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[ShinVector]

Bill Lumbar, on 22 February 2015 - 09:01 PM, said:

Problem with the killer 2200 is solved.... followed guide and have Internet with lan now. Lets see if I have any problems. I have been booted mid game three times today.... anyone else having this issue? Game just crashes..have to restart.

Had at least 1 desync last night...
This might be the cause...

https://twitter.com/...246319023230976

Time to buy more servers and bandwidth PGI.

[Bill Lumbar]

ShinVector, on 22 February 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Had at least 1 desync last night...
This might be the cause...

https://twitter.com/...246319023230976

Time to buy more servers and bandwidth PGI.

I really hope they extend the challenge like they did last time... to another weekend. Been a lot of issues it seems. First game with Lan.... all seems to be working good

2015-02-22 23:02:01 - MWOClient
Frames: 10777 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 59.872 - Min: 38 - Max: 80

2015-02-22 23:09:32 - MWOClient
Frames: 7533 - Time: 125893ms - Avg: 59.837 - Min: 39 - Max: 75

2015-02-23 00:11:16 - MWOClient
Frames: 9581 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 53.228 - Min: 29 - Max: 72 River city night.... ott oh's first drop below 30....

2015-02-23 00:30:18 - MWOClient
Frames: 10760 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 59.778 - Min: 41 - Max: 81

2015-02-23 00:45:20 - MWOClient
Frames: 14162 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 78.678 - Min: 61 - Max: 89

2015-02-23 02:19:52 - MWOClient
Frames: 10863 - Time: 180000ms - Avg: 60.350 - Min: 43 - Max: 73

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 22 February 2015 - 11:39 PM.

[Flapdrol]

Do you have afterburner graphs bill? With gpu use % and and fps (maybe gpu memory used).

I'm not a fan of minmaxaverage, max fps is a pointless number and I always have some stutter when the match starts, not a problem, but will probably get me a nasty min fps.

Edited by Flapdrol, 23 February 2015 - 02:21 AM.

[Bill Lumbar]

No I do not have it installed yet. I will have to look into it.

[Tom Sawyer]

Bill

Yeah I have heard bad things about Frozzen. I use to use them back when I was into phase cooling. I still have my mach 1 but until I modify the cooling head the lastest chips and boards do not like

My own 2500k is on a custom monster water cooling. Here is a really old shot of it. Since then I have upgraded the card to a 980 gtx and added more memory. Since its rock sold at 5hgz I am loath to change the motherboard from the ancient asus 8pro

http://www.pr0kforum...me=IMG_1434.JPG

Edited by Tom Sawyer, 24 February 2015 - 09:07 AM.

[Bill Lumbar]

Tom Sawyer, on 24 February 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

Bill

Yeah I have heard bad things about Frozzen. I use to use them back when I was into phase cooling. I still have my mach 1 but until I modify the cooling head the lastest chips and boards do not like

My own 2500k is on a custom monster water cooling. Here is a really old shot of it. Since then I have upgraded the card to a 980 gtx and added more memory. Since its rock sold at 5hgz I am loath to change the motherboard from the ancient asus 8pro

http://www.pr0kforum...me=IMG_1434.JPG

Yeah..... screw FrozenCPU, they still have about $80 bucks of my money and I am having to jump through loops to get it back with my card company, 10 day waiting period for a "investigation" on the dispute. Frozen is not responding to any emails, Phones are turned off, WTF is there to investigate... call them, phones shut off... no email response from them, five minutes to investigate and its done and over, return my money!

That is a nice Set up Tom, if it is working for you.....why change right now? I say keep it and enjoy your system for a bit longer and save some cash!

Btw.... you are one of the ones that I dropped into with on one of two matches I got into the other day when the server issues was going on. I am sorry about the head shot kill on you man.... but I giggled like a little school girl when I got the "Deathstar" reward. Sorry man, I feel dirty....

[-Natural Selection-]

There a bunch in our group yest getting C2D multiple times. One other guy and I seemed to be getting it the most. I am running gtx970 and he is running the 290x, we both installed new on same day 2 weeks ago.

Some seem to be more prone to certain maps.

Edited by Mickey Knoxx, 24 February 2015 - 12:05 PM.

