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[Golden Vulf]

Yoseful Mallad, on 25 October 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

thats an issue PGI needs to correct with lag and speed on lights. Once that is corrected, people should have no issue taking out faster lighter "big bad mean lag mech".

I never use BAP and I don't have any issue killing lights, lag or not.

It's about being able to counter their ecm so your team doesn't get shot in the back and then up shooting eachother in a panic.

[Moonlander]

sneeking, on 25 October 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

there's nothing wrong with people having fun.

sneeking, on 25 October 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

am I not permitted to have fun in crazy builds and throw all care of winning out the window in solo que ?

oh man

drop in groups if it matters so much.

if I dropped in a group id behave differently.

So, you pride yourself on ruining the game for others who don't have a group to drop with or maybe, just the time... because you want to exploit a newly implemented rewards system? Let me guess, you would also suggest we blame PGI? Anyone with a loadout like the OP suggested is a burden, an exploiter and is intentionally trolling their team.

Drop in a group if you want to be useless. Let your friends deal with your ignorance.

I do agree. You shouldn't be able to equip more than 1 NARC or TAG. I'm sure this wasn't expected of people but again, how could it not be. Gaming communities contain some of the most foul creatures to inhabit the internet. It probably was never the intention of PGI and was just an oversight.

[Wintersdark]

Yoseful Mallad, on 25 October 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

i did drop in a group. Me and 3 others drops in as a lance. But we should not have to be penalized because 2 guys on our team "want to have fun" and not contribute to the team. People are not doing this just to have fun, they are doing this to farm. I'm not asking PGI to restrict weapons or modules or make hard point sizes and so on. But if its fair that ECM is variant specific on only on a select few mechs, I think its only fair that this other specialty equipment (TAG, BAP, NARC and so on... Get the same treatment, to stop people from abusing it.

They're not doing it to farm. Or, if they are, they're stupid because it doesn't work that way. People say all sorts of things that are simply, provably wrong.

*IF* multiple tag lasers was giving multiple bonuses, that would be a huge problem that needs addressing. No doubt.

But people where taking 13-tag Nova's before now, and they took 9-tag hunchbacks before that.

Because people suck, and lots are selfish ******** who are only concerned with their own fun and don't care about the other 23 (or, in your example, 22) people in the match.

Here. I'll drop in my HBK-4P, with 3 tag lasers and 6 mediums. I'll still contribute, but I'll only TAG-Kill one mech. We'll see if I'm rewarded for just one or more, and we can put the claims of exploits to rest.

The problem I have with the exploit claims is that people read these threads, then assert these exploits exist elsewhere, and vice versa. Then you've got ever more people trying it out (like I'm going to have to do to test)... because they "keep reading about it on the forums".

Misinformation is harmful.

[Aresye]

sneeking, on 25 October 2014 - 06:57 AM, said:

am I not permitted to have fun in crazy builds and throw all care of winning out the window in solo que ?

oh man

drop in groups if it matters so much.

if I dropped in a group id behave differently.

Quite the opposite. You should be the one dropping in groups, or private matches.

If you want to take a completely useless build and throw the game, at least do it with a group that doesn't mind.

You're basically saying, "My fun is more important than the other 11 people on my team." Ever think those 11 other solo players might not be too fond of having to play a harder game by picking up the load you created with a joke build?

[Unnatural Growth]

Vassago Rain, on 25 October 2014 - 07:22 AM, said:

Everytime someone drops in an LRM atlas, Jesus cries.

Can I steal that?

[Koda Shy]

if I see a build like that on my team, ill shoot their arms off and leg their stupid ass.

I have no problem taking a team kill for an a$$hat ..... Ive done it before, and I sure as hell will do it again.

Edited by Koda Shy, 25 October 2014 - 11:11 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Wintersdark, on 25 October 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

Here. I'll drop in my HBK-4P, with 3 tag lasers and 6 mediums. I'll still contribute, but I'll only TAG-Kill one mech. We'll see if I'm rewarded for just one or more, and we can put the claims of exploits to rest.

Well, working at it, but having a ridiculously hard time getting clear results (too much going on). Definitely not getting multiple TAG-Kills for multi-tagged mechs dying, but can neither confirm nor deny TAG-Damage bonuses. People don't tend to cooperate when you're trying to kill them.

I wish this could be testing in a private match.

Sadly, I don't have enough c-bills (any, right now) to buy sufficient CTAG's for a Nova to try something more clearcut like 6 TAG's alongside proper weapons.

However, things do seem pretty much like you're not getting more bonuses for more TAG's.

[Wintersdark]

o0Marduk0o, on 25 October 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

DO YOU get the bonus for all of them? Is it confirmed?

Ok, after several runs:

No. Multiple TAG lasers:

1) Only award a single TAG-KILL when the target is killed, and
2) Reward set TAG-DAMAGE regardless of the number of tags.

Testing methodology (oOMardukOo was present for the baseline test)

Locust 3M w/ 3xTAG 2xML.

