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[Deathlike]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

It really isnt an edge. A few % is meaningless. Even more meaningless on a vast array of chassis.

It's not a few %. When you speak of these things, you clearly don't maximize the details.

I know the difference between a mastered Cicada, vs the trial Cicada. The difference is NIGHT AND DAY. Whether you choose you realize this is not my concern.

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50% heat efficiency would make a difference. 15% doesnt 9 times out of 10, and the rest of the skills are purely up to your mech choice. As said. No lower actuator in your arms? No arm mounted weapons? Then whats the point of arm speed.

More torso twist? I love people who twist all the way around so I get more flanking shots and back hits. People throwing their torsos around like mad to splash damage? Theyre reaccquiring me while im dakka'ing them. They fire far less often than their cooldown because theyre busy trying to absorb damage instead of kill me.

Theres alot of people in this game, who think they know what theyre doing, and they dont. I love seeing the maniacs torso twisting to "splash damage".

Dude your CT is as big as a house no matter what you drive. If I cant hit that at close range I need to just stop playing MWO. You twisting all over the place just makes me laugh and makes it so I exit the fight with more armor than I would had you just blasted at me while I cored you.

I love stalkers, dires, timbys, shadowhawks, hunchbacks, and ravens that torso twist rather than shoot back to avoid damage.

Those guys are bad.

Obviously, you are not playing the same game I am, so I'll leave it at that.

[SpeedingBus]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

And of course you can always pay.

Why? I am not buying a hero mech because they are extremely over priced and if you disagree money must mean nothing to you. Also with me making less with the new reward system it actually makes less sense buying premium right now.

[KraftySOT]

And seriously how fast do you want people getting into a direwolf?

You guys refuse to accept that if a player comes here, understands what he's doing, he's never going to buy anything but the best mech, and that takes him a month to two months of casual play to get...and then he's done. Welcome to the end game. Nothing else exists for you but the modules for the loadout you want. Youre at the end. Youve beat the dragon. Youve saved the princess.

Now you delete the game and move on. Because youve seen all its content thats worthwhile.

Thats the whole point of quirks. No one is driving these old mechs because A) theyre bad, and theres no incentive to since you can go straight from Trial, to the best mech in the game. If you stopped off at a Hunchback like I did...thats on you, just like it was on me.

I didnt come into the forums and whine about the grind because the Hunchback was terrible. I pulled up my bootstraps, read the forums, and figured out the K2 was pretty good for a noob. So I bought it. It was good for sniping. Then when I was htting 50million cbills or so, I figured. I want something new. I read about the Wubshee. I bought them. Elited it. Enjoyed that quite a while. Still have the 3E for Wub and PPFLD.

How fast do YOU think a new player should be able to get into a Direwolf and get bored eh?

Deathlike, on 26 October 2014 - 12:38 PM, said:

It's not a few %. When you speak of these things, you clearly don't maximize the details.

I know the difference between a mastered Cicada, vs the trial Cicada. The difference is NIGHT AND DAY. Whether you choose you realize this is not my concern.
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The only difference is the loadout.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/statistics

Go here. Find cicada. Profit.

No basic, elite, or master required.

SpeedingBus, on 26 October 2014 - 12:38 PM, said:

Why? I am not buying a hero mech because they are extremely over priced and if you disagree money must mean nothing to you. Also with me making less with the new reward system it actually makes less sense buying premium right now.

Me either. Im with you here.

Im a freeloader. All the stuff is overpriced. So I play freeboat.

I make plenty, ive seen most of the games content. You guys are doing it wrong.

[Solidussnake]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

It really isnt an edge. A few % is meaningless. Even more meaningless on a vast array of chassis.

50% heat efficiency would make a difference. 15% doesnt 9 times out of 10, and the rest of the skills are purely up to your mech choice. As said. No lower actuator in your arms? No arm mounted weapons? Then whats the point of arm speed.

