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[JC Daxion]

So which would you pick based on mechs? (please if not on topic use another thread more suited thanks.

For me I just noticed that some packs have colors and camo! As i was looking i figured out Wave III and origins are the two i will choose from. Origins i also noticed has a bonus 12 colors! (though some are very similar to the normal clan faction ones, bust still, more colors= better in my book)

The mechs for me wave III is nice so worth getting IMO. On the other hand i am not sure if i want to go with the non omni mechs just because i kinda like that clan aspect, but they are also IS based. I kinda wan't to keep my chassis sperate, but on the flip side, the only one i actually own IS side is the HBK, so 3 of them are totally new, one is just clan weapons. Not sure how much different they pilot, i'd have to think very similar, with the obvious unique weapon load outs.


So folks with experience with one or both packs, what do you think?

[Bishop Steiner]

JC Daxion, on 13 June 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

So which would you pick based on mechs? (please if not on topic use another thread more suited thanks.

For me I just noticed that some packs have colors and camo! As i was looking i figured out Wave III and origins are the two i will choose from. Origins i also noticed has a bonus 12 colors! (though some are very similar to the normal clan faction ones, bust still, more colors= better in my book)

The mechs for me wave III is nice so worth getting IMO. On the other hand i am not sure if i want to go with the non omni mechs just because i kinda like that clan aspect, but they are also IS based. I kinda wan't to keep my chassis sperate, but on the flip side, the only one i actually own IS side is the HBK, so 3 of them are totally new, one is just clan weapons. Not sure how much different they pilot, i'd have to think very similar, with the obvious unique weapon load outs.


So folks with experience with one or both packs, what do you think?

How much you looking to spend?

Well, Origins is good for the first two tiers. Jenny IIC is solid and HBK-IIC spectacular.

The Onion and Lowlander IICs are spectacularly bad.

WaveIII is pretty good up thru the Ebon Jag. Some folks like the EXE but it's...an acquired taste at best.

Right now, the Jenner and Hunchback IIC are better overall robots than the Arctic Cheetah (which is still solid) and Shadowcat (pretty good too with MASC fix), but the EBJ is miles better than the Orion IIC and the Executioner, while mediocre is better than the Highlander IIC, hands down.

So there you have it.

I wouldn't buy top tier in either pack, but the Origins I'd heartily recommend up to Tier 2, and Wave II up to Tier 3. Really depends which robots you want most.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 13 June 2016 - 01:50 PM.

[Nyte Kitsune]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 June 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

I wouldn't buy top tier in either pack, but the Origins I'd heartily recommend up to Tier 2, and Wave II up to Tier 3. Really depends which robots you want most.

What Bishop said here. I mostly play IS, but I did buy T2 on Origins (For the Jenner and HBK IIc's), and again, it depends, you looking for more mechs in all classes, or just after the paint and patterns? I admit I also wanted the paint and patterns as a few of the "Event" giveaway mechs were the HBK and Jenner to have them in the right colors and patterns.

Though I only quoted a portion of what Bishop said he makes other good points. Based on mechs alone, both packs are kinda.... Meh. They both have good and bad chassis in them, but like any other mech, buy whatever would likely work for you best. I have seen people pilot mechs (Myself included) that others will say are horrible, then do really well in them. One persons "Bad" mech is another persons "Good" mech.

You don't need us to tell you what to buy. Though, if there are "Trial" versions of the mech in the packs you're considering, I suggest trying them out before buying those packs.

Edited by Nyte Kitsune, 13 June 2016 - 02:49 PM.

[Escef]

Wave III:

Arctic Cheetah - very good mech
Shadow Cat - Not bad, has its uses, can be fun
Ebon Jaguar - very good, basically a 10 ton lighter Timber Wolf with no option for jets
Executioner - kinda' unimpressive unless you are doing short range laser vomit

Origins:

Jenner IIC - very good to mediocre, depending on the variant
Hunchback IIC - reasonably solid if you kit it out right
Orion IIC - most variants unimpressive and too similar to each other; dual UAC10 version is beastly, though
Highlander IIC - better than most give it credit for, but not compatible with popular build/play styles; dual UAC10 version best of them

Overall, Wave III is better mechs, but Origins is more bang for your buck.

[Jables McBarty]

I own Tier 2 Origins + the Highlanders A La Carte (long story), plus I own the ACH and the EBJ for Cbills. I'm going to assume you are looking at spending similar amounts of $$...

For simple performance, I'd suggest throwing down the $90 for Tier 3 Wave III over Tier 4 of Origins. I'm not a medium pilot, but I prefer the SHC to the HBK, and the ACH is just more versatile than the JR7 (though I play more of the latter). Then it comes down to EBJ vs HGN+ON1. I love the HGN-IIC and frequently post about this love, but it's more the nut I can't quite crack than the gift that keeps giving. Never played the ON1 but it...has a reputation. EBJ has no quirks for a reason.

For peripheral rewards:
$80 Origins gets you 60 days PT; 24 colors and 16 camo specs (4 chassis x 4 patterns ea). You also get 4 titles and badges, 4 warhorns, 4 globes, and 4 hangey things, if those interest you (I like warhorns, rest are less important to me).
$90 Wave III gets you 30 days PT; 9 colors and 9 camo specs (3 chassis x 3 patterns ea). You also get 3 titles and badges, 3 warhorns, 3 mugs, and 3 hangey things.

For overall value, I'd say the Origins. You get 6 high performing 'mechs (JR7 and HBK), **** load of peripherals and PT, plus you get the HGN (which I like), and the ON1, which you can sell for parts and MechBays.

Escef, on 13 June 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

Wave III:

Arctic Cheetah - very good mech
Shadow Cat - Not bad, has its uses, can be fun
Ebon Jaguar - very good, basically a 10 ton lighter Timber Wolf with no option for jets
Executioner - kinda' unimpressive unless you are doing short range laser vomit

Origins:

Jenner IIC - very good to mediocre, depending on the variant
Hunchback IIC - reasonably solid if you kit it out right
Orion IIC - most variants unimpressive and too similar to each other; dual UAC10 version is beastly, though
Highlander IIC - better than most give it credit for, but not compatible with popular build/play styles; dual UAC10 version best of them

Overall, Wave III is better mechs, but Origins is more bang for your buck.

Dammit. What he said...

EDIT: OP, Lol, just noticed that I just sent a similar response to your tangential question in a New Player Help thread. Sorry for redundancy.

Edited by Jables McBarty, 13 June 2016 - 02:42 PM.

[Appogee]

On the Origins:

Orion IIC is better than Bishop gives it credit for. The dual-UAC10 variant is one of my best-performing Mechs.

Jenner-IIC is almost as good as an Oxide (which makes it even stranger given there are so many calls for nerfing the Oxide, but few call for nerfing the II-C(O).

Hunchback II-C is great.

Highlander II-C is the worst Mech I ever bought and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

On the Wave IIIs:

ACH is great.

SCAT is a bit meh due to too few hardpoints ... though it provides a unique piloting experience with ECM jump-sniping opportunities.

Ebon Jag is simply excellent. High mounts and a good variety of loadouts in a low profile chassis.

Executioner is tolerable now that MASC got buffed. It's actually another one of my best-performing Mechs, even though I generally don't enjoy piloting them or Assaults in general.

Edited by Appogee, 14 June 2016 - 06:30 AM.

[Mystere]

Hold your horses!!!

I instead suggest getting the Jenner IIC and Hunchback IIC while waiting for the Viper, Night Gry, and Huntsman.


In a related note, has PGI stopped selling Goldies? If so, I'm disappointed.

Edited by Mystere, 13 June 2016 - 02:45 PM.

[JC Daxion]

well I'm getting the 80 dollar package either way.. Even though highlander is not popular, i just like um and have going way back, and my thinking is the ability to pack in extra weapons could make up for their short comings.. The Orion is the one i am kinda Meh on, as with the jenner. I know it is good, SRM beast, but it doesn't dazzle me, and i'd probably just do that IS side anyway.

I love the EXE, own two, and honestly the grind has me saying take the short cut. The CB reminds me of a couger, which i always loved, and the Shadow cat does have some neat MASC builds i have seen. Also an old fav from mech 3 so there is that..

Guess i should also play around with smurfy.. But feel free to post some of your fav builds for these mechs.. that could really help.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Mystere, on 13 June 2016 - 02:44 PM, said:

Hold your horses!!!

I instead suggest getting the Jenner IIC and Hunchback IIC while waiting for the Viper, Night Gry, and Huntsman.


In a related note, has PGI stopped selling Goldies? If so, I'm disappointed.

They finally stopped due to continued bad buzz about them. Personally if i'd had the money I'd have considered buying one...

By have the cash I mean rich to the point that I wouldn't notice $500 going missing.

[Escef]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 13 June 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

They finally stopped due to continued bad buzz about them. Personally if i'd had the money I'd have considered buying one...

By have the cash I mean rich to the point that I wouldn't notice $500 going missing.

I made the joke a while back that if I had won Powerball I'd see if PGI would take $1000 to give me a platinum Mad Dog.

[Jables McBarty]

Here's what I have laying around in Smurfy's. They aren't gameplay optimized, but I'll update when I get home based on actual builds:

HGN-IIC "Home" (3xERPPC, UAC/5 Streak4; my go-to build)
**Variation of Home build without AMS, Streak12
**HGN-IIC Alt (3mpl, UAC/10, 2xALRM10)
HGN-IIC-A "Overwatch" (2xERPPC, 2xLPL, Streak4)
HGN-IIC-B Fire Support
*HGN-IIC-B "Streaker" (mix up the Streaks with SRM+Artemis to taste)
HGN-IIC-C "Spooky"

*HBK-IIC 3xUAC/5
*HBK-IIC-A "PP Sizzle" (2xERPPC + 4SL)
*HBK-IIC-A 6xcMPL (basically Champion Stormcrow with JJ and extