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[Tristan Winter]

cazidin, on 26 March 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Is /thread the equivalent to /mic drop?

Sometimes. And sometimes the equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears

Sader325, on 26 March 2016 - 05:26 PM, said:

Not even close.
Hellbringer with 7 ER Smalls and 2 SRM6 will **** on any tempest that tries to brawl.
Tempest sucks at pretty much everything.

I don't really see that Hellbringer build, ever. It's almost always CERMLs or CMPLs, with or without other weapons. But I suppose you're right, I misremembered the structure quirks the Tempest has.

Bluttrunken, on 26 March 2016 - 05:51 PM, said:

Tempest is probably the better LRM boat but I doubt it could stand against a HBR with SPL's and MG's.

See, this is another Hellbringer build I scarcely ever see. Most Hellbringer brawler builds I see are built around the CMPL, and they tend to run very hot in brawls.

[Coralld]

Why are we comparing the Tempest to Hellbringers? Wouldn't it be better to compare it to Mad Dogs sense the Mad Dog is the Clan Archer.

Just like how the Hellbringer is a Clan Warhammer.

Edited by Coralld, 27 March 2016 - 05:47 AM.

[Metus regem]

Coralld, on 27 March 2016 - 05:42 AM, said:

Why are we comparing the Tempest to Hellbringers? Wouldn't it be better to compare it to Mad Dogs sense the Mad Dog is the Clan Archer.

Just like how the Hellbringer is a Clan Warhammer.

It's more than that the Hellbringer and Mad Dog are evolutions of the Warhammer and Archer respectively.


Archer --> Lupus --> Mad Dog

Warhammer --> Hellbringer

[Trauglodyte]

The Archer, despite the variant, won't ever be top tier simply because of the cockpit placement. You can't ridge hump with it and the hard points aren't really spread to the sides so peaking and popping isn't viable. The Archer, for all intents and purposes, is in the game for old schoolers to look at and enjoy driving. Being meta, it isn't ever going to be.

[Roughneck Cobra]

Tried Multiple Builds.

It'll be terrifying as a 2C tweaked, but as is, too dangerous cram an XL into (Even with quirks)

Tempest is actually bad for boating lasers too compared to the regular models.

Sub standard LRM boat (For 70t)

Best builds hang speed around 80Kph with mediums and SRM's or slow as a Bounty Hunter II at 70kph for heavier medium usage and Artemis SRM's.

At 70 Tons of Mech, I would just say yes, its a Collectors Mech and only boosting it with group Aid has created the false points tree on this competition, so PGI will think Oh we got it just right!

May aswell just run the Clans for better ranges and better engines to be blunt.

[Gyrok]

Sader325, on 26 March 2016 - 04:40 PM, said:

The Archer is Punished for taking ECM. (No weapon quirks of note)

The Hellbringer is not punished for taking ECM. (Can use the same exact weapons just as effectively as any other Clan heavy)

The hellbringer has no offensive/defensive quirks because of ECM.

The Archer has defensive quirks and survives focus fire significantly better since the structure quirks...plus it gets some offensive quirks.

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 27 March 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

The hellbringer has no offensive/defensive quirks because of ECM.

The Archer has defensive quirks and survives focus fire significantly better since the structure quirks...plus it gets some offensive quirks.

The Tempest would need some BK/WHM level offensive quirks to compete with a Hellbringer.

Archer geometry demands STD engine, so really the best thing you can do is a STD engine and 3LPLs. It's okay, but 400 meter range is a bit too short. I don't see myself taking that over an ERML-Gauss Hellbringer to be honest. Archers are just not that good.

[Roughneck Cobra]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 March 2016 - 06:53 AM, said:

The Tempest would need some BK/WHM level offensive quirks to compete with a Hellbringer.

Archer geometry demands STD engine, so really the best thing you can do is a STD engine and 3LPLs. It's okay, but 400 meter range is a bit too short. I don't see myself taking that over an ERML-Gauss Hellbringer to be honest. Archers are just not that good.

Nothing support the lasers bar an Mlaser cooldown of 5% which is just more heat to that mech, Missile quirks you can 'half' use on an SRM build, meh.

Fact they are having be butchered boat 3 Large lasers (Or of that variety) and such is just evidence, they truly messed it up as a Missile lifer, and I see a lack of mention from said Laser boaters that it also helps the lifespan keep those doors indefinitely, closed.

Edited by Stryker Ezekiel, 27 March 2016 - 06:57 AM.

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 March 2016 - 06:53 AM, said:

The Tempest would need some BK/WHM level offensive quirks to compete with a Hellbringer.

Archer geometry demands STD engine, so really the best thing you can do is a STD engine and 3LPLs. It's okay, but 400 meter range is a bit too short. I don't see myself taking that over an ERML-Gauss Hellbringer to be honest. Archers are just not that good.

Yeah, but Gauss-ERML HBR is in a league of it's own...even among clan mechs, really. The mounts are just hard to beat...and it pokes like a champ.

HBRs do not really brawl that well, and if you were going brawling...the ARC at least got BK level structure quirks. Plus with 9 SRM4s on the 5W, I really doubt you need more punch in a brawl...you know?

[Roughneck Cobra]

Gyrok, on 27 March 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yeah, but Gauss-ERML HBR is in a league of it's own...even among clan mechs, really. The mounts are just hard to beat...and it pokes like a champ.

HBRs do not really brawl that well, and if you were going brawling...the ARC at least got BK level structure quirks. Plus with 9 SRM4s on the 5W, I really doubt you need more punch in a brawl...you know?

#Tempest discussion Boss, not 5W, thats a league of its own as a Silly SRM cake blaster.

And no the Warhammer Black widow since the Champs have their own tweaks, it still doesnt stand upto a BW and you know this from me being stood by you!

Edited by Stryker Ezekiel, 27 March 2016 - 06:59 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

I wouldn't take an Archer or an HBR to be honest. Those side torsos on the Archer just fall of immediately, and Hellbringer is at home poking from a moderate range.

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 March 2016 - 09:10 AM, said:

I wouldn't take an Archer or an HBR to be honest. Those side torsos on the Archer just fall of immediately, and Hellbringer is at home poking from a moderate range.

The archer is quite a bit better since structure quirks. It legitimately takes an entire extra shot to pop the ST now than it used to...especially if doors closed.

It is clearly not a BK in terms of tanking...but it is strong enough now to roll nicely in a murderball near the front in my mind...