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[Vassago Rain]

You'll need about 15 million to buy each variant, so around 45 million for all three.
Then you'll need about 1.5 more million to set a variant up.
You'll want 7 to 10 million worth of modules on at least one of them.

Good luck.

I used the madcat release as an excuse to clear out my robot collection. So many medium lasers and other trash guns to sell...

Edited by Vassago Rain, 12 November 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[Kain Demos]

Prosperity Park, on 12 November 2014 - 08:32 AM, said:

Yeah, Russ Bullock said on Twitter that the Timberwolf will remain better than an equal-weight Orion, despite the claim that they are trying to balance the Clans and IS for 12v12 fights. It's just not going to be as ridiculously overpowered compared to IS Mechs as the BattleTech Lore says.

I doubt they plan on balancing the Adder to the Jenner or Firestarter either, despite their equal weight.

[Xythius]

Darth Bane001, on 12 November 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

op my ass, it just takes team work, shoot the arms and you take out their ability to survive another minute.

They nerfed their only real viable long range weapon to dust, making it hotter and having to hold a lot longer which typically causes ff and some people go ape and tk you for that even if on accident.

Mostly though was just the nerfing in general...I'm sick of them nerfing and tweaking everything even if it generally was working fine. This will never feel out of beta so I stopped playing it.

Actually, in all but one of my builds, the most potent weapons are in the ST's, so removing one or both arms, doesn't really hurt all that bad. Most good players have probably done similar.

What "only good" long range weapon did they nerf to the ground exactly? ERLL? Beam time is a bit long, but damage for heat, it's still an excellent weapon. Gauss? Deadly as always, no change. LRM's? Even though they're stock equipment, they're definitely not a premier weapon system for this 'mech. The benefit being that you can load an LRM10/15+artemis, a few tons of ammo & still have weight/slots left over to mount a few ERMLS, or ERLLS.

Darth Bane001, on 12 November 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

Dont worry they will ruin them in a few months and people will be shocked and outraged!

Ok, I see, you're just a whiner. Nothing to see here. There will be nothing of consequence changed on this mech, maybe to clan weapons as a whole, but they're not gonna make any sweeping changes to the TBR.

@ OP - If you want one, get one. Solid, SOLID mech. It's top tier for a reason & one of the most versatile of the Clan 'mechs. You definitely want to work on getting all three variants, however, as others have said, it really starts to shine after it's been Elited. Clan 'mechs on the whole tend to run hot, so the +15% to cooling after unlocking the Elites will really change the way it plays.

I personally whole-heartedly encourage you to get one. It's iconic, even people who've never played BT know what a TBR is. It's probably the most recognized symbol of any franchise & it plays as good as it looks.

~Xythius

Edited by Xythius, 12 November 2014 - 09:20 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

one thing i would say is if, as you say you will not be saving the money for the other 2 - buy something else you CAN afford 3 of, while the TBW is no doubt good, its not as good without elites as any number of IS heavies with elites.

[Moomtazz]

Twolf is imo the best single mech in the game. That being said I haven't played mine in months. So if you must have the best mech and you are the type that can be happy playing one mech then go for it. Im not sure its worth the time investment to buy it for cbills though.

[Joseph Mallan]

AjerWerklWerkl, on 12 November 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

I have been saving for months to get the Timber Wolf when it comes out... and now it is!

I'm obviously excited about it because of how fast and powerful it is, and how long it seems to last... and it seems like a great c-bill farmer (return on investment).

Not knowing much about Clan mechs (this would be my first), I've been wondering a few things, though, and would be grateful for any advice!

1. How many additional c-bills will I need to live up to its full potential? (Seems like not much, whereas IS mechs need at least 2 million for DHS & endo, and maybe more for an engine!)

2. Is it still great even without eliting? (Coz that ain't gonna happen... I have a life and there is no way I'll be grinding another ~40 million c-bills to buy 2 more TWs!)

