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[Angel of Annihilation]

Walluh, on 28 November 2014 - 09:25 PM, said:

The fact people are actually saying this is DoA is why I take literally everything posted on these forums with a fistful of salt. Everything that isn't invincible with Dire Wolf level firepower is bad to these people.

Except that I am usually on the side of things not being as bad as people make it out to be so when I post and say, "I am starting to think this or that is DOA" there is obvious problems.

Seriously, just look at my posts. I have been arguing that the Mist Lynx is pretty good and commenting that the Warhawk is pretty much just as good as a Dire yet the Hellbringer has brutal CT hitbox issues. I almost feel like I don't have any CT armor, it is that bad.

Now DoA might be going to far because it does have respectable firepower and even though it is too large to take advantage of ECM making it hard to see and target, it does tend to protect it from LRMs which is nice. However, unless they rework the CT so that it doesn't take quite so much damage from every angle, it is a Tier 3 mech at best and that is only because of the ECM. Tier 4 without ECM in my opinion. Still I consider the Summoner Tier 5 so at least it is better than a Summoner.

Anyway I guess I am partially disappointed because I was really hoping it would be Tier 2 just behind the Timber Wolf rather than clearly a subpar choice when comparing the two.

[Bulletsponge0]

it just needs that CT hitbox tweaked...then it will be fantastic

[FupDup]

Okay, my first impressions...

Speed: Same as all current Clan heavies: very good for its class
Hardpoints: Great, I especially like being able to feel like an upgrown Shadow Hawk 2K with just torso mounts
Firepower: Not a Dire Whale by any means, but plenty good enough
Looks: A fairly sexy robot
Hitboxes: This is where we get issues...


Basically, when there isn't much fire coming your way, driving the robot feels amazing and powerful, like a clear contender for Tier 2 or even the lower end of Tier 1. But when somebody looks in your direction, you're gonna have a bad time. Like, a really bad time. Deathlike's nickname "Corebringer" is very suiting.

Edited by FupDup, 28 November 2014 - 11:03 PM.

[Alex Warden Wolf]

i seriously was surprised how much stuff you can put into that baby... comes close to a timberwolf/ stormcrow hybrid ... currently driving it like this...but gotta admit i was in the middle of a "cuba libré" session when i built it, so didn´tput much thought into this ...works decent though...

Edited by Alex Warden Wolf, 29 November 2014 - 12:02 AM.

[xengk]

Encounter a handful of them today while in my Atlas, those thing eat AC20 rounds like it was nothing.

[STEF_]

What da hell! I knew I would find a thread saying hellbringer is doa!!!
LOL

[KharnZor]

Stefka Kerensky, on 29 November 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:

What da hell! I knew I would find a thread saying hellbringer is doa!!!
LOL

it is kinda DOA atm.
Once the CT issue is fixed it should be golden

Edited by KharnZor, 29 November 2014 - 01:05 AM.

[STEF_]

I'm really totally in love with hellbringer.

Just made 4 drops, just playing in the mechlab. It's awesome!

You can really built whatever you want, and it works!

Laservomit works.
Sniping with gauss + ecm is delightful.
You can even built the always the same lrm boat.
You can even built an overgrown arrow pleanty of mg and pulse.
Piloting it, I fell it like a heavy medium, or a light heavy.
Its sounds are awesome.

Once pgi will fix this CT thing, it will be my fav.

Totally in love with this mech.

KharnZor, on 29 November 2014 - 01:05 AM, said:

it is kinda DOA atm.
Once the CT issue is fixed it should be golden

yea, Ct sucks. But it will be fixed, so I'm still in love

[NovaFury]

The good thing is you can strip the armor off all the non-CT locations in order to mount more weapons.

Nobody's going to hit you there anyway.

No really, I'm serious. I'm doing that right now.

Edited by NovaFury, 29 November 2014 - 01:14 AM.

[Milocinia]

DOA? Not by a very, very, very long way. As suggested by some other posters, it really does seems like if every new mech isn't better than the last in some way then it's automatically labelled as DOA (albeit the MLX and IFR are pretty awful).

Unlike other clam robots, lacking the endo means it has less tonnage to play with on those plentiful hardpoints but you know, ECM and balance and all that. It took me a while to come up with a build I would be happy with but considering the role this mech should play (second-line/support within a group of heavier mechs) I decided on something very simple.

VomBringer

This was based on the previous feedback about possible CT issues and the fact the mech would be a target anyway as an ECM carrier so I needed a loadout that wouldn't encourage me to turn myself into a target, something I could feel comfortable sitting back in while providing ECM and fire support.

I've only had time to get in 1 match in due to work and here are the results (no modules installed at all).




Oh and I also finished on 87% health plus no overheats or even heat level warnings.

Yeah it is only 1 match so time will tell how it will really work out for me but I enjoyed piloting it and liked the playstyle it made me consciously adopt for it.

