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[WANTED]

Been seeing more of this lately when I view others games as spectator and I have been seeing more people ignoring the R key and not targeting enemies they are shooting. This is not from ECM coverage either. Also there is an auto target function that kicks in sometimes when shooting an enemy mech but it seems to take to long. If new players or those who for some reason don't hit the target key, I'd like to recommend this lag time be lower if said enemy mech is being hit by your mech. Anyways, just wanted to see if this is seen by others as well more more often than not?

Edited by WANTED, 29 July 2015 - 08:24 AM.

[Revis Volek]

When the bads are on yea....but a lot of people are greedy too and dont want the LRM vulture to "steal" their kill.

[GRiPSViGiL]

During damage mitigation (torso twisting) sometimes you are not facing the enemy long enough to target. I spam my "r" key even during that but most people can't multi-task.

[Kotzi]

If you torsotwist you dont need to push the lock button again for the same target. I guess most people dont want to get their kill "stealed". There is no "honor" in working as a team.

Edited by Kotzi, 29 July 2015 - 08:31 AM.

[stjobe]

Personally, I'm almost religiously fanatic about hitting the 'R' key - it just feels like something's wrong if I don't have a target, no matter if the nearest target is 1343 meters and two mountain ranges away.

But yeah, people being afraid of LRMs "stealing their kill" is one reason, general rookieness is another (they don't know or don't understand how valuable the damage readout is).

[RoboPatton]

I saw this a few times the last couple of games while spectating. Wonder if it's just new players?

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

I usually target, but when I don't I'm being selfish and want that kill / duel all by myself.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Either they are very new and don't know better.

So engaged with the enemy that they forget

Or lastly...
Don't want their teammates to steal their kill.


Seems legit.

[Kotzi]

"Killstealing" i dont understand this. Fight together to conserve armor, thats much better for your team than getting cored just to get the kill.

[Dino Might]

I can't multitask well enough. I'm so focused on closing distance while keeping an erratic path, lining up each shot, checking my flanks, and varying speed that I just forget to or don't bother sometimes. I can see where the enemy is smoking, and half the time I'm just going to be shooting his legs anyways, so it's not always so important. When you can die to one alpha shot, it becomes even less important compared to other things.

[WANTED]

Wow...it never occurred to me people won't target so they don't lose the kill?! Crazy...

[Matthew Ace]

The only legit reason I can think of is to avoid notifying the enemy that they are being targeted Otherwise all the reasons stated above.

[Screech]

I am calling boogeyman on the whole "they don't hit R to keep LRMs from getting the kill." Getting target information on your enemy is often the difference in a fight. I can't see any competent pilot giving up this vital information in order to "guard" his kill.


Most likely it is just inexperienced pilot or ones that have gotten into some really bad habits. These two groups can be Legion and sometimes I slip into one of them.

[EgoSlayer]

Screech, on 29 July 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

I am calling boogeyman on the whole "they don't hit R to keep LRMs from getting the kill." Getting target information on your enemy is often the difference in a fight. I can't see any competent pilot giving up this vital information in order to "guard" his kill.


Most likely it is just inexperienced pilot or ones that have gotten into some really bad habits. These two groups can be Legion and sometimes I slip into one of them.

There are many forum warriors that specifically state they don't target because they don't want others to come in and steal their kill. Yes they know about the paper doll information but they deem that less important than the information warfare battle they fight with their own team. Sad but true.

[LordNothing]

DarthRevis, on 29 July 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

When the bads are on yea....but a lot of people are greedy too and dont want the LRM vulture to "steal" their kill.

if somone is lerming your target, hold up on firing, let the missiles soften it for you, then you have room in your heat bar for the coup de grace.

[Lyoto Machida]

WANTED, on 29 July 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

Been seeing more of this lately when I view others games as spectator and I have been seeing more people ignoring the R key and not targeting enemies they are shooting. This is not from ECM coverage either. Also there is an auto target function that kicks in sometimes when shooting an enemy mech but it seems to take to long. If new players or those who for some reason don't hit the target key, I'd like to recommend this lag time be lower if said enemy mech is being hit by your mech. Anyways, just wanted to see if this is seen by others as well more more often than not?

Seems to happen a lot when looking for the last kill and you don't want anyone to steal it from you...especially lecherous LRM boats.

[DAYLEET]

DarthRevis, on 29 July 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

When the bads are on yea....but a lot of people are greedy too and dont want the LRM vulture to "steal" their kill.

Or when you got that mech thats cored on lock and he goes int ohiding and you want him as soon as he pops out and you shoot others unlocked.

[Deathlike]

Matthew Ace, on 29 July 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

The only legit reason I can think of is to avoid notifying the enemy that they are being targeted Otherwise all the reasons stated above.

Um, that is the most dumb thing I've ever heard.

I mean, yes Radar Derp can inform you, but technically it isn't actually the most obvious or apparent. I mean, if you're being LRMed to death, and you get into cover, you essentially get an extra audio cue saying "you're not being spotted by the LRMer" anymore.


Still, I think most of what's happening is generally due to having no tutorial, but more importantly not seeing "the value" of just targeting players. Why put in more effort into hitting something when you can finish them smartly?

It's Lostech honestly.

Anyone who honestly believes that they should do this to deny an LRM boat kill are terrible players. Enemies dying quicker is better than you dying quicker. LRMs "keeping people busy" as much they are terribad weapons is better than you taking a full uncontested alpha from your targets.

It's mindboggling at the very least.

[Zoid]

RoboPatton, on 29 July 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

I saw this a few times the last couple of games while spectating. Wonder if it's just new players?

Then we have a crapton of new players.

I notice it most often when spectating a losing game. If I'm dead and we're winning people are usually locking. Wonder if there's some correlation...

[Matthew Ace]

Deathlike, on 29 July 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

Um, that is the most dumb thing I've ever heard.

I mean, yes Radar Derp can inform you, but technically it isn't actually the most obvious or apparent. I mean, if you're being LRMed to death, and you get into cover, you essentially get an extra audio cue saying "you're not being spotted by the LRMer" anymore.


Still, I think most of what's happening is generally due to having no tutorial, but more importantly not seeing "the value" of just targeting players. Why put in more effort into hitting something when you can finish them smartly?

It's Lostech honestly.

Anyone who honestly believes that they should do this to deny an LRM boat kill are terrible players. Enemies dying quicker is better than you dying quicker. LRMs "keeping people busy" as much they are terribad weapons is better than you taking a full uncontested alpha from your targets.

It's mindboggling at the very least.

Can't say I disagree with that; the holy "R" button is second nature to me, as 'E' and 'R' have been in MW2/3/4.