3. How likely is PGI to nerf the TW horribly? (This is of course subjective...) But I fear that my hard-earned c-bills will be wasted if there's a huge nerf, and I'd be better off buying several IS mechs for mastering several chassis.

Thank you! (Hopefully this thread will help others who are trying to figure out similar questions!)

Do you want to buy a Timber Wolf?
If Yes, then buy one

if No, don't.

[Alistair Winter]

It's the best mech in the game. When you get the top score on your team, no one will be impressed or excited. When you post screenshots of the matches where you got 6 kills or 1000 damage, no one will care. When you get average scores, you'll be ridiculed.

Forget the money. The question is, do you want to win or do you want the glory of succeeding against the odds in inferior mechs? If you just want to win, get the Timber Wolf. If you want the women of your fallen enemies to sing your praise after each battle, pick something harder. Pick an old Inner Sphere warhorse like the Cataphract, Thunderbolt or Catapult, or even the Timber Wolf's little brother, the Summoner.

[Yosharian]

AjerWerklWerkl, on 12 November 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

I have been saving for months to get the Timber Wolf when it comes out... and now it is!

I'm obviously excited about it because of how fast and powerful it is, and how long it seems to last... and it seems like a great c-bill farmer (return on investment).

Not knowing much about Clan mechs (this would be my first), I've been wondering a few things, though, and would be grateful for any advice!

1. How many additional c-bills will I need to live up to its full potential? (Seems like not much, whereas IS mechs need at least 2 million for DHS & endo, and maybe more for an engine!)

2. Is it still great even without eliting? (Coz that ain't gonna happen... I have a life and there is no way I'll be grinding another ~40 million c-bills to buy 2 more TWs!)

3. How likely is PGI to nerf the TW horribly? (This is of course subjective...) But I fear that my hard-earned c-bills will be wasted if there's a huge nerf, and I'd be better off buying several IS mechs for mastering several chassis.

Thank you! (Hopefully this thread will help others who are trying to figure out similar questions!)

Timber Wolf is probably the most iconic 'mech ever. That's the main reason I bought it. It's also a very good 'mech (even after the nerfs).

[Moomtazz]

Alistair Winter, on 12 November 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Pick an old Inner Sphere warhorse like the Cataphract, Thunderbolt or Catapult, or even the Timber Wolf's little brother, the Summoner.

Easy now. I wouldn't even tell my worst enemy to buy a Summoner.

[Brody319]

I had a lot of fun with my T-wolves. Really solid mech, even in stock form. So refitting it isn't that big a deal. Sure the stock builds are not "optimal" but I think its solid enough to work if you play it correctly. I would get the C-variant first because it has a unique energy slot in the CT. Even if you don't use it, its still useful for later builds.

Also remember, just because you are in a t-wolf doesn't mean you are unstoppable.

[Angel of Annihilation]

AjerWerklWerkl, on 12 November 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

I have been saving for months to get the Timber Wolf when it comes out... and now it is!

I'm obviously excited about it because of how fast and powerful it is, and how long it seems to last... and it seems like a great c-bill farmer (return on investment).

Not knowing much about Clan mechs (this would be my first), I've been wondering a few things, though, and would be grateful for any advice!

1. How many additional c-bills will I need to live up to its full potential? (Seems like not much, whereas IS mechs need at least 2 million for DHS & endo, and maybe more for an engine!)

2. Is it still great even without eliting? (Coz that ain't gonna happen... I have a life and there is no way I'll be grinding another ~40 million c-bills to buy 2 more TWs!)

3. How likely is PGI to nerf the TW horribly? (This is of course subjective...) But I fear that my hard-earned c-bills will be wasted if there's a huge nerf, and I'd be better off buying several IS mechs for mastering several chassis.

4. Is there a particular TW variant that's best, or are they all great and the choice comes down to personal playstyle or weapon preference?

