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[Khereg]

MaxFool, on 02 June 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

I have reported DaFrog! For doing that crap when he was a team mate.

And just to be clear, I have no problem with people reporting him when he does this stuff. It's entirely appropriate from my point of view.

I just personally don't report people very often for much of anything. There's no big philosophical construct behind that decision, it's just more that I'm lazy and bad behavior in game doesn't generally bother me very much.

I actually like seeing DaFrog in game. He seems like a decent person and we always have a little banter back and forth (I'm a psychopathic seal-clubbing tryhard - just ask him). I generally get a decent chuckle out of our encounters.

[Xannatharr]

DaFrog, I have seen you in plenty of FP matches and after the first few times I knew I could generally rely on a couple different things from you:

• You would not play in a way that would support the strategy/tactics being called, instead you would generally try to find a spot to safe perch and engage the enemy exclusively with long-range weapons
  
• But you could be relied upon to put up generally good damage numbers, get kills and be a thorn in the enemy team's side

If those two points were the only patterns of behavior I observed from you, then in my judgment you would definitely be a net positive for the team.

Unfortunately, there are a couple other behaviors that I generally observed from you:

• When faced with what appeared to be an enemy who had a perceived advantage (ie 12-man vs our 5 to 8 man group plus you and other solo queue players) at times you ejected your mechs without engaging the enemy or shifted into an engagement style that reduced your damage output and effectiveness
  
• When asked to support whatever tactic/strategy was being called you either ignored the requests or responded with negative comments

My judgement is that when the team needed you the most, you were at your least effective and that was frustrating for me and the other players we were dropping with.

I don't think you are a bad person and I do think that you are a good player.

But the fact that sometimes you would rather eject instead of fighting to kill as many of the enemy as possible is baffling to me. I would expect a skilled player to go down torso twisting like mad to spread damage hoping to live long enough to put one last alpha into an enemy mech... not holding down K in the drop zone.

Regards,

Xann

[Bohxim]

I feel that if he did it at the start of the fight or after first 1-2 waves then that's definitely not sportsman like.
But if he and maybe 1-2 other guys are left with a mech or two and they are already spawn camping him, might as well deny them the kill as much as possible.altho I didn't know you could eject from the drop ship lol.
There's been times I'm brawling it out at omega when I lose both my torsos and try to do an eject mid battle just for lols. Since I'm weapon less and with minimal hp left to tank anyways. Think of it as a little role play at an actual war. Kinda.

[Necromantion]

I logged in just to highlight the fact that DaFrog is still the biggest nerd-rager in FW.

I thought you "quit playing FW" months ago because it was "broken"

[Appogee]

Sjorpha, on 21 May 2016 - 07:33 AM, said:

This is just a wild guess, but maybe most people who earn themselves disciplinary action don't feel the irresistible urge to publicly shame themselves like mr. DaFrog here.

He's not ashamed of being selfish and unsporting though.

And therein lies the problem.

He has rationalised to himself that his desire to fight with better perceived odds outweighs the needs of the 23 other players unfortunate enough to have dropped with him.

We've all been in those matches. We've all fought against the odds. At least we tried, we didn't make our team's odds worse, and we didn't deny our opponents fair kills that actually cost us nothing.

And our most memorable victories were when we tried and won against those odds.

Edited by Appogee, 03 June 2016 - 08:30 AM.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

This post was started by DaFrog. Is anyone really surprised?

[Kin3ticX]

The Inner Sphere is dark and full of terrors

[-Vompo-]

Kin3ticX, on 03 June 2016 - 10:46 PM, said:

The Inner Sphere is dark and full of errors

Fixed that for you

[Neil Diamond]

DaFrog, on 21 May 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

My answer to a written warning, from PGI about ejecting in CW.

First of all, unless I am seriously mistaken, I made my purchase before the first year of Community Warfare. And the addition of the ejection option. So technically and legally, any documents relating to a Code of Conduct that was modified after my subscription could be interpreted as not-applicable since those addendums were made after my becoming a paying member. Now if we had to yearly pay a fee to play MWO, that would be a whole different matter.

I will not be an ******* about this. I know fully well that it is not the first time I do such things, and others as well. But it is Community WARfare. Not Community PLAYfair. PGI has established that quite clearly when farming the landing zone took place. So since it is WAR, then denying the enemy valuable resources is more than acceptable. Which is what I am doing by ejecting before getting farmed.
And on top of that, since PGI has started Phase 3 and that units can improve planetary defences, I really do not see why I should make it easy for anyone to acquire c-bills to install blast cannons on a planet I am trying to acquire: it is WAR after all. WE are called salty and whiners when we moan about being farmed, but when we deny those kills to the 'reds', looks who's crying and being salty.

