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[White Bear 84]

Edited by White Bear 84, 02 February 2016 - 08:33 PM.

[Hollehund]

Seals that bring in trial ebon jags deserve to be clubbed.... If you want a real look into how MS thinks, go attend one of our town halls and see that we are advocating more then half of what your arguing as to what is wrong with CW as a whole.

http://mwomercs.com/...w-roundtable-1/

[MrJeffers]

Adamski, on 02 February 2016 - 07:28 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that you are only locked out of CW between when the Contract Expires / 3 day penalty expires, until you sign up for another contract.

The 3 day wait period still allows you to drop with your old faction.

And you would be mistaken. When you cancel your contract it cancels your affiliation just like if your contract expired. You can't drop with any faction because you are set back to lone wolf so you can't play CW until you establish a new contract which has a 3 day waiting period when you cancel.

Edited by MrJeffers, 02 February 2016 - 10:50 PM.

[Havyek]

Muddy Funster, on 02 February 2016 - 08:27 PM, said:

I'm not so sure about that for all their members. Some individuals in MS make it clear in-match (CW) that stomping all over pugs is why they are there, and they seemingly enjoy and fuel the bitterness from opposing players in chat.

Might only be a portion of the unit, but it is there. Seen it playing with and against them.

A unit MS's size is always going to have the good bad, the ugly.

Most of us have fun playing matches with each other, killing PUGs isn't a grand old time, but we'll shoot the ****, call each other names, and usually shoot each other and have fun during the matches. Playing against an organized opponent is 10x more fun for 90% of us.

[Eboli]

They are purely doing it for their own selfish needs. They are part of the problem that created the current situation of driving off a lot of players so all they want to do is swap teams in order to keep their selfish needs.

You are not special MS so if you want to break contract then bloody well pay the penalty. The sooner the CW Unit changes are bought in the better so units like yours get what you deserve and created.

Edited by Eboli, 02 February 2016 - 08:45 PM.

[xX PUG Xx]

Kaisha, on 02 February 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

I have world firsts under my belt in other games. I was ranked top 16th and 23rd on the West ladder in WC3 TFT (not good enough to go pro, but certainly good enough to play against them on a regular basis). Some of my favorite games as a child were Ninja Gaiden and Battletoads for the NES. I'm sorry but they whole 'anyone who doesn't agree is a bad player' is complete BS. If someone at my skill level can't cut it, then you have a problem. I have tested myself against some of the best players in the world (not just the best players of a small game no one plays), I know where I stand (ie. I have no delusions of grandeur, I have played against true pros, I know what they are actually capable of), what you have in CW is not a 'challenge', its just a mess.

Huh, what?

1. I didn't say if players disagreed with me they must be bad, I stated that I like the challenge. You can take from that what you will.
2. Claiming you're skilled after saying that you struggle to compete doesn't make sense, while then saying that I must have a problem because you struggle is just nuts.
3. MWO is the first online PC game I have ever played, my online "career" started with the original Xbox (aka the black brick) and consistently ranked in the top 20 on Rainbow Six:Lockdown and GRAW and......who cares, it was over 15 years ago. Back then I played every single player game on the hardest difficulty and standard configs, even in the MP I would not alter brightness, gamma or contrast because I felt it altered the way the game was meant to be played and therefore cheapened a victory.

I prefer a hard fight to an easy win but hey ho, that's just me.

[Hydrocarbon]

Think Tukkyidd 1 where the avg IS queue wait was 20+ mins.

Remember PGI offered free 1-time faction swaps to reduce queue time. Russ probably would have okay'd more than just MS if there was another IS unit that could field 1 full 12-man 24/7 and 2-3 during NA prime time.

Metus regem, on 02 February 2016 - 05:51 PM, said:

They are as Russ would put it Mediocre! Jaggoffs are just chasing the quirks to make themselves feel like they are actually good....