Thank you! (Hopefully this thread will help others who are trying to figure out similar questions!)

1. My costs were fairly expensive mostly due to what I call R&D. They offer alot of options so I ended up buying alot of different Omnipods in order to change up my builds and those omnipods aren't cheap on a Timby. Also ended up buying alot of different weapons but to be honest, the Timby was my first Clan mech so had zero extra equipment in inventory. Cost me about 10-12 million to get mine outfitted if I recall correctly. Technically though, all three stock builds can be viable with just a little tweaking so if you can suppress the desire to fiddle you can mostly get buy with just buying the mechs.

2. It is still good without Elite skills, better than most actually but Clan mechs tend to run hot so they really need the Elite Skills to get the 2x bonus to cool run and heat containment ASAP.

3. Depends. I personally feel the Timby is a good mech but not OP. Just because something is good or even the best doesn't make it unbalanced. If PGI realizes this it might not get hit too hard. If they cave to the whining, well it could be bad, really bad.

4. I would personally do the C variant because I like having the option for an extra energy weapon in the Torso then you can just build it out how you want with Omnipods. Only the CT stays the same so you really have a choice of the Prime (Extra Ballistic slot only useful for MG), S (Extra JJ locked to CT, loses 1ton to a worthless JJ if you decide on a non-JJ build out) or C (extra Energy slot which can be used for any single slot laser including a ER LL.).

Keep in mind that if you want JJs, you can alway mount the S torsos and get 4 of them which really isn't much different in performance than the 5 JJs the S variant would grant you.

Lastly, as someone mentioned. You should think about CW. If your not going to be a Clanner, then no, don't buy it, at least don't make it a priority. Instead spend the C-bills on IS mechs, equipment or modules, at least until you have 4 fully setup and outfitted mechs, including 4 full sets of modules, that combined weigh less than 240 tons. After that, then go for luxury.

Edited by Viktor Drake, 12 November 2014 - 11:29 AM.

[Walluh]

Please do, the timberpocalypse is really weak. Only 40% heavy que? PFF

[Deathlike]

AjerWerklWerkl, on 12 November 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

1. How many additional c-bills will I need to live up to its full potential? (Seems like not much, whereas IS mechs need at least 2 million for DHS & endo, and maybe more for an engine!)

Considering I spend 45m to get all 3 variants, putting in another 5m total doesn't seem like that much, but that's still a whole lot. Still, you need you reserve like 2m per variant, depending on how much stuff you plan to reuse.

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2. Is it still great even without eliting? (Coz that ain't gonna happen... I have a life and there is no way I'll be grinding another ~40 million c-bills to buy 2 more TWs!)

I guess, but again, you're handicapping yourself. The ROI is really bad if you don't buy them all at the same time IMO.

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3. How likely is PGI to nerf the TW horribly? (This is of course subjective...) But I fear that my hard-earned c-bills will be wasted if there's a huge nerf, and I'd be better off buying several IS mechs for mastering several chassis.

Soon™.

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4. Is there a particular TW variant that's best, or are they all great and the choice comes down to personal playstyle or weapon preference?

Timberwolf-C is arguably the best. While you will end up getting JJs when going with the Timberwolf-S's omnipods, the extra energy hardpoint is a decisive bonus over your alternatives. You have either the "Ballistic CT" of the Timberwolf-Prime (limited to the MG) or the "fixed JJ" of the Timberwolf-S. The latter can be useful if you rely on one JJ, but given that the mech is pretty energy/heat heavy, the energy hardpoint is far more "flexible", even if you don't use it as such (just fitting a Targeting Comp v1 is practical).

Anyways, investing in the Timberwolf (or any chassis for that matter) generally requires going full bore so going half arsed is going to be annoying. Given that the mech is heat dependent, doubling of Coolrun and Heat Containment is the ultimate goal. Either way, the Timbergod is easy mode.