And as for my 'teammates' who might have made an issue of this: if I am down to the point of doing that, it is probably because we are screwed. I have never ever seen a 12-0 deficit being corrected on counter-attack or planetary hold, and I never will. Now the opposing team should be disciplined for not bringing an end to a match as quickly as possible instead of looking and trying to disassemble a mech component by component to make more c-bills.
Farming is fair, denying c-bills is not. Now THAT is not fair.

I took full knowledge of your warning. Considering the amount of times that I have helped the devs and the support team at PGI with screenshots, bug reports and so on, I think I am entitled to my opinion and to questioning these way of doing things. I did not spend thousands of $ on this, but I would love to. I'm still waiting on somethings to happen.

DaFrog

Your post is hypocritical in nature and those who "liked" it also fail to notice it. You are playing a game with a set of rules and agree to abide by them.

Suiciding at the end of a match is one thing (at say 36-6), but doing it towards the beginning of the match? It is beyond lame. This is not WAR, this is a game. No one dies, except a cartoon robot with everyone having the identical pilot.

Some of us have spent a large sum (myself unintentionally, but I like the Community) and still play within the confines of the CoC. Sure there are times where someone is flippant and needs to be addressed, or what have you. PGI knows this, as well as the community. You are describing things from a habitual standpoint and that is the troublesome thing. Again, I am merely interpreting your syntax.

If you don't like being "screwed", then you might look into other games. Not being flippant, but merely pointing out that you are the common denominator and not your teammates.

Edited by War 4H, 04 June 2016 - 03:03 PM.

[DaFrog]

Well then, so I take it all you try hards are happy with the long tom decimating entire squad of mechs in the first 2 minutes of a match. I'll bet you are really getting your money's worth of entertainment when you face 6 mechs instead of 12 from teh get go.

You will probably all say it is my fault then, for having long tom doing 400 pnts of damage to my isolated king crab. You will probably says stuff like ' it's your problem, if the TOM targets the biggest mech, alone, and decides to turn it in to kindling '.

With such esteemed community members, tell me why is MWO not the rage of the Steam world then ?
Oh wait, that's probably my fault as well.

Well few people of this community have sent more bug reports and print screens to the devs than I have. I might not have spent thousands of dollars on this, but i did take the time and put in the effort to help this game.

The minute this game turns into what it should have been from the start, the I will pour money into it.

And again, to all those trying to publicly lynch me you've all done it. I have seen 228s, MSes, Lords and other elite players eject or OVERHEAT TO DEATH to avoid being killed. Look in the mirror, you're not prettier than snow white.

[Armando]

DaFrog, on 20 June 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

Well then, so I take it all you try hards are happy with the long tom decimating entire squad of mechs in the first 2 minutes of a match. I'll bet you are really getting your money's worth of entertainment when you face 6 mechs instead of 12 from teh get go.

You will probably all say it is my fault then, for having long tom doing 400 pnts of damage to my isolated king crab. You will probably says stuff like ' it's your problem, if the TOM targets the biggest mech, alone, and decides to turn it in to kindling '.

With such esteemed community members, tell me why is MWO not the rage of the Steam world then ?
Oh wait, that's probably my fault as well.

Well few people of this community have sent more bug reports and print screens to the devs than I have. I might not have spent thousands of dollars on this, but i did take the time and put in the effort to help this game.

The minute this game turns into what it should have been from the start, the I will pour money into it.

And again, to all those trying to publicly lynch me you've all done it. I have seen 228s, MSes, Lords and other elite players eject or OVERHEAT TO DEATH to avoid being killed. Look in the mirror, you're not prettier than snow white.

RRIBBIT, RRIBBIT, RRIBBIT

Would you like to buy a mech pack?

[Carl Vickers]

Well I have to say, he does appear to have some fight in him, perhaps he should stick to forum warrior where he really fights and give up the actual mech fights where his eject button is setup on mouse 1 button.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 20 June 2016 - 06:29 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

DaFrog, on 20 June 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

Well then, so I take it all you try hards are happy with the long tom decimating entire squad of mechs in the first 2 minutes of a match. I'll bet you are really getting your money's worth of entertainment when you face 6 mechs instead of 12 from teh get go.

You will probably all say it is my fault then, for having long tom doing 400 pnts of damage to my isolated king crab. You will probably says stuff like ' it's your problem, if the TOM targets the biggest mech, alone, and decides to turn it in to kindling '.

Quoted for disinformation, LT targets the biggest group of enemy mechs not the biggest mech.

LT has also been hit with the nerf bat so it doesn't do as much damage. If you cant figure out a way around it or how to turn it back at your enemies then the fault is yours.

[Kin3ticX]

hi, my name is DaFrog and my eject button is spacebar

[vocifer]

LOL, I think I remember that guy shouting "LET THEM HAVE IT" on Domination. That time we won by caps while the remains of enemy team went hiding... Don't ask for proofs though, not screening every derp in hundreds of QP matches.