So you're saying quirk meta changes WEEKLY? Because since the last Tukkiyid MS has been on a 1-week swing between IS & Clan - the initial Wolf contract was just extended to stay clan for the event. MS was already bound for either Falcons, Bear, or Jags Tuesday Feb 2 (oh wait, that's TODAY).

oldradagast, on 02 February 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

Simple: Big units have basically wrecked CW for the casual player and PUG. They have also mounted a long-standing campaign to prevent any changes to the format that would reduce seal-clubbing using idiotic excuses

lolerskates! You must realize 2 of the largest units in the game are little more than causal PUGs standing united on a single teamspeak. But you probably can't because you're a casual gamer that can't see past his own LRM20 racks.

In case you aren't aware, the 12-man I was on last night fought 8 matches last night and SEVEN were organized teams (FRR & Kurita hub teams and an EMP partial). All those 7 teams would have wrecked any casual PUG team.

Special treatment or not, Russ & MS got it done. DEAL WITH IT lolol

Adamski, on 02 February 2016 - 07:36 PM, said:

Dude, here is what actually happened:
Large Unit (MS): Hey Russ, CW populations are unbalanced, we can help if you will move us to a Clan faction
Russ: Hey, yeah, that will help my product (MWO / CW) and help create goodwill (Russ & MS are not on the best terms), so sure!
Butthurts: WAAAAH!!! MS GOT SOMETHING FREE!!!

[Hydrocarbon]

oldradagast, on 02 February 2016 - 07:48 PM, said:

I walked away from CW a long time ago

Yet you still seem salty as all F***. I'm curious how long you hold a grudge when it comes to something serious, like calling you a doodoo head.

oldradagast, on 02 February 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

Does that mean I can have a few free mechs?

Sure, PGI gives them out at least once a month now. You don't even have to play CW for them...

Kaisha, on 02 February 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

what you have in CW is not a 'challenge', its just a mess.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. But this is Battletech so for most people that's IMPOSHIBRA!

[N0MAD]

Altho i got an SJ emblem im not MS, dont belong to a unit full stop.
You got to actually feel sorry for MS having to actually take this path to get a game.
That CW is such that teams cant get decent games and have to seal club, ghostdrop, or have rules ignored to get them any sort of game is just sad, I seriously wonder why they bother or how much longer they will bother.
Its not going to get better for the larger groups, solo Q will hurt them, even they MC rewards for planets will hurt them, they may reap the MC rewards but a lot of smaller groups are going to miss out and will get pissed that altho they fought for control of a planet, they will not share in the rewards so why bother?.
A lot of the smaller groups may not care but there will be the ones that do, small groups or individuals that want to share the booty will want to join the bigger groups but new recruitment rules will discourage bigger groups recruiting.
Cant see anything planed for CW that will make it any better for them in the future.

[Bishop Steiner]

And I have a pink Kodiak.

That's how much I care.

[Clownwarlord]

Here I have a question: Why did MS ask to switch factions and have Russ do it for them? Why not just pay the penalty and wait the 3 days? Everyone else does, and its not like should be an issue so long as you haven't wasted all your CBills.

Also for all those who said unit coffers are useless ... here is your answer why you should have been making deposits (idiots).

[Kin3ticX]

oldradagast, on 02 February 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

So what? How does ANY of that justify giving out handouts to players that don't need the freebies?

And that doesn't even begin to touch upon the idiocy of giving such a handout to people as basically a reward for driving everyone else out of the format? Or is CW now a "battleground for units, providing that's not remotely inconvenient for said units, and there aren't some seals to club nearby that would be easier targets?"

This is also a Battletech game about big, killer robots? Does that mean I can have a few free mechs?

Don't hold your breath waiting for a free mech over this

[crashlogic]

This was a bad show on the part of MS for asking..they should break the contract and pay the penalty. Its a bad show for russ to grant it. The clan failure in CW is not that much of an issue, given that a single well organized unit dominated the game. Its part and parcel for any mmo-some guilds will be very dedicated and kill off other guilds, and lock out pick up players. Letting MS switch sides is one solution. So is simply disbanding the unit because of house treachery (Which is why, in part, wolf's dragoons could never take over the IS). Otherwise we could always bring in the word of blake to mess everyone up and disband all units, destroy a bunch of planets, and reset the whole thing.
Ultimately it is up to PGI to sort out how to make CW interesting and viable. This might be an impossible task, given the fact that if the differences in clan and sphere were accurately reflected in the game, the clans would steamroll (Go to any thread where they discuss quirks....).
MS dominates the CW game, and that is fine. If they get bored hitting turrets on planets, then they can reflect upon whether they want to continue playing as a unit. That's their choice.
What will ultimately kill this game, or any game, is if a few players acquire the ability to influence the developers. Even the perception and rumor of "special privileges for elite units can render the game a laughingstock. Even if it does not hurt MWO As a whole, it certainly will cripple the already weak reputation CW has as it is.
So yes. Bad show.