More torso twist? I love people who twist all the way around so I get more flanking shots and back hits. People throwing their torsos around like mad to splash damage? Theyre reaccquiring me while im dakka'ing them. They fire far less often than their cooldown because theyre busy trying to absorb damage instead of kill me.

Theres alot of people in this game, who think they know what theyre doing, and they dont. I love seeing the maniacs torso twisting to "splash damage".

Dude your CT is as big as a house no matter what you drive. If I cant hit that at close range I need to just stop playing MWO. You twisting all over the place just makes me laugh and makes it so I exit the fight with more armor than I would had you just blasted at me while I cored you.

I love stalkers, dires, timbys, shadowhawks, hunchbacks, and ravens that torso twist rather than shoot back to avoid damage.

Those guys are bad.



Thats why I said average.

I make 400k in my Raven.

I make 100k in my Shadowhawk.

I make about 180 in my Banshee.

Ill make 17 million cbills by the middle of the week if im trying. Ill just narc/tag for three days straight.

You make 400K in a raven for running around tagging everything and sniping for the flanking bonuses and what not. So congrates , what you are saying then is "Hey guys, no seriously to make money do what I do /win " . Maybe everyone doesn't want to run around in a raven.. (Jenner for me) Tagging everything. That gets old. Quick. Not to mention again new players.. who have.. yes sadly.. stood in range of one of my mechs with a heavy loadout... and well. I'm sure you can imagine how that ended. Point being is we need more of them so I don't have to wait 1 ~ 3min to find a match.

Edited by Solidussnake, 26 October 2014 - 12:43 PM.

[Nick Makiaveli]

"Grinded" is not a word. If you grind C-bills, then when you are done you have ground C-bills. This is what happens when you try to use slang in ways in which it wasn't intended.

That said. No need to get pissy with each other. State your case and move on. PGI sees numbers that we don't, and they can monitor the progress of both new and current players etc.

At first my C-bills took a dive. With the 30% from the new mechs I was getting less than before with no bonus. Then I learned the new system, and try to get those rewards for position etc.

It is what it is, and it isn't forever. Repair and Rearm anyone?

[PappySmurf]

solidussnake said (And this is why your post are irrelevant, you feel for yourself that the earnings per match are "fine" as they are. Because its not going to take 33 hours to buy one. Sure 33 hours of straight wins. So now lets go ahead and say you make 70k when you lose because your team gets aced? suddenly 33 hours becomes 45+ And lets not even begin to talk about customizing that mech. Which becomes a month and a half. 2? Maybe longer?

You expect all the people attempting to join our community to just get over it?

We need new players to keep this game alive and thriving. Not people who play for a month and say screw it. Why am I going to play a game for an entire month to get 1 mech.

You can't expect new players to get over it and become top tier players in a month before they they realize there is more fun to be had with less grind in more games.

Did you not see where post where to customize that wolf takes alot more then 33 hours? It takes 33 to buy one. And what another 10 hours to be able to customize it. )
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Me and my brother saw this same thing at the start of closed beta we tried to tell RUSS & Brian & PGI through forum articles but just like now they blew it off and proceeded with there WOT clone which we now call MWO.

All I can say is the game has gone down hill so far it might not survive another 6 months with a 1% growth rate of new players that actually stay for 6+ months over the last 6 months.

Edited by PappySmurf, 26 October 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[Deathlike]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

The only difference is the loadout.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/statistics

Go here. Find cicada. Profit.

No basic, elite, or master required.

It's not the loadout. It's the difference between allowing yourself to be more aggressive, and evading one less shot.

If you don't maximize your mech, it's the difference between calling out other people for "somehow" being better than you or being able to "do more" than your opponent that didn't bother to elite it out.

Edited by Deathlike, 26 October 2014 - 12:44 PM.

[TimePeriod]

1 victory for me is about 100-150k.
1 defeat is about 50k ish.

