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[Kirkland Langue]

Ok I just played a game and I'm curious how many C-Bills people think I earned.

The mech:
Timber C with 4x ERML and 2x SSRM-6 and Tag.
I am not running Premium.

The map:
Crimson Straight, Assault mode.

The outcome:
We won by Capture. Final Score was 11-6. I survived the battle, 2K 6A, 1176 Damage, 162 Match Score.

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The point of this is just to gauge people's expectations. There is a lot of discussion about the new reward system and whether it performs better, worse, or the same as the old one. Anyone who reads (and understands) my posts on the subject will know that I don't like the new system because I felt it was a waste of development time, but that I don't care one way or the other about whether it's paying out more or less than before.

So - guess the C-bill's earned for this battle.

EDIT - added the Tag on there, almost forgot that I had one.

Edited by Kirkland Langue, 28 October 2014 - 09:38 PM.

[Budor]

223,564 cbills, your timberwolf was red and white and you had the sonic boom warhorn equipped while listening to kenny loggins - danger zone and not drinking vanilla chai

[Greenjulius]

If you tagged every one of those assists and kills on death, that would be 48000 alone. Likely you weren't able to with the assists, so probably more like 24000.

I am guessing 168k.

[Bill Lumbar]

146,259 628 xp

Let me know when I get my prize....

Old system I am guessing it would of paid 220k or so 1100xp

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 28 October 2014 - 10:59 PM.

[LORD TSARKON]

I"m going to guess 250k

[Livewyr]

I am going to guess somewhere around 150k...but that has a pretty wide margin of error since I do not know the nature of the kills (solo or not) nor do I know how often you got "most damage" on assist..

for that matter I don't know if you stayed with the team.

Playing like I do? That would result in about 200k subtotal. Playing Rambo, that would result in somewhere around 90-100k, I think.

[Lily from animove]

depends on how often you capped and tagged.

between 150k and 350k depending on how cap and tag dedictaed you were. The curent system is extremely unstable with the rewards, its very much luck based.

Tag a guy, lrms are incoming, lose the tag on him, laods of lrms do dmaage, no rewards.
Loads of missiles incoming, tag the guy right before they impact, massive rewards.

any mech about to die? don't forget to tag it, probably narc as well, because hey 6k free cbills no matter if you worked on that kill or your tag even helped others.

taggign and narcing should at leats be 2 or 3 seconds on a mech before it does to apply its bonus. And a lost tag/narc should still apply its bonus for 2-3 seconds after gettign removed from the mech.

[Joseph Mallan]

Kirkland Langue, on 28 October 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Ok I just played a game and I'm curious how many C-Bills people think I earned.

The mech:
Timber C with 4x ERML and 2x SSRM-6 and Tag.
I am not running Premium.

The map:
Crimson Straight, Assault mode.

The outcome:
We won by Capture. Final Score was 11-6. I survived the battle, 2K 6A, 1176 Damage, 162 Match Score.

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The point of this is just to gauge people's expectations. There is a lot of discussion about the new reward system and whether it performs better, worse, or the same as the old one. Anyone who reads (and understands) my posts on the subject will know that I don't like the new system because I felt it was a waste of development time, but that I don't care one way or the other about whether it's paying out more or less than before.

So - guess the C-bill's earned for this battle.

EDIT - added the Tag on there, almost forgot that I had one.

Earned that in a Atlas-S last night, brawler build. Except for a few rounds in group Que, I averaged 100K per match. Which is an improvement. Yes it is the Hero Atlas. If you are not fighting alone and willing to up close and personal...

I don't know 100K+ is a good pay for 5-15 minutes of play to me.

[ollo]

Kirkland Langue, on 28 October 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Anyone who reads (and understands) my posts on the subject will know that I don't like the new system because I felt it was a waste of development time, but that I don't care one way or the other about whether it's paying out more or less than before.

I like the new system but hate the earnings - the goal for PGI was to incentivise other play styles than killkillkill, which it kind of does. But the goal was also to keep the average earning at the same spot, so that means that the former earners get less what the lights/spotters etc. get more, and it means that all these people saying they earn much more than before are getting this additional money from others.

PGI should have increased non-brawler/killer income while keeping the existing earnings where they were, IMHO even those should have increased significantly. That's a business decision.

The type of rewards is a gameplay decision, and while i welcome a new reward structure, it's quite hard to implement a working system. How is the game supposed to know who played well and who were the key players in securing the win? It's impossible only based on hard numbers, that's why you sometimes get 130k and less with premium for an awesome game and 200k+ for a game where you played like a braindamaged monkey.

Edited by ollo, 29 October 2014 - 04:21 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Stormcrow (I)
7 x C-ER ML

2 Kills, 9 assists, 447 damage, 109 Match Score
Premium Subscription
30% bonus mech

Guess the reward........





217k



Yeah right, there was no C-bill Nerf, none at all. I mean 217k absolutely equals the 270k I would have gotten previously so no nerf at all.

