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[InspectorG]

Ive noticed Euros are more conservative as well.

Cant stand it when they camp death valley on Canyon just to get surrounded.

But different cultures have different styles.

Back when i played PSO, you have 'Murikans, Japanese, and some Euros.

Japanese were very team and support oriented, stayed in tight formations.

Euros did something different but cant remember, but i knew a German who was a pimp with Challenge mode. Everyone ran to him to help farm S-Ranks.

Americans were very independent-minded. You were expected to stick to a loose plan, camp certain spawn points all alone and if you didnt have the equips to do it, dont bother unless a teammate could lend them.

TA's were even worse.

[SQW]

Thunder Child, on 11 February 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

The European server seems to have a lot of LRMs and conservative play. And by LRMs, I don't mean LURMers sitting in a corner splashing missiles against walls, buildings, cliffs, trees, and the occasional mech. I'm referring to clear firing lanes and ambushes that you weren't even aware you had walked into, until missiles rain in from 3 different directions, and somewhere a goddamn spotter is hiding, LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU, but NEVER fires a shot. He likes to Watch....

Haha, that's exactly what I do in my narc Raven-3L and I'm an Aussie. Last night, I paired with Narc Bait and we rolled the other team 12-0 on polar. The power of two support mechs with 20 dps between them. lol

On the flip side, hardly anyone got LRM the next game so we lost 7-12. =(

Usually avoid the EU server due to 350+ pin but I may dip in a bit tonight.

[jaxjace]

Never play oceanic, you play oceanic you gonna have a bad time.

The Europeans seem to be the most tactile and aggressive of all. I dont mind playing there.

[Groovdog]

I don't care where I am, the sit for 6 minutes and get surrounded strategy seems to be becoming more common the higher I go. It fails more than it works and I always seem to be on the flank that gets hit. Going to have always go the other flank when it becomes obvious what is going to happen. Shout out to those who take charge and arent asses about it as it certainly helps regardless of the strat.

[Groovdog]

Wolfways, on 11 February 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

So EU prefers tactics while US prefers just charging in? Sounds about right

What does the EU know about tactics? The only tactical geniuses out of the EU in the last 100 years got beaten down by their lack of strategic vision (insanity doesnt help things to their credit). Give you a hint its the same country that I respnded to earlier

And dont get me started on my experiences as an exchange cadet with the Bundeswehr. The Soviets would have owned all of the W. European countries prior to their collapse. Simply too much time in bierkellar...

[Soultraxx]

I can stay out of this argument as Im English and consider myself to be non European, non US and non Oceanic.

☺

[Percimes]

Oh man, oh man, where to begin... months of frustrations waiting to come out... If there was a subscription fee each months I would have cancelled by now.

I can't play during the American primetime due to working at night (and sleeping in the evening). So I play in the afternoon, on all servers if I want tolerable wait times. It's horrible. I'm not blaming one region, by the pings there are many guilty and the MM is probably doing all it can with what it's got with the tiers. Still, it's horrible.

It's not defensive play: it's lets hide and wait play. Defensive play would imply choosing a position where it was a possible to defend from, not some hole to get surrounded in.

If you spot the enemy team with an UAV, your guys make sure to either ignore it or move away from the reds. They would rather chase the squirrel in the back, all height of them, be them fast mechs or slow assaults: hey! it's an easy kill! Now the four dumb mechs who held the "front" are down. And the squirrel ran away...

If it's not for chasing a lone mech they have the brilliant idea to "flank" the enemy team. To flank there must be a front, when you all come from the side the reds simply turn toward you and you're in front of them now. Bonus points if you nascar it instead.

Why am I the one who finds the enemy team no matter the weight class I'm in? Because it's easy, people play the maps the same way all the time. Why despite that are they completely clueless about where the enemy team will be going to? Even if you tell them. Even if you light them up. I guess my next option if to fire on my own teammates from the general direction the enemy is and hope they turn that way... No? Ah man...

The only reason I mini-game the game mode multiplier is to avoid conquest, those are even worse then the rest.

But it's friday! I don't have to go to sleep early in the evening and I might have some ok games tonight.

[KHETTI]

Those that finger point and say " hey , you EU/NA players, your the reason i lose!", just so you know......
Your the Under Hive.
Your the guy standing right up a team mates @ss.
Your the guy with LRMs spamming fire, 2000m behind the main line.
Your the guy that spends all game flanking that one guy, while your team mates get rolled.
Your the guy who goes capping in an Assault on conquest.
Your the guy who chases the cookie.
Your the guy that has no trigger discipline and routinely blows friendlies back armor out.
Your the guy that thinks team mates steal your kills.
Your the guy who crosses in-front of a firing line, and then whines about FF.
Your the guy who thinks giving up the high ground to the enemy is a smart move.
Your the guy who chickens out when the team calls for a push.
Your the guy who stops on ramps and access ways.
Your that last guy in a light, who drags the game out for another 7 minutes while achieving nothing.
Sinking in yet?

[Slambert]

I agree that there is a marked difference toward "defensive" playstyle when choosing certain servers or playing at certain times.

I know it has previously been observed that its probably a eoropean player trait.

I'm just wondering if there can be other explanations. MWO has more "old farts" playing than the average shooter game. Also MWO attracts more players who likes the term "thinking mans shooter".

Also I'm not seeing a whole lot of defense on the forums for the defensive playstyle.

Perhaps there's just a large group of old farts playing mainly at certain times, who are not vocal on forums, like to move slowly and with careful consideration - and perhaps have trouble processing data fast enough to react what the average gamer considers "aggressive".

oh yeah - I'm an old euro fart. I played CS aggressive with a P90 and "W" pressed down all the time - and I tend to play MWO the same way. I also played a lot of other online multiplayer games and have never found this EURO chicken **** phenomenon before.

Anybody have other theories that might explain the defensive play (my "old fart" theory is pretty thin)?

Edited by Slambert, 12 February 2016 - 10:33 AM.

[Percimes]

KHETTI, on 12 February 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

Those that finger point and say " hey , you EU/NA players, your the reason i lose!", just so you know......
Your the Under Hive.
Your the guy standing right up a team mates @ss.
Your the guy with LRMs spamming fire, 2000m behind the main line.
Your the guy that spends all game flanking that one guy, while your team mates get rolled.
Your the guy who goes capping in an Assault on conquest.
Your the guy who chases the cookie.
Your the guy that has no trigger discipline and routinely blows friendlies back armor out.
Your the guy that thinks team mates steal your kills.
Your the guy who crosses in-front of a firing line, and then whines about FF.
Your the guy who thinks giving up the high ground to the enemy is a smart move.
Your the guy who chickens out when the team calls for a push.
Your the guy who stops on ramps and access ways.
Your that last guy in a light, who drags the game out for another 7 minutes while achieving nothing.
Sinking in yet?

You're

[AssaultPig]

man this thread is the opposite of my experience; I feel like I've found euros to be more aggressive (I'd probably play there more if my ping to the euro servers wasn't kinda unstable.)

[KHETTI]

Percimes, on 12 February 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

You're

yup realized my Grammer was wrong, too lazy to do anything about it.

Edited by KHETTI, 12 February 2016 - 10:41 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Groovdog,

Did you just collectively insult all the EU players...players of a video game, mind you...based on the assertion that there have been no "tactical geniuses" to come out of the last 100 years? That's, well, so stereo-typically: ugly American. Well played.


As a Midwestern bumpkin allow me to simply add that:

I likes ta play wit dem Euro-folks and dem down under folks too. I like the way y'all talk.

[Kodyn]

It's not bigotry, or racism, at this point it's extremely common knowledge that all 3 servers feature a different style of player.

When a person observes another person has darker skin than they do, or lighter eyes, or curlier hair, this doesn't make them a bigot, it means they have eyes....

Euro server is largely very timid, very LRM and sniper-based, whereas NA server is excessive amounts of nascar and pushing in giant circles.

It used to be that NA server was just more aggressive, therefore more fun, but now it's devolved a bit into just nascar as hard as possible, whenever possible, even in Tier 2.