[Malachy Karrde]

Don't see why this is a problem. Ive beaten MS with a PUG team before and right now IS > Clans for CW. I am all for having some help on the clan side, sat in a queue for an hour before I got a match the other night. IS fills right up in a few seconds then the clan side has to wait forever to get people. More power to MS for going to the gimped side.

[Clownwarlord]

I have nothing wrong with any unit switching factions, problem I have is if there are rules for CBill penalty for breaking contracts for everyone then they should be enforced for everyone.

[Adamski]

N0MAD, on 02 February 2016 - 09:45 PM, said:

Altho i got an SJ emblem im not MS, dont belong to a unit full stop.
You got to actually feel sorry for MS having to actually take this path to get a game.
That CW is such that teams cant get decent games and have to seal club, ghostdrop, or have rules ignored to get them any sort of game is just sad, I seriously wonder why they bother or how much longer they will bother.
Its not going to get better for the larger groups, solo Q will hurt them, even they MC rewards for planets will hurt them, they may reap the MC rewards but a lot of smaller groups are going to miss out and will get pissed that altho they fought for control of a planet, they will not share in the rewards so why bother?.
A lot of the smaller groups may not care but there will be the ones that do, small groups or individuals that want to share the booty will want to join the bigger groups but new recruitment rules will discourage bigger groups recruiting.
Cant see anything planed for CW that will make it any better for them in the future.

This is partially a problem of -MS- own making, by encouraging more players to glomp all into a single unit, it means that they may have a large population, but it cannibalizes the rest of the population reducing their pool of opponents.

This is also a problem of PGI's making, by not providing ANY sort of incentive for players to spread among the factions, nor any penalty for factions having too many players. (Hopefully this will change with CW Phase 3, where the Merc Contracts how faction populations and give bonuses based on them).

Edited by Adamski, 02 February 2016 - 10:51 PM.

[Kyle Ward]

I dont mind sparing them the 3day cooldown, but the cbill penalty should still be paid. Making the switch completely for free is just unfair to everyone else.

[Kilo 40]

Russ has been the battered housewife to the big units for quite awhile now. It's why CW is set up to cater to them.

[Aresye]

clownwarlord, on 02 February 2016 - 10:45 PM, said:

I have nothing wrong with any unit switching factions, problem I have is if there are rules for CBill penalty for breaking contracts for everyone then they should be enforced for everyone.

PGI has offered and allowed units to swap sides in the past without a CBill or cooldown penalty.

The way I see it, the events probably unfolded like this:
- MS can't get games because most units (including some loyalist Clan units like SWOL) went to the IS.
- Remaining Clan teams slowed and/or stopped playing CW altogether due to balance (most maps favor the IS's advantage in range), skill disparity (most comp teams and above average units went IS), and futility (any progress wiped out almost instantly by the sheer numbers of IS players).
- With the exception of a couple sub-units within MS, the majority of the unit's entire focus is CW.
- MS probably wasn't even worried about the CBill penalty, but rather the 72hr cooldown penalty in which most of their players would end up being stuck ghost dropping for the next 3 days.
- Knowing PGI has allowed units in the past to break their contracts penalty free in order to solve population imbalances, MS thought, "Why not ask?"
- MS asked, and PGI said yes.

Result: Tonight saw a big spike in activity across many factions. I saw at least 2-3 games (24-36 players each side) being fought on at least 4 separate planets.

P.S. On a separate note, MS made this switch knowing full well that most of the comp teams were still IS.

[Kwea]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 02 February 2016 - 06:57 PM, said:

I don't understand why this is upsetting.

Because people are idiots.