[Willard Phule]

Huh. I'm not having a problem with it at all.

I've been driving a TW-Prime with 2 CALRM 10s and 4 CERMLs. I slapped in an Active probe, TC1 and have all 4 JJs.

The trick is assists. The LRMs don't get me any kills, but they get me the assists....and that's where the money is. I tend to average between 225-250k cbills per match. Somewhat lower on a loss.

[Galenit]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 October 2014 - 03:25 AM, said:

Earned that in a Atlas-S last night, brawler build. Except for a few rounds in group Que, I averaged 100K per match. Which is an improvement. Yes it is the Hero Atlas. If you are not fighting alone and willing to up close and personal...

I don't know 100K+ is a good pay for 5-15 minutes of play to me.

After some matches, not enough to say if its so, i fell less money.

My trend shows around 20-30% less money (with a lights only account without narc or tag)
or
it shows me, that i must buy premium or a hero to get the same money i had after the change.


Dont know if they will balance it, its new and they need for sure more numbers.
But i would not be surprised if its intendet to force us to buy more heros and premiumtime.

Viktor Drake, on 29 October 2014 - 04:17 AM, said:

Yeah right, there was no C-bill Nerf, none at all. I mean 217k absolutely equals the 270k I would have gotten previously so no nerf at all.

There are the 20% again ...

Edited by Galenit, 29 October 2014 - 04:28 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Galenit, on 29 October 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

Dont know if they will balance it, its new and they need for sure more numbers.
But i would not be surprised if its intendet to force us to buy more heros and premiumtime.

The fricken problem is that I run premium full time now plus I own 12 mechs with a 30% bonus, mechs that I play 90% of the time so I don't have an option to do anything, including give PGI more money, that might increase my earnings rate.

[Joseph Mallan]

Galenit, on 29 October 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

After some matches, not enough to say if its so, i fell less money.

My trend shows around 20-30% less money (with a lights only account without narc or tag)
or it shows me, that i must buy premium or a hero to get the same money i had after the change.


Dont know if they will balance it, its new and they need for sure more numbers.
But i would not be surprised if its intendet to force us to buy more heros and premiumtime.



There are the 20% again ...

The fact that some are seeing more and other less is a matter of "Balancing the pay scale. Some people are going to lose some income others are going to gain, but once it shakes down everyone will likely be making roughly the same Give or take maybe 15%?

My Average per match says 85K. My average per match since 2.0 is about 100K.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 29 October 2014 - 05:22 AM.

[Troutmonkey]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 October 2014 - 05:19 AM, said:

My Average per match says 85K. My average per match since 2.0 is about 100K.

Do you happen to be running support builds?

I mostly run heavies and mediums in attack roles.
My average before was 120-170k for a win, 80k for a loss.
Now it's 110-150k for a win, 50k for a loss.

[Joseph Mallan]

Troutmonkey, on 29 October 2014 - 05:50 AM, said:

Do you happen to be running support builds?

I mostly run heavies and mediums in attack roles.
My average before was 120-170k for a win, 80k for a loss.
Now it's 110-150k for a win, 50k for a loss.

Atlas-S, AC20 4 Medium, 3SRM6 Nope I'm a pure brawler.

[Troutmonkey]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 October 2014 - 05:51 AM, said:

Atlas-S, AC20 4 Medium, 3SRM6 Nope I'm a pure brawler.

Considering the Atlas-S came out at the same time as the new rewards, it'd be tough to compare.
Unless I'm running LRMs my Stalker-3F/M is earning far less, especially the Misery

[Kirkland Langue]

Right before playing that game, I read a response on another thread which made me wonder about something. Before I could post my question - I got the score and thought getting people to guess the Cbills would be a perfect lead up to my real question.


I earned 245k, so some of you were very close while others were very far. Half of you knew that you had no idea with large ranges for possibility.

The question is: What is Match Score? What purpose does it serve? Someone else posted that they got 108 Matchscore earning 150k or something - I often get 60 Matchscore while earning 120k. There doesn't seem to be much of a correlation between Cbills and Match Score - so what is the point of it?

Either Match Score doesn't accurately represent performance, or the Reward system doesn't accurately reflect performance. PGI should probably just get rid of the match score.

[Joseph Mallan]

Troutmonkey, on 29 October 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

Considering the Atlas-S came out at the same time as the new rewards, it'd be tough to compare.
Unless I'm running LRMs my Stalker-3F/M is earning far less, especially the Misery

As an LRM slinger/ long range you are losing out on the touchy feelly brawling bonus and other proximity bonuses I am thinking?

[The Boz]

Brawling bonus triggers only on a kill, proximity bonuses are really low, but getting a dozen flanks/hit-and-runs is highly lucrative.
Source: My LRM+SRM CPLT-A1 earns tons more cash than my brawling SRM+AC+ERLL AS7-D-DC.