[IG 88]

you should have waited for more recent technologie this is old now

[Bill Lumbar]

IG 88, on 24 February 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

you should have waited for more recent technologie this is old now

Who me? I should of waited and not got the I7 4790K and Z97 platform?

[Bill Lumbar]

Ya know.... one thing that I can say is funny to me is I have heard many say the FX-8350 is a space heater. This I7-4790K chip is one hot processor. I am 100% sure the Zalmen is seated correctly, when I put my hand on the back of the case at the exhaust fan.... the hot air coming out of the case is pretty unreal. Temps look good on the Processor though...or as good as one can expect on a I7 with a Air cooler. I am staying under 70C in gaming now, and Idle is 30-33C and when I have MWO loaded up but Alt out I am at around 40-44C.

The new tank should be here tomorrow from fed ex, and the water block, new cooling lines, fittings should be no later then the 28th. I just got the 1/4 inch plexi glass and will be cutting all the plate piece's tomorrow I hope, and work on getting the LED lights run on the back of the new wall mount case. Gonna be some work for sure, but I am over due for building a new custom case that is a finished product and not a rush job.

[Flapdrol]

The i7 doesn't produce that much heat, but it's harder to get rid of because of the thermal interface material between the die and the ihs.

[xWiredx]

Bill Lumbar, on 24 February 2015 - 07:35 PM, said:

Ya know.... one thing that I can say is funny to me is I have heard many say the FX-8350 is a space heater. This I7-4790K chip is one hot processor. I am 100% sure the Zalmen is seated correctly, when I put my hand on the back of the case at the exhaust fan.... the hot air coming out of the case is pretty unreal. Temps look good on the Processor though...or as good as one can expect on a I7 with a Air cooler. I am staying under 70C in gaming now, and Idle is 30-33C and when I have MWO loaded up but Alt out I am at around 40-44C.

The new tank should be here tomorrow from fed ex, and the water block, new cooling lines, fittings should be no later then the 28th. I just got the 1/4 inch plexi glass and will be cutting all the plate piece's tomorrow I hope, and work on getting the LED lights run on the back of the new wall mount case. Gonna be some work for sure, but I am over due for building a new custom case that is a finished product and not a rush job.

Heat at a single point is not the same as heat in a large area. This is obvious and simple logic: a CPU that uses 150W when overclocked does not have as much heat to dissipate as a CPU that uses 250W when overclocked, therefore regardless of the actual temperature at any given point, the CPU that uses 250W will more efficiently heat the space around it.

Also, you're using a heatsink that, unless you force the fan at 100% all the time, does not perform very well in various review site tests (in fact, in one test it was simply the worst in the lot until forced to 100%, where it then became acceptable). You might as well reserve future judgement for when it has a water cooler and properly working monitor like your FX had.

[Vassago Rain]

Bill Lumbar, on 24 February 2015 - 07:35 PM, said:

Ya know.... one thing that I can say is funny to me is I have heard many say the FX-8350 is a space heater. This I7-4790K chip is one hot processor. I am 100% sure the Zalmen is seated correctly, when I put my hand on the back of the case at the exhaust fan.... the hot air coming out of the case is pretty unreal. Temps look good on the Processor though...or as good as one can expect on a I7 with a Air cooler. I am staying under 70C in gaming now, and Idle is 30-33C and when I have MWO loaded up but Alt out I am at around 40-44C.

The new tank should be here tomorrow from fed ex, and the water block, new cooling lines, fittings should be no later then the 28th. I just got the 1/4 inch plexi glass and will be cutting all the plate piece's tomorrow I hope, and work on getting the LED lights run on the back of the new wall mount case. Gonna be some work for sure, but I am over due for building a new custom case that is a finished product and not a rush job.

No, you're doing something wrong.

My processor idles at 29 celsius on air, with my fans at 400 RPM (they're essentially turned off). When I play MWO, I play maxed out settings, no AA, downscaled 4k to 1080p, and if I run my fans at 800 RPM, the processor itself doesn't go above 60 celsius.

[xWiredx]

I guess a reference might help. My system has an H105 and MX-4 for the CPU, haven't seen anything above 54c yet. Obviously this reference doesn't help for comparison until you get your new loop built.

Apparently guys are seeing 78-82c with the Intel stock cooler on the 4790K, so you're doing just fine with that Zalman holding you over. Again, this chips are designed in such a way that they tend to run hot and it is normal (the max is something like 98-102c I believe).

