaged Elo Which may or may not be the same as your personal Elo. So if you are the Low man You will not have as good of a game, you will not make as much reward. You will however get to laugh and joke with your friends about how crap you are doing.

I go into the Group Que expecting to run into some very stiff competition because many of the Lawmen are high Elo's than I am. So When I see Lords, Seraphim or Jags on the other team I know I will not be likely to make a good haul. But I still have fun cause... Well we are a bunch of Punch drunken killers in real life, or as in my case, was one.

[Feetwet]

TamCoan, on 22 October 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

The OP has a valid point with regards to new/lower skilled players. Putting them into a position where they can't earn income to fuel their mech purchases/upgrades will cause a number of them to leave. While it's easy to sit up on top of a hill of cbills and tell those at the bottom that it isn't that bad, it will hurt the community as a whole if they feel constantly punished while trying to learn the game.

I'd like to see something like a minimum value for wins/losses put into place. Something like 60k win/40k loss minimum. So even if you get curb stomped, at least you made a little bit of cash and don't feel that bad.

This is all I am saying. If you want added bonuses for higher skilled players or well played matches I am all for that. I am not against skilled play garnering you higher rewards...more power to you. I just don't want to see my meager earnings slashed.

I am also for the added bonuses for lights because they really have been getting shafted for months.

S

[Scratx]

TamCoan, on 22 October 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

The OP has a valid point with regards to new/lower skilled players. Putting them into a position where they can't earn income to fuel their mech purchases/upgrades will cause a number of them to leave. While it's easy to sit up on top of a hill of cbills and tell those at the bottom that it isn't that bad, it will hurt the community as a whole if they feel constantly punished while trying to learn the game.

I'd like to see something like a minimum value for wins/losses put into place. Something like 60k win/40k loss minimum. So even if you get curb stomped, at least you made a little bit of cash and don't feel that bad.

This is the big problem with the new system. It's calibrated to not give significantly more c-bills overall to the player base than it used to, but by allowing much higher reward swings (aka the good players getting more) it has to go rob Peter to pay Paul. In other words, the lower end loses out.

Unfortunately, the lower end is where people who aren't invested in the game start out.

The lower end needs an uplift far more than the higher end needs awesome rewards.

But, I admit I love getting good rewards for playing the game as it should be played. That's GOOD.

PGI's going to have a balancing tight-rope show here.

[Joseph Mallan]

Feetwet, on 22 October 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

This is all I am saying. If you want added bonuses for higher skilled players or well played matches I am all for that. I am not against skilled play garnering you higher rewards...more power to you. I just don't want to see my meager earnings slashed.

I am also for the added bonuses for lights because they really have been getting shafted for months.

S

I just looked, I have an average of 84K per match. Last night I got that Losing, and dying... I guess I don't understand wanting good rewards for losing and dying.

[Feetwet]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 October 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

You are matched up according to your Groups Averaged Elo Which may or may not be the same as your personal Elo. So if you are the Low man You will not have as good of a game, you will not make as much reward. You will however get to laugh and joke with your friends about how crap you are doing.

I go into the Group Que expecting to run into some very stiff competition because many of the Lawmen are high Elo's than I am. So When I see Lords, Seraphim or Jags on the other team I know I will not be likely to make a good haul. But I still have fun cause... Well we are a bunch of Punch drunken killers in real life, or as in my case, was one.

Yep, and I understand this. And for the most part I accept it but you have to admit it can be extremely frustrating. The double wammie of a cbill hit just adds insult to injury. Or however you say that.

But also the group queue has a real problem dealing with ELO. My groups ELO may be higher than my personal, but in order to line up the stars for anyone to get a match in the group queue, the limits (ELO and rule of 3) has to be relaxed. This can lead to nights like I had last night...and the red mist ensues.

S

[Aresye]

3 games last night in a 4 LPL Warhawk. Lowest I got was 240,000 (w/ premium time).

I just stuck with the team and put down as much damage as I could.

Problem?

[Dazzer]

Well I like the new system , my C-bills is a little up and I enjoy seeing the rewards coming up on screen. I play Medium´s and get 100K a match quite offten , I tend to stick the the assaults early game lock targets and protect they flanks.

Later at the match breaks down I look for member of our team that going 1 on one with a bad guy and join up with him to take down the bad guy.

seems to work