[STEF_]

I don't know if mix tech would be ever available, and I hate mix tech.
But 2 light gauss + ecm + 89kph.... I think I would have an orgasm every double gauss I'd fire.....

(mw4 memories)

[KuroNyra]

You get cored with no difficult?
No big deal, that mech is not supposed to take a beating. But to GIVE a beating.

[STEF_]

Viktor Drake, on 28 November 2014 - 10:35 PM, said:

Except that I am usually on the side of things not being as bad as people make it out to be so when I post and say, "I am starting to think this or that is DOA" there is obvious problems.

Seriously, just look at my posts. I have been arguing that the Mist Lynx is pretty good and commenting that the Warhawk is pretty much just as good as a Dire yet the Hellbringer has brutal CT hitbox issues. I almost feel like I don't have any CT armor, it is that bad.

Now DoA might be going to far because it does have respectable firepower and even though it is too large to take advantage of ECM making it hard to see and target, it does tend to protect it from LRMs which is nice. However, unless they rework the CT so that it doesn't take quite so much damage from every angle, it is a Tier 3 mech at best and that is only because of the ECM. Tier 4 without ECM in my opinion. Still I consider the Summoner Tier 5 so at least it is better than a Summoner.

Anyway I guess I am partially disappointed because I was really hoping it would be Tier 2 just behind the Timber Wolf rather than clearly a subpar choice when comparing the two.

Don't worry Victor, Russ already said ct issue will be fixed soon.

From that bunch of matches I've just done, I think it can be one step behind the timber, at least at the same level of the stormcrow. Firepower, a lot of possible builds, decent speed, torso twist and Ecm.
Let's see, ct hitbox is crucial.

[Clownwarlord]

A hit box issue? Well that isn't too bad. Just need to wait for a fix maybe they get something in the books this year or roll it over to next. Depends if they deem in necessary.

[Vassago Rain]

Corebringer alphastrike. Corebringer stronk. Inner sphere will learn to fear corebringer's wrath.

COREBRINGER BEST THERE IS!

[Greenjulius]

Stefka Kerensky, on 29 November 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

Don't worry Victor, Russ already said ct issue will be fixed soon.

From that bunch of matches I've just done, I think it can be one step behind the timber, at least at the same level of the stormcrow. Firepower, a lot of possible builds, decent speed, torso twist and Ecm.
Let's see, ct hitbox is crucial.

I'm in agreement. My first match it came down to me and another HBR left on our team. We got beat up pretty bad, but kept handing out the pain. ECM helped us be sneaky, allowing us to destroy their last few players, leaving a Timber and Ferret. The Ferret was lag glitching everywhere, as many Euro players sometimes do. I nearly took him down many times but he'd just run away.

I took out the Timber, but the Ferret ran back to base. Me and the other HBR were beat up bad, so we waited him out and won. Like 11k XP for that first win. I'm loving this event. I should have several more mechs mastered by Monday.

This is the first mech of the 2nd wave I feel is actually very competive. It's hitboxes aren't as good as a stormcrow, but everything else is great.

If the CT hitbox is a little off, I haven't noticed it just yet. I just had another match where I successfully spread damage to both side torsos and preserved my CT. I need to get better at using that right side as a shield.

Edit: I believe the problem seems to be that the back CT armor is nearly nonexistant and transfers to the front CT armor. I did actually notice it in the aforementioned match when I got hit in the back by a turret's LRMs; the damage was dealth to my front armor. I am sure that will be fixed soon

Edited by Greenjulius, 29 November 2014 - 03:00 AM.

[Christof Romulus]

*pant* *pant* *pant*
Sorry guys, I just got off of work and ran the whole way here!

Did I miss the "The mech just released is DOA" thread? Oh thank goodness it's here.

[Remarius]

John1352, on 28 November 2014 - 07:04 PM, said:

HBR-PRIME

So you're telling me a mech with a laser vomit comparable to a wubshee, more heatsinks than can be stuck on an armed IS mech, ECM and the speed of a timberwolf is DOA.

Its not comparable to the TDR-5SS its opposite number and that's a more accurate example. The TDR version has great hitboxes and divine quirks.

The HBR has a old school Dragon like CT w/o modern Dragon CT quirks and the Vindicators original damage magnetism to it (pre hit box adjustment).

On the other hand its hard points are great..... just don't get shot... ummh.

Still, its better than the Mist Lynx which plumbs the level of substandard and hopefully they'll look at the Hitboxes.

Going to get on later and test with a unit mate in the testing grounds as suspect the CT just has some oddity.

PS: Not sure why so many are running 2 LPL/4ERML as the TBR does that better.

Edited by Remarius, 29 November 2014 - 03:20 AM.

[Yosharian]

Keep sharing your Hellbringer builds guys I am interested

[Hades Trooper]

3 ER PPC's

4 Machine Guns,

AMS

ECM,

this thing is friggin brilliant,

DOA? lol, some people are delusional, i want there drugs!