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#41 Kaptain

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 05:31 PM

View PostShinobiHunter, on 22 October 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

AMD FX 6300 plays MWO ok, especially if you overclock it. Everyone here is Intel fanboys (no offence guys), but the AMD gets the job done.


EDIT:

I was wrong.

Get an i3 4170 at micro center and avoid AMD!

Edited by Kaptain, 30 October 2015 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2015 - 06:11 PM

View PostMarack Drock, on 22 October 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

Dude I am playing MWO flawlessly on a 150 dollar HP Elitebook with Intel HD graphics.

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 06:27 PM

View PostKaptain, on 22 October 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:


WOW!

I would use the gtx760 newegg has on ebay though. Twice the texture fill and memory bandwidth.
http://www.ebay.com/...58433?#shpCntId
http://www.geforce.c.../specifications
http://www.geforce.c.../specifications


That's a heck of a deal. I agree, that's definitely the way to go.

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 06:36 PM

View PostKaptain, on 22 October 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

Better than ok and better than gets the job done. The FX6300 (4.5ghz, parking hot fixed) rig I just built for a friend plays it so well I almost wish I had saved the money on my I5-6600k build and just used a fx6300. In MWO, a very cpu bound game, the fx6300 is able to pump out 80+ FPS on high/very high 1080p. If it was between a dual core and an fx6300 I would use the fx6300. Apparently DV possesses some kind of voodoo computer building magic though... seeing as a system can be built with an I5 for less than $500 that is the best option.

That can only possibly by the case if you left that Skylake chip at stock clocks. You bump the bCLK up by even 1MhZ and it's going to wash that FX6300 down the drain. The 6600K has vastly superior IPC and a more efficient memory controller that also supports a higher-bandwidth memory standard in addition to the chipset handling SSDs and PCIe lanes much better. Until Zen CPUs come out, there isn't a reason to recommend AMD at all anymore. At any price point there's probably a better Intel chip.

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Posted 22 October 2015 - 07:54 PM

EDIT:

I was wrong.

Get an i3 4170 at micro center and avoid AMD!

Edited by Kaptain, 30 October 2015 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2015 - 04:17 AM

Maybe pgi improved their code by now, but last time it was tested big close quarter fights require lots of per-core performance. And intel cpu's are better at that.
http://anandtech.com...uct/1265?vs=699

For gaming in general (and this game in particular) it's better to combine an i5 4460 with a $40 motherboard if the budget allows. Has nothing to do with fanboyism. You could save some with the 6300, but you could also get an i3.

I don't like skylake, performance barely improved and prices went up, agian. Seems to sell though. Hopefully zen can match the per core performance of sandy bridge.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 04:38 AM

View PostKaptain, on 22 October 2015 - 07:54 PM, said:

Washed down the drain?

My skylake is running 24/7 4.5 at 1.225v on an TT Extreme 3.0 240mm AIO.

At 100fps on Tourmaline Desert (high/veryhigh, 1080P, aa on, blur off, glass on) the fx6300 @ 4.5 is very competitive vs the 125fps my Skylake @ 4.5 gets. (both using a gtx770 classified at 1300mhz)

I will say that the I3 3220 does look very interesting at $115
http://www.cpubenchm...-3220+@+3.30GHz
https://www.cpubench...X-6300+Six-Core

Bill Lumbar used to say the same things about his FX 8-core OCed to 5GhZ. Then we compared my numbers from a 2600K at 4.4GhZ and we realized that the AMD chips didn't even come close. His FX had dips all the way down into the high 20s and a few times it even hit 0fps while my 2600K never went below mid-30s. When I got my Haswell-E chip to 4.2GhZ we saw a slightly bigger difference. When he got his Haswell chip up to 4.5 (I think it was 4.5, it could have been 4.8) it was an even bigger difference.

Trust me, those around the hardware subforum for long enough have seen the numbers (they're still around somewhere) and we all know exactly how poor the AMD chips are compared to the recent Intel chips. The gap between Haswell and Piledriver was around 800MhZ (meaning you need to OC AMD 800MhZ higher to get the same performance as Intel). With Skylake that has probably jumped to 850-900MhZ. It's like putting a stock V8 Mustang against a stock V6 GT-R.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 05:19 AM

I agree with Wired. I'm sorry, but I'm enormously dubious of claims of 100fps FX6300s, or even 80fps FX6300s, or even 60fps FX6300s. I have no doubt, during GPU-dependent moments, that it spikes that high, but I doubt that's even a mean, and there's no possible way those are minimums.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 05:21 AM

View PostCatamount, on 23 October 2015 - 05:19 AM, said:

I agree with Wired. I'm sorry, but I'm enormously dubious of claims of 100fps FX6300s, or even 80fps FX6300s, or even 60fps FX6300s. I have no doubt, during GPU-dependent moments, that it spikes that high, but I doubt that's even a mean, and there's no possible way those are minimums.


And this guy bleeds team red.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 05:22 AM

He's not lying!

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 08:53 AM

View PostCatamount, on 23 October 2015 - 05:19 AM, said:

I agree with Wired. I'm sorry, but I'm enormously dubious of claims of 100fps FX6300s, or even 80fps FX6300s, or even 60fps FX6300s. I have no doubt, during GPU-dependent moments, that it spikes that high, but I doubt that's even a mean, and there's no possible way those are minimums.


I will use fraps on Friday when I install his gtx760 to log some data. I had his system for several days and during that time I often forgot I was playing on his system and not my I5.

I also think much of the bad FX press comes from the core parking issue. Before applying the Microsoft hot fixes it was parking 3 cores and performance was crap. The hot fixes completely resolved this problem.

EDIT:

I was wrong.

Get an i3 4170 at micro center and avoid AMD!

Edited by Kaptain, 30 October 2015 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2015 - 10:14 AM

HWiNFO + Afterburner + GenericLogViewer gets results.

But Process Explorer is kind'a handy, too …

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 10:43 AM

could also try a small tool called settimerresolution, see if keeping that active in the background does something similar to unparking

Powerplan on balanced vs high performance would be interesting to test too.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 10:54 AM

View PostKaptain, on 23 October 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

I will use fraps on Friday when I install his gtx760 to log some data. I had his system for several days and during that time I often forgot I was playing on his system and not my I5.

I also think much of the bad FX press comes from the core parking issue. Before applying the Microsoft hot fixes it was parking 3 cores and performance was crap. The hot fixes completely resolved this problem.

We don't really eat press releases here. We rely on data.

But, to be completely and utterly crushing of the notion that an FX6300 is anywhere near as performant as a new Skylake i5... at the stock clocks, Skylake is almost 50% faster clock per clock than Piledriver. Cinebench, wprime, and other CPU benchmarks where you can test single-threaded performance show this very plainly. Even AMD has admitted to how lacking Bulldozer and Piledriver are and is moving on to Zen.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 12:25 PM

EDIT:

I was wrong.

Get an i3 4170 at micro center and avoid AMD!

Edited by Kaptain, 30 October 2015 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2015 - 12:34 PM

View PostKaptain, on 23 October 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:


Says the guy who has provided exactly zero links to his data he claims exists "somewhere" :P I think you deliberately misinterpreted that statement? but ill swap "press release" for "word of mouth" to be perfectly clear. I wonder how many users are playing on an fx chip and getting about half the FPS they should be getting because the chip was parking. When I first got my buddies system up and running I was getting yellow fps in the mid 40s. After applying the hotfix performance doubled and I never noticed it drop out of the green. I agree I need to record the fps so I know what min and averages are. Perhaps their is a huge difference in performance. I sure didn't notice it though.

And for the record I'm not arguing that the I5 and FX are the same. I am well aware of the single core performance difference. What I am claiming is that the FX6300, especially overclocked, delivered/delivers a very enjoyable experience, on high, in this game.

No, no word of mouth. Anandtech CPU shows the near 50% disparity between Piledriver and Skylake. On top of that, multiple forum members (including myself) have posted our hardware setups and actual performance numbers here in other threads. There is no word of mouth, there is only Zuul data.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 01:05 PM

EDIT:

I was wrong.

Get an i3 4170 at micro center and avoid AMD!

Edited by Kaptain, 30 October 2015 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2015 - 02:07 PM

Annnnd you think the threshold for "worth money" somehow falls within your ⅔?

View PostKaptain, on 22 October 2015 - 07:54 PM, said:

At 100fps on Tourmaline Desert (high/veryhigh, 1080P, aa on, blur off, glass on) …

Tourmaline is not a hard map …

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 02:27 PM

Can't really use non MWO benchmarks to compare CPUs and then guess how they'll run MWO. Even if AMD and Intel are close on a benchmark with another Cryengine 3 game it doesn't indicate how they'll run MWO.

MWO has always run better on intel hardware than on AMD. Check on ebay and see if anyone's selling their old i5/i7 systems. I'm running the game fine on my i72600k from 2011 and a 7800 series Radeon card.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 03:00 PM

500 is easy, you dont have to build it yourself either. I got an AMD ( yes whatever intel snobs) hex core, 8 gig ram, and a 1 T hd, tower on ebay for 350 delivered. I spent 150 on a nvidia 950gtx ti, and I get 60 fps solid with low settings. I slapped another 8 gigs of ram in there for another 45. But I have a rig that delivers what I need it to. I didnt have to build it just put in a card. I have room for 16 more gigs of ram, and it came with win 7 pro.





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