[Astrocanis]

Darth Bane001, on 12 November 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

op my ass, it just takes team work, shoot the arms and you take out their ability to survive another minute.

They nerfed their only real viable long range weapon to dust, making it hotter and having to hold a lot longer which typically causes ff and some people go ape and tk you for that even if on accident.

Mostly though was just the nerfing in general...I'm sick of them nerfing and tweaking everything even if it generally was working fine. This will never feel out of beta so I stopped playing it.

Not OP. Just takes teamwork to take down.

Right.

[Marmon Rzohr]

Darth Bane001, on 12 November 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

They nerfed their only real viable long range weapon to dust, making it hotter and having to hold a lot longer which typically causes ff and some people go ape and tk you for that even if on accident.

Wait what ? What weapon are you talking about ?

[Metus regem]

AjerWerklWerkl, on 12 November 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

I have been saving for months to get the Timber Wolf when it comes out... and now it is!

I'm obviously excited about it because of how fast and powerful it is, and how long it seems to last... and it seems like a great c-bill farmer (return on investment).

Not knowing much about Clan mechs (this would be my first), I've been wondering a few things, though, and would be grateful for any advice!

1. How many additional c-bills will I need to live up to its full potential? (Seems like not much, whereas IS mechs need at least 2 million for DHS & endo, and maybe more for an engine!)

2. Is it still great even without eliting? (Coz that ain't gonna happen... I have a life and there is no way I'll be grinding another ~40 million c-bills to buy 2 more TWs!)

3. How likely is PGI to nerf the TW horribly? (This is of course subjective...) But I fear that my hard-earned c-bills will be wasted if there's a huge nerf, and I'd be better off buying several IS mechs for mastering several chassis.

4. Is there a particular TW variant that's best, or are they all great and the choice comes down to personal playstyle or weapon preference?

Thank you! (Hopefully this thread will help others who are trying to figure out similar questions!)

Well what you will find, with the Timber Wolf, is that it is a good all round unit, a fact if for no other reason than it is an apex unit. That takes advantage of all clan tech advantages, alowing it to move like an IS medium, hit like an IS assualt, but is still tonnage limited by the weight for the armour it carries.

You will also find it works differently than an IS mech, in-terms of how the weapons work, and the extra face time required. It is also a unit that benefits from torso twisting to spread the damage all across the mech. Is the mech right for you, well that is something only you can answer, having gotten my three into elite, they almost never leave the hanger anymore, as I found units I enjoy more, or I want to troll someone.

Moomtazz, on 12 November 2014 - 10:42 AM, said:

Easy now. I wouldn't even tell my worst enemy to buy a Summoner.

Some wolf you are... I'm sure there is a Flacon out there, that could use the help....

[Burktross]

T-wolf is nice, but stock prime will run out of ammo and overheat like a *****.
Also
Side torsos get ripped off more frequently than jagers.

[Captain Stiffy]

You should absolutely know in advance that those missile boxes are torso hit locations.

[Glythe]

Myke Pantera, on 12 November 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I don't think they will nerf the TBR exclusively, but they might still tweak some clan-weapons. If clans get a Quirk pass, don't expect the TBR to get any!

Really?

I mean it's not as if it is the king undisputed heavy mech of the world........

In a 3/3/3/3 drop system you always want this to be the heavy mech. I wouldn't say it is going to get nerfed directly as much as it is going to get nerfed by proxy (it will stay the same and other crap will get a lot better relative to it).

Personally I find the price ridiculous so I'm waiting for a half off sale. If that doesn't happen I will just buy 3x Hellbringers since my 240 plan is two of those with two doomcrows.

Edited by Glythe, 12 November 2014 - 03:45 PM.

[Ghogiel]

After you buy the TBR... now imagine having had an invasion TBR with 30% cbil bonus running for a few months.

They should have put the bounty hunter camospec on it it makes so much paper.

Edited by Ghogiel, 12 November 2014 - 03:52 PM.