[KraftySOT]

And seriously you guys are mind bendingly obtuse.

The reason the Trial Cicada is horrible is its loadout. Buy it, put in max engine, max armor, some laser vomit, go to town. Basics are all youll ever need. Dont bother mastering that chassis, its pointless. Its wasting your cbills that you think are limited.


And that too...for godsake look at yourself. You are your own problems.

You buy all these useless modules, get killed, then complain the cbills are too low. !??!?! Stop buying useless crap and youll have ALOT more cbills.

"Oh I bought a Commando an XL engine, and an ERLL to put it on it with advanced zoom...it cost 15 million cbills..the grind is too long"

Stop buying commandos. The solution to your problems are within your hands.

But.

Obama voters.

Solidussnake, on 26 October 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

You make 400K in a raven for running around tagging everything and sniping for the flanking bonuses and what not. So congrates , what you are saying then is "Hey guys, no seriously to make money do what I do /win " . Maybe everyone doesn't want to run around in a raven.. (Jenner for me) Tagging everything. That gets old. Quick. Not to mention again new players.. who have.. yes sadly.. stood in range of one of my mechs with a heavy loadout... and well. I'm sure you can imagine how that ended. Point being is we need more of them so I don't have to wait 1 ~ 3min to find a match.

I dont want to run around in a Raven all the time either. I just do it to print money. Farming. That I happen to help my teammates now when I do that is nice. I like the new rewards for that.

But if you dont do that. Thats your fault. Not the systems fault.

Thats like saying you didnt pick up all the free money in the box, because youve never really been a fan of cardboard.

Suck it up dude and get a cbill printing machine. Theyre less than 5 mill after upgrades. FFS man.

And I blame all of this on MTV and your horrible hippy parents.

My generation wasnt this entitled, lazy, dense, obtuse, and picky.

Edited by KraftySOT, 26 October 2014 - 12:48 PM.

[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

And seriously how fast do you want people getting into a direwolf?

You guys refuse to accept that if a player comes here, understands what he's doing, he's never going to buy anything but the best mech, and that takes him a month to two months of casual play to get...and then he's done. Welcome to the end game. Nothing else exists for you but the modules for the loadout you want. Youre at the end. Youve beat the dragon. Youve saved the princess.

Now you delete the game and move on. Because youve seen all its content thats worthwhile.

Thats the whole point of quirks. No one is driving these old mechs because A) theyre bad, and theres no incentive to since you can go straight from Trial, to the best mech in the game. If you stopped off at a Hunchback like I did...thats on you, just like it was on me.

I didnt come into the forums and whine about the grind because the Hunchback was terrible. I pulled up my bootstraps, read the forums, and figured out the K2 was pretty good for a noob. So I bought it. It was good for sniping. Then when I was htting 50million cbills or so, I figured. I want something new. I read about the Wubshee. I bought them. Elited it. Enjoyed that quite a while. Still have the 3E for Wub and PPFLD.

How fast do YOU think a new player should be able to get into a Direwolf and get bored eh?



The only difference is the loadout.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/statistics

Go here. Find cicada. Profit.

No basic, elite, or master required.



Me either. Im with you here.

Im a freeloader. All the stuff is overpriced. So I play freeboat.

I make plenty, ive seen most of the games content. You guys are doing it wrong.

Your first lines always seem to completely kill any credit or any thing you say in the next 50 lines....

Speaking as a new player when I was considered one in this game.... I could care less about the "BEST" build or "BEST" mech some might consider them to be. I wouldn't want to go out and get that dire whale just because it is considered the best. I want a mix of mechs in my stable..... I want to find the mechs that suit my style of play, what ever it may be. I guess PGI should take that Dire off the trial list than if we take what your saying seriously, which I can't..