Baseline test:
Illuminate target with a single TAG laser, burn inside 270m for full beam. Awarded roughly 350 cbills. I did this multiple times, each time being awarded 350 cbills (+/- 5; presumably due to laser hitreg or some other wierdness)
Illuminate a single target in the match with 1 TAG laser while he died, confirmed awarded TAG KILL bonus.

MultiTAG test:
Illuminate target with three TAG lasers, burn inside 270 for full beam. Awarded roughly 350 cbills, again +/- 5 or so. Several attempts, all consistent.
Illuminate target with three TAG lasers as he dies, confirm award for TAG-KILL. End of match, single TAG KILL award.

Incidentally, but not focus-tested: TAG spotting seemed to work correctly (re: indentically, regardless of number of tag lasers).


Thus, my conclusion: Using multiple TAG lasers in no way benefits you, short of I suppose maintaining TAG if you lose one of the weapons somehow.

[o0Marduk0o]

Wintersdark, on 25 October 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Thus, my conclusion: Using multiple TAG lasers in no way benefits you, short of I suppose maintaining TAG if you lose one of the weapons somehow.

A few seconds ago I got the loading screen tip that "multiple TAG lasers dont stack their bonuses together".

[Mystere]

Yoseful Mallad, on 25 October 2014 - 09:45 AM, said:

To those saying I'm overreacting...

Yes you are. It was done by a pair of players enjoying their unique form of fun in a game.

And this was just because of a single incident.

Yoseful Mallad, on 25 October 2014 - 09:45 AM, said:

I'm sorry, I don't complain about much but this kind of needless boating of equipment (overpowered or not, just for a laugh or not) is just not at all needed. If people are that board as one guy said... How about go play something else that might be more entertaining to you? Just a thought.

They were already entertaining themselves. As such, maybe someone else needs to chill out or "go play something else that might be more entertaining to you?".

Do you see how it can work both ways?

Edited by Mystere, 25 October 2014 - 12:29 PM.

[Mystere]

Moonlander, on 25 October 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

You shouldn't be able to equip more than 1 NARC or TAG.

Ahem. There are legitimate reasons for doing so. As such, I give you a big fat "NO!" to that.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

One of the things I really wish PGI would do before they change stuff. Is go how can this be abused?

And make sure it can't But no we get change after change because they do not think things all the way through before pushing it out the door.

[Mystere]

Aresye, on 25 October 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

You're basically saying, "My fun is more important than the other 11 people on my team." Ever think those 11 other solo players might not be too fond of having to play a harder game by picking up the load you created with a joke build?

As a purely solo player, I honestly would laugh out loud if I see such shenanigans from time to time. But then again I have always been a special snowflake ( ) and as such YMMV.

[o0Marduk0o]

Bartholomew bartholomew, on 25 October 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

One of the things I really wish PGI would do before they change stuff. Is go how can this be abused?

And make sure it can't But no we get change after change because they do not think things all the way through before pushing it out the door.

You know that TAG can't be abused?

[Wintersdark]

Bartholomew bartholomew, on 25 October 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

One of the things I really wish PGI would do before they change stuff. Is go how can this be abused?

And make sure it can't But no we get change after change because they do not think things all the way through before pushing it out the door.

It can't be abused.

[Cerlin]

Trolls will troll. The are annoying but thqts the internet.

The idea to limit ewar to chassis sucks and I will not support pgi implementing it just because the op is sad. The troll will just switch builds to keep trolling. Do not let them win and make us all lose customization options. I love to use bap on most my mechs because most lights even do not use them. If you force those to only be on certain mechs then we will see them even less than now and this really only helps ecm mechs which do not need more buffs.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

I am talking about how the reward change has lots of people carrying tag now for the Cbills. Not to help locks at all. Just for the money.

A multi-tag build is pretty much a LOL build for the most part anyways.

[RazorbeastFXK3]

This guy with this box? https://i.chzbgr.com...6704/h32FE7A78/

Wiley Coyote, on 25 October 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

Isn't he the guy that has the magic box I've seen mentioned on the forums?

It would be nice if the game didn't allow anyone to enter battle without some sort of weapon equipped that dealt damage to another 'mech aside from being able to hump them (ramming another 'mech to deal damage) to death.

But.. as long as we have the freedom to enter battles with just NARC and/or TAG and/or AMS and/or ECM then.. why complain? "I COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY COULD'VE DROPPED IN MY TEAM!" well.. not everyone is able to catch the bus at the time it's expected to arrive. "WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!?" It means common sense isn't all that common.

[Seigaku]

I can't believe you people still talk about "PGI will fix this eventually" or stuff like that.

The ONLY thing that these devs do, is release mechs and premium colors.

[Coolant]

In MW4:Mercs you could set up invidivual servers with any settings you wanted to. If you wanted games that were 1st Person or 3rd Person only you could force that by selecting that option as host. Want stock mechs only? You could do that. What NHUA or just NH or UA (No heat, Unlimited Ammo), select that setting. Want brawler only weapons? You could even restrict individual weapons. You could even restrict the way radar worked.

Since there is no option for that in Public matches, PGI should do something about it. Don't allow more than one TAG. I personally think there should be 2 though in case one torso/arm gets blown off a mech could still have another...

Edited by Coolant, 25 October 2014 - 01:33 PM.