I almost want to go back and check out EU nowadays to see if they're any less sleepy over there, but the drunken Russian rants and stagnant, slow gameplay bother me slightly more than even the NA nascardation.

This is the only game I've ever said this about, but I think OC guys have the best playstyle. Those Aussie pilots are aggressive, angry, and skilled, wish more of them hung out in NA.

[mogs01gt]

Grimvid, on 11 February 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

Typing this to you from the great state of North Carolina, where the best mechwarriors are trained in the harshest of sitting positions.

This morning on one of my usual before I go out the door to work games, I got to hear yet another rant on bad game-play. This one was a little different, it concerned the abilities and play style of European drivers over the much better American drivers.
A number of people expressed that European players are a camping, non-pushing and non-aggressive style of player. Most rants, in my experience, follow a number of random players caught in bad positions incurring losses that lead into a statically proven defeat. I have had people rant about me. In my two years of experience, I have learned to smash my mechs with the greatest of ease and in a timely manner.

My questions are: Is there a difference in gameplay between the servers? Did dividing the servers cause the European to become group snipers? Are we looking at a form of MechWarrior bigotry?

I stopped playing on the Euro servers do to their passive game play. It was horrible.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

From my time on each server the European one did seem to camp the most, I remember dying there in the death valleys of Canyon Network because no one would move much more than I do on any other server. Oceanic was decently fun, they focused objectives well and would move to take out enemies when needed rather than sitting in place. US prime time usually tends to be rushes at the enemies for quick kills, quick matches, and the most profit per hour of any of them.

I tend to play US server mostly and can tell when its not prime time and will see that often in morning times in the US est when its is around European prime time I find my games to be very stale and notice higher pings on the players. It was bad enough to the point that I rarely play in those times now.

[SuomiWarder]

I don't know if the numbers are big enough to support this theory, but if there are enough ex or currently military folk playing MWO from NA then the general military philosophy of maneuver warfare the US has might help explain why NA teams tend to move around - seeking the enemy, "nascar"ing, etc. Those folk spread the thought that sitting in place is not stopping the opposition.

Even in sports (as opposed to war) the concept that 'the best defense is a good offence' is often quoted. This is believed to be from American boxer Jack Dempsy.

Not saying that any given play style is wrong or bad, just that in large sweeping terms there might be cultural effects in play regionally.

[Y E O N N E]

TexAce, on 11 February 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

I am from Germany (for you uneducated US folks: thats in Europe!) and I have to agree that the playstyle on the european server is slower, more defensive, but also more thoughtout. In other words: 90% of the time just boring. US server is Rambo all the way.

If it were more thought out, they would still push when it's appropriate to do so. There are points in a match where you can secure the win more time-efficiently with a well-placed advance, but more often than not this doesn't happen when playing during EU prime. They continue to try to play defensively to the bitter end, and the result is usually a lopsided match where the team that did make the well-timed push rolls over the team desperately trying to poke.

And, worse, they don't even poke together. They tend to let one or two guys do most of the poking while continuing to hide and vainly attempting to make their massed LRMs work (this **** didn't work in WWI, it won't work here). Eventually, those more aggressive players run out of armor and can't poke, and then the enemy moves in and clobbers the team since nobody is putting pressure on them.

[Percimes]

SuomiWarder, on 12 February 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

Even in sports (as opposed to war) the concept that 'the best defense is a good offence' is often quoted. This is believed to be from American boxer Jack Dempsy.

From all my time in PvP (mostly in MMORPG) I can tell you that defending is usually only a slow defeat. Good maps are not made with very strong defensive positions: there are always multiple access points, routes or ways to get at the enemy. Sieges and waiting games might work in real wars, but they're kind of boring in a gaming context.

When a position is to easy to defend the game stand still. There is no reason for the defenders to get out of it no reason for the attackers to try to get it.

[Charronn]

I'm Scottish.It's not in my nature to hang back,hide and play defensive.
I like to GIRUY and stick the nut in (nut as in napper or heed).
Don't tar us Celts with the same brush as those nancy boy southrons or pansy arsed continentals.
That is all.