[Sjorpha]

DaFrog, on 20 June 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

Well then, so I take it all you try hards are happy with the long tom decimating entire squad of mechs in the first 2 minutes of a match. I'll bet you are really getting your money's worth of entertainment when you face 6 mechs instead of 12 from teh get go.

You will probably all say it is my fault then, for having long tom doing 400 pnts of damage to my isolated king crab. You will probably says stuff like ' it's your problem, if the TOM targets the biggest mech, alone, and decides to turn it in to kindling.

I don't think hardly anyone likes the long Tom, but what does it have to do with you ejecting and abandoning your team?

Nothing.

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With such esteemed community members, tell me why is MWO not the rage of the Steam world then ?
Oh wait, that's probably my fault as well.

Low player counts are a problem, but what does it have to do with you ejecting and abandoning your team?

Nothing.

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Well few people of this community have sent more bug reports and print screens to the devs than I have. I might not have spent thousands of dollars on this, but i did take the time and put in the effort to help this game.

The minute this game turns into what it should have been from the start, the I will pour money into it.

Being helpful and supporting of a game is great, but what does it have to do with you ejecting and abandoning your team?

Nothing.

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And again, to all those trying to publicly lynch me you've all done it. I have seen 228s, MSes, Lords and other elite players eject or OVERHEAT TO DEATH to avoid being killed. Look in the mirror, you're not prettier than snow white.

Other people behaving badly is a bad thing and they should suffer consequences, but to what extent does their bad behavior justify yours?

None.

[Khereg]

DaFrog, on 20 June 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

And again, to all those trying to publicly lynch me you've all done it. I have seen 228s, MSes, Lords and other elite players eject or OVERHEAT TO DEATH to avoid being killed. Look in the mirror, you're not prettier than snow white.

Let me slow you down there a second Senor Jumpypants. Except for certain very obvious circumstances, you can't know the reasons for ejecting or overheating unless someone explicitly tells you why they did it. Speaking only for myself and my observations within -MS- I have never, and I mean never seen anyone on our team eject or overheat for the purpose of avoiding being killed by an opponent.

What I HAVE seen is players eject in FP because their mechs were spent to get a fresh mech before another wave arrived, either because they were out of ammo or because they were so beat up as to be ineffective. As you know if you have a mix of fresh and beat up mechs facing a fresh 12, you are at a disadvantage and ejecting to a fresh mech is a valid tactic to alleviate that disadvantage. Whether you do that by holding down "K" or overheating is a matter of semantics.

Otherwise I've only seen people overheat in the thick of battle by pressing override when they were trying to get that last alpha out before getting killed. Also a valid tactic and commonly employed in all MWO queues.

I'll even go so far as to say I've done both of these myself on multiple occasions, but have never violated the CoC as you admitted you did in your OP.

I've tried to stay civil in this entire discussion, but your latest accusations are going over the top. Unless you can back up what you're saying with screenshots, video, or the equivalent. I'm calling BS on your assessment of -MS-'s playstyle. I can't speak for 228 or the Lords, but I suspect they feel similarly.

That said, all of this remains irrelevant. What anyone else has done in no way justifies your admitted behavior. You are in the wrong. PGI has said so with their warning to you, and the majority of people in this thread seem to agree. It's time to man up and move on.

Edited by Khereg, 21 June 2016 - 12:27 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

Khereg, on 21 June 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Let me slow you down there a second Senor Jumpypants. Except for certain very obvious circumstances, you can't know the reasons for ejecting or overheating unless someone explicitly tells you why they did it. Speaking only for myself and my observations within -MS- I have never, and I mean never seen anyone on our team eject or overheat for the purpose of avoiding being killed by an opponent.

What I HAVE seen is players eject in FP because their mechs were spent to get a fresh mech before another wave arrived, either because they were out of ammo or because they were so beat up as to be ineffective. As you know if you have a mix of fresh and beat up mechs facing a fresh 12, you are at a disadvantage and ejecting to a fresh mech is a valid tactic to alleviate that disadvantage. Whether you do that by holding down "K" or overheating is a matter of semantics.

Otherwise I've only seen people overheat in the thick of battle by pressing override when they were trying to get that last alpha out before getting killed. Also a valid tactic and commonly employed in all MWO queues.

I'll even go so far as to say I've done both of these myself on multiple occasions, but have never violated the CoC as you admitted you did in your OP.

I've tried to stay civil in this entire discussion, but your latest accusations are going over the top. Unless you can back up what you're saying with screenshots, video, or the equivalent. I'm calling BS on your assessment of -MS-'s playstyle. I can't speak for 228 or the Lords, but I suspect they feel similarly.

That said, all of this remains irrelevant. What anyone else has done in no way justifies your admitted behavior. You are in the wrong. PGI has said so with their warning to you, and the majority of people in this thread seem to agree. It's time to man up and move on.

DaFrog justifies everything because -MS- smashes the O-key therefore he smashes his K-key (O-key on his 4th mech though)