Why can't I take your ideas and opinion seriously, let alone even respect them? If the dire is the best, and its in the trial bay for anyone to try, new players would be mopping up all of our a$$es in this game, lol..... funny I don't ever see that happen. In fact, I see a lot of Dire whales getting taken out by a very large mix of different mechs..... yes even the LOCUST, when you have skilled pilots that have found a level of comfort with a given chassis, things start to become fun for all.

And back to the core problem with the painful grind, It simply doesn't allow any of us to progress fast enough to try out very many mechs with C-bills. This is a very big problem to motivate and let new and veterans alike to find mechs that they really can shine in and contribute their best to the team. Isn't this the ideal experience we want to give all in this game?

[KraftySOT]

Deathlike, on 26 October 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

It's not the loadout. It's the difference between allowing yourself to be more aggressive, and evading one less shot.

If you don't maximize your mech, it's the difference between calling out other people for "somehow" being better than you or being able to "do more" than your opponent that didn't bother to elite it out.

Why on earth would you be aggressive in a Cicada.

Its entirely the loadout. The overall % of boost you get out of the skills that are applicable to your ride, pale in comparison to a meta build vs a crap load out/trial/stock.

When you get a meta vs a meta, the small percentage of advantage you have over him statistically, is completely nullified by skill.

I see trial Direwolves **** people all the time. Usually its a good player whose just lulzing around in it for a change of pace. Theyre better in their trial rides, than many custom Dire's ive seen, simply because theyre bad loadouts. Not because they werent mastered.

Mr Beefy, on 26 October 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Your first lines always seem to completely kill any credit or any thing you say in the next 50 lines....

Speaking as a new player when I was considered one in this game.... I could care less about the "BEST" build or "BEST" mech some might consider them to be. I wouldn't want to go out and get that dire whale just because it is considered the best. I want a mix of mechs in my stable..... I want to find the mechs that suit my style of play, what ever it may be. I guess PGI should take that Dire off the trial list than if we take what your saying seriously, which I can't..

Why can't I take your ideas and opinion seriously, let alone even respect them? If the dire is the best, and its in the trial bay for anyone to try, new players would be mopping up all of our a$$es in this game, lol..... funny I don't ever see that happen. In fact, I see a lot of Dire whales getting taken out by a very large mix of different mechs..... yes even the LOCUST, when you have skilled pilots that have found a level of comfort with a given chassis, things start to become fun for all.

And back to the core problem with the painful grind, It simply doesn't allow any of us to progress fast enough to try out very many mechs with C-bills. This is a very big problem to motivate and let new and veterans alike to find mechs that they really can shine in and contribute their best to the team. Isn't this the ideal experience we want to give all in this game?

Oh but they do. I see noobs in Trial Dires all the time getting several kills and alot of damage. Its a great ride even trial.

Maybe you forgot that before the Atlas S, there was a 60% assault queue, and 3 dires in every match, two of them usually being trial.

Edited by KraftySOT, 26 October 2014 - 01:00 PM.

[Prezimonto]

SpeedingBus, on 25 October 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

Can't wait to hear more people oh well I earn 200k+ in all my games congrats you've learned to game the system or your very lucky. Here's a game I just played yesterday with my Stormcrow didn't even come close to 200k.

I have considered that level of cbill earning (150k range) excellent for over a year, with no mech or premium bonuses. I don't understand the gripe if that's normal earnings without bonuses (which you can pay money to obtain). If I'm managing an average of around 100k per match, without boosts, (wins and losses) combined I think things are about fair. Most players can manage 4 to 5 matches an hour, so you can usually make around 1M cbills in about a 2 hour gaming session. Means a casual player, putting in a couple hours every other day can earn a new Heavy mech in about 6 sessions or perhaps every other week. Or a new medium mech in about week to week and a half, or a new light mech every week.

Look at the other end, the hardcore player will be playing 4+ hours at least 3 days a week... and will likely have either hero mechs or premium time or both for farming cash. 12 hours = about 6M without boosts... and with full boosts is 11.8M... or an assault mech every week.

Do I think they should have more lower cost options for players? Yes.
Do I think they should either slightly lower the cost of premium time or package it with a small MC bonus or other value item(gold consumables/paint color/bonus GXP or MC for GXP)? Yes.
Do I think earnings are wildly out of place for the pace of the game and given the total content currently in the game? No.

[KraftySOT]

And again...trying many mechs is a waste of time.

Alot of them are DOA.

Quirks may change all of this, and perhaps day 1 after quirks, you might be right. There might be enough mechs worth trying out to make the grind painful.

But you HAVE to realize, youre grinding just to grind. You dont HAVE to do that. Youre making your own problems. Nothing is stopping you from getting the best mech there is, always doing well because youre in a great mech, and never buying another mech, ever again other than out of personal preference.

You did this to yourself by wanting to Pokemon all these mechs and find which one suits your play style, rather than adapting your play style.

Your choice.

Not the systems fault.

[Lasertron3000]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

And seriously you guys are mind bendingly obtuse.

The reason the Trial Cicada is horrible is its loadout. Buy it, put in max engine, max armor, some laser vomit, go to town. Basics are all youll ever need. Dont bother mastering that chassis, its pointless. Its wasting your cbills that you think are limited.


And that too...for godsake look at yourself. You are your own problems.

You buy all these useless modules, get killed, then complain the cbills are too low. !??!?! Stop buying useless crap and youll have ALOT more cbills.

"Oh I bought a Commando an XL engine, and an ERLL to put it on it with advanced zoom...it cost 15 million cbills..the grind is too long"

Stop buying commandos. The solution to your problems are within your hands.

But.

Obama voters.



I dont want to run around in a Raven all the time either. I just do it to print money. Farming. That I happen to help my teammates now when I do that is nice. I like the new rewards for that.

But if you dont do that. Thats your fault. Not the systems fault.

Thats like saying you didnt pick up all the free money in the box, because youve never really been a fan of cardboard.

Suck it up dude and get a cbill printing machine. Theyre less than 5 mill after upgrades. FFS man.

And I blame all of this on MTV and your horrible hippy parents.

My generation wasnt this entitled, lazy, dense, obtuse, and picky.

So anyone who doesn't hold the same view as you is lazy, stupid, btw obtuse is just another word for stupid.
And just what is your generation? I would bet I'm older than you, probably by a good bit. Mid 50's btw.

[Prezimonto]

Deathlike, on 26 October 2014 - 12:38 PM, said:

It's not a few %. When you speak of these things, you clearly don't maximize the details.

I know the difference between a mastered Cicada, vs the trial Cicada. The difference is NIGHT AND DAY. Whether you choose you realize this is not my concern.

You should say Elited Cicada. The extra master slot is just icing compared to the 2x basics and speed tweak.

Honestly, I think they should get rid of 2x basics, and give each variant a custom skills set, perhaps even earn the quirks through that system.

[KraftySOT]

Do this three times, every three days, for three months.

Now you can buy an entire stable of mechs, barely interupting your "normal play".

This took no effort. All you have to do is play the deathball, do your "role" and get paid.

All these screenshots of tons of damage and assists...thats meaningless now. Thats not how it works anymore. Adapt.

And this is before I learned to flank, hit and run, and tag more. Im easily getting 200-250k now for less than 100 damage matches in lights. 300k if its conquest. 350+ if I can kill anything.

And only 1 spotting assist. Ive since learned to be the first to the enemy with my ECM, rapidly hit R and get 24k cbills, right off the bat first 45 seconds of the match.

Lasertron3000, on 26 October 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

So anyone who doesn't hold the same view as you is lazy, stupid, btw obtuse is just another word for stupid.
And just what is your generation? I would bet I'm older than you, probably by a good bit. Mid 50's btw.

Well were both the senior class of baby boomers then.

Prezimonto, on 26 October 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Honestly, I think they should get rid of 2x basics, and give each variant a custom skills set, perhaps even earn the quirks through that system.

This^

How anyone cant understand that mechs with no lower arm actuators can only elevate and lower their arms, get no benefit from arm speed is beyond me. If anything its annoying being that sensitive when youre trying to shoot down a UAV or that Spider on the tip top in Alpine or Terra.

So in say a Dual Gauss Jager...only two, of all the skills, actually benefit you.

They need custom trees for chassis. That would be REALLY rad.

Edited by KraftySOT, 26 October 2014 - 01:11 PM.

[SpeedingBus]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

And seriously you guys are mind bendingly obtuse.

The reason the Trial Cicada is horrible is its loadout. Buy it, put in max engine, max armor, some laser vomit, go to town. Basics are all youll ever need. Dont bother mastering that chassis, its pointless. Its wasting your cbills that you think are limited.


And that too...for godsake look at yourself. You are your own problems.

You buy all these useless modules, get killed, then complain the cbills are too low. !??!?! Stop buying useless crap and youll have ALOT more cbills.

"Oh I bought a Commando an XL engine, and an ERLL to put it on it with advanced zoom...it cost 15 million cbills..the grind is too long"

Stop buying commandos. The solution to your problems are within your hands.

But.

Obama voters.



I dont want to run around in a Raven all the time either. I just do it to print money. Farming. That I happen to help my teammates now when I do that is nice. I like the new rewards for that.

But if you dont do that. Thats your fault. Not the systems fault.

Thats like saying you didnt pick up all the free money in the box, because youve never really been a fan of cardboard.

Suck it up dude and get a cbill printing machine. Theyre less than 5 mill after upgrades. FFS man.

And I blame all of this on MTV and your horrible hippy parents.

My generation wasnt this entitled, lazy, dense, obtuse, and picky.

Do you have a problem? I mean seriously your applying politics to a video game forum and that whole generation thing is stupid and it just goes to shows how narrow minded you can be by applying those views to an entire generation of people.

[Sean von Steinike]

Cavale, on 25 October 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

New earning model encourages Deathball.

Deathball or no pay.

Those encourage air/artillery strikes. Haha.

[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 26 October 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Why on earth would you be aggressive in a Cicada.

Its entirely the loadout. The overall % of boost you get out of the skills that are applicable to your ride, pale in comparison to a meta build vs a crap load out/trial/stock.

When you get a meta vs a meta, the small percentage of advantage you have over him statistically, is completely nullified by skill.

I see trial Direwolves **** people all the time. Usually its a good player whose just lulzing around in it for a change of pace. Theyre better in their trial rides, than many custom Dire's ive seen, simply because theyre bad loadouts. Not because they werent mastered.



Oh but they do. I see noobs in Trial Dires all the time getting several kills and alot of damage. Its a great ride even trial.

Maybe you forgot that before the Atlas S, there was a 60% assault queue, and 3 dires in every match, two of them usually being trial.

LOL.... what part of you have lost the argument and all credit do you not understand.... I posted my earning in a match with out PT and Hero bonus of 4 kills, 6 assist and around 500 damage.... I made 138K and only 647 xp for the match and our team won. It was a very well team played match, we all worked together....... The earnings are simply painfully low by 30-50% across the board, and we lack any real motive and rewards for taking base's and cap wins. Some of us will not lower ourselves to exploit the old or even new system to bank what we would still consider and a fact not to be a 30-50% need hike in pay outs needed to end the painful grind we have now. It will not end a still very long grind, just the one that we all feel is not productive to help counter exploiters and farmers like you.

Edited by Mr Beefy, 26 October 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[KraftySOT]

Oh and that screen is pre hot fix.

So theyre even higher now.

I love. LOVE. Getting paid 150k for 69 damage while someone does 600 and makes 70k.

Teamplay man. Not solo play. Your last hits and vomit builds arent the cash machines they used to be. And you guys just...cant...figure it out.