Why The Bad Reputation?
#1
Posted 02 December 2015 - 12:07 PM
#2
Posted 02 December 2015 - 12:12 PM
#3
Posted 02 December 2015 - 12:15 PM
CW was far more populated in those days and unfortunately for Davion, a couple things happened: the big merc units left for more lucrative contracts; people wanted to get in on the Clan Onslaught tearing its way through the FRR, Steiner, and Kurita; and the other factions kind of got tired of Davion's attacks and responded.
This happened at a bad time for Davion: Liao was really underpopulated in those days and there's only so many times you can ghost-drop a planet away before it becomes boring; players left CW; the huge units that Davion had also depopulated.
So what happened is that everyone started tearing into Davion just as they lost their population, most experienced units, and people started giving up on the Clan front.
The bad blood stuck around, the population didn't come back, annnnnnnnd that brings us to now.
#4
Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:20 PM
Scifi Toughguy, on 02 December 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:
Factions that are salty about having to try to make up for something they lack perhaps...
Davion get great fights against the clan turkey and the clan puppy dog. Can't remember the last time I saw bad blood..
#5
Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:29 PM
Edited by TheSilken, 02 December 2015 - 09:30 PM.
#6
Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:43 PM
And until the last reset on CW, House Davion, Liao and Marik could only obtain defensive contracts vs Clans from the other 3 Houses, thus few incentive to stay with said houses. And right now, there is no real game incentive to be loyal to any faction, or to even join a faction unless you intend to play CW. It is like Everquest in its heyday, Raids became the centerpiece but there was still lots to do for the groupers, and even the raiders had to hit the group game to regain experience, level up and gain AA, etc. Atm CW is not even close to being the centerpiece of the game, and I am not sure it will ever get there. /shrugs
#7
Posted 03 December 2015 - 12:16 AM
Another thing is Davion pugs tend to bring Lrms, and in CW Lrms aren't the best (generally) to bring.
Tbh, I think the reputation is hyperbolic but it is what it is.
#8
Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:56 AM
#9
Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:10 AM
Edited by Mordin Ashe, 09 December 2015 - 11:10 AM.
#10
Posted 09 December 2015 - 11:16 AM
#11
Posted 09 December 2015 - 03:48 PM
#12
Posted 09 December 2015 - 04:44 PM
#13
Posted 09 December 2015 - 04:53 PM
They have the most PuGs, the worst PuGs, and as Silken put it, are largely comprised of "casual lore-heads."
A Davion will always be the only one on your CW drop who brings a LRM boat. Or a NARC scout. (And NEVER both together.)
Edited by Lilium Magnus the Bloodwitch, 09 December 2015 - 04:53 PM.
#14
Posted 09 December 2015 - 05:51 PM
1: It is the first faction choice on the list and has a "cool" emblem. So a lot of "new" people who don't know any better pick it.
2: Wazan, was one of the most fought over planets, in the early days, before the Clans. To the point where it's name became a battle cry "WAAAghZAAAAAAN!!!".
[CORRECTION]
3: The only Davin loyalist unit that put up tough fight, was the
4: Plus all the comments above.
Edited by Neput Z34, 10 December 2015 - 03:40 PM.
#15
Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:44 PM
Repasy, on 09 December 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:
While true there are merc units that left Davion and other pilots that have defected to other factions, Davion still has its fair share of skilled players by all means... ...I can vouch that we have some prominent and effect CW leadership as well, particularly from the HHoD unit (you guys know who you are )
Lilium Magnus the Bloodwitch, on 09 December 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:
A Davion will always be the only one on your CW drop who brings a LRM boat. Or a NARC scout. (And NEVER both together.)
Well possibly true regarding pugs, but have seen plenty that do and can pull their weight. On the flip side, the coordination between davion units at the moment is pretty damn good - this was more than evident in the Tukayyid event with HHoD, ARMD, RRB, 31HS, AW, TOG and many more units all banding together to form up multiple groups.
It is an honour to have led 12 man groups that consisted of players from not only 2/3 units at a time, but also pugs & then go on to win consecutive matches all afternoon on the final day of the event. (On a side note for the best part we didn't have any LRM boats or NARC mechs in those matches...). Can't say I could call out anyone on the teams I led that did pull their weight.
Whatever you think though, at the end of the day the Davion pilots we typically drop with are committed, dedicated and passionate players. To me that is Davion.
Neput Z34, on 09 December 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:
The wounds from Wazan are still sore.. ..that was one bitterly contested planet. How many days (months?) did we fight over it lol. #neverforget
Edited by White Bear 84, 09 December 2015 - 10:46 PM.
#16
Posted 09 December 2015 - 10:52 PM
A lot of bad blood happened and a lot of units left. Beyond that we just sorta hit this threshold - we coordinated, we kicked a$$ and we focused on winning worlds and.... it meant nothing. The problem with going at something 110% is that when you realize what you're putting in 110% effort for is worth, maybe, 40%, well, you tend to re-evaluate a lot.
When some very skilled keystone units left it became harder and harder to motivate people to coordinate the same way. We also had a peculiar response to that among what you could call '2nd tier' units and players - those people who were good, coordinated and focused, when the 1st tier players left. It's like we just sorta doubled-down on bad habits. LRMs are a great example. I am absolutely 100% convinced that there's a good sized segment of the Davion population that runs LRMs specifically because everyone else says they are bad. There's some similar attitudes about bad tactics. Perhaps it's a reflex to the centralized authority we had, maybe it's just pushing back against so many people trying to get you to change, it's hard to say.
There's some awesome people in Davion. However almost everyone left recognizes how utterly pointless CW is and will be for the forseable future. There's nothing in Phase 3 that gives any purpose or reason to be house loyalist units, it's still something PGI is actively punishing. No reason to win, really. Other than grinding rewards.
Groups go in cycles. If PGI ever gives 1/10th of one single flying f**k about CW having some purpose or not literally punishing units and players for faction loyalty (loyalty points. How ironic is that?) you may see a sudden upsurge in Davion. Currently though whatever else you can say.... Davion fills drops. Probably fills more drops than Liao, Marik and Steiner put together in most 24 hour periods. They do it on a lot of fronts and they bring LRMs and periodically they decide to go with bad ideas, but they show up and fill matches, even though the whole game is more or less stacked against them. That's got its own sort of cred.
#17
Posted 13 December 2015 - 06:15 PM
Neput Z34, on 09 December 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:
1: It is the first faction choice on the list and has a "cool" emblem. So a lot of "new" people who don't know any better pick it.
2: Wazan, was one of the most fought over planets, in the early days, before the Clans. To the point where it's name became a battle cry "WAAAghZAAAAAAN!!!".
[CORRECTION]
3: The only Davin loyalist unit that put up tough fight, was the
4: Plus all the comments above.
Thanks. That means a lot. WE have been on tour like a lot of other units. Mostly like everyone else cruising the northern part of the map for the clan v IS fights
#20
Posted 14 December 2015 - 06:32 AM
Edited by Czarr, 14 December 2015 - 06:32 AM.
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