[Flapdrol]

Your CPU is bonded to the IHS xWiredx, the socket 1150 use some sort of thermal grease instead, which has a much lower thermal conductivity. Not really comparable.

[xWiredx]

I realize, but some reference is better than no reference. Bill will also be using a custom loop which should be more effective than my H105, so it probably balances out a bit.

[Thorqemada]

Maybe there is some helpful Info in this Link:
http://craigpritchar...alman-z11-plus/

[Bill Lumbar]

Thanks for the link Thorqemada.... nice read.

Vass, not really sure that I am doing anything wrong at this point. The only thing I can say that is wrong is my case set up with lack of proper push pull air flow. This case was done in a rush and it was set up for the Cpu to be water cooled. I am working on the new wall mount case, and its gonna be done right like my other custom Granite case I built 4 years ago that I have retired for right now, its kinda too big for my new home I built and I am doing in wall computers now and now wall mount computer cases.

As for how well the Zalman performs, I have never had issues with it on any other Cpu I have mounted it to. I understand its not a top end Cpu cooler, however, it should be more then enough to cool this I7 at stock speeds, and even a mild OC. It is doing ok now, I am seeing no more the 29-33C at Idle, and do not hit much over 70C while gaming in MWO. I have turned it down to stock clocks for right now. I end up getting a freeze up after having it OC to 4.7 ghz the other day, using the Easytune software to OC, but I did turn down the volts to only 1.26 and it ran for two days without a problem. This seems rather low for a 4.7 ghz OC on the 4790K from what I have read, many need to push 1.35-.37 volts to get a stable clock at that speed. This seems kinda promising, and once the new water cooling parts get here, things will get sorted out for sure.

Everything should be here by the 28th, and I will be taking a break and have my system tore down, and working on the new wall mount case to get it done and get back up and running.

[Bill Lumbar]

xWiredx, on 25 February 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

Heat at a single point is not the same as heat in a large area. This is obvious and simple logic: a CPU that uses 150W when overclocked does not have as much heat to dissipate as a CPU that uses 250W when overclocked, therefore regardless of the actual temperature at any given point, the CPU that uses 250W will more efficiently heat the space around it.

Also, you're using a heatsink that, unless you force the fan at 100% all the time, does not perform very well in various review site tests (in fact, in one test it was simply the worst in the lot until forced to 100%, where it then became acceptable). You might as well reserve future judgement for when it has a water cooler and properly working monitor like your FX had.

I am not judging this CPU yet..... just making comments on what I am observing first hand with stock set up, and now the Zalman cooler. I am not sure which model you got that info on, but the 92cm fan isn't the best for cooling, but it does do a very decent job. I am not sure what rpms its running at at this point, honestly haven't looked in the bios. I just wonder if what you saw regarding its performance of lack of was the first model they came out with that didn't have a solid copper base and had the gaps from the heat pipes touching the cpu, and not saying its the one you seen info on, but it would make sense if it was the model they tested. This one is the revision 2 and doesn't have that issue.

[xWiredx]

Bill Lumbar, on 25 February 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

I am not judging this CPU yet..... just making comments on what I am observing first hand with stock set up, and now the Zalman cooler. I am not sure which model you got that info on, but the 92cm fan isn't the best for cooling, but it does do a very decent job. I am not sure what rpms its running at at this point, honestly haven't looked in the bios. I just wonder if what you saw regarding its performance of lack of was the first model they came out with that didn't have a solid copper base and had the gaps from the heat pipes touching the cpu, and not saying its the one you seen info on, but it would make sense if it was the model they tested. This one is the revision 2 and doesn't have that issue.

Couldn't tell ya, no review I found made any point of the revision. I do know that those really aren't meant for dissipating anything outside of ~120W-150W, though, so the minute that CPU hits its regular turbo boost it's gonna push that heatsink to it's max. Since the temp doesn't immediately spike to like 93c or above (because, you know, physics) the fan doesn't get ramped up properly so you see the temps you see. Once you get that loop built, you'll probably see 50c-55c like I do.

Also, if you didn't see it, grab that core unparker from the performance tests thread that Goose linked to. The tiny hiccups I had that really bugged me are gone and I haven't seen a number below 60 yet (but I also haven't run FRAPS because it crashes when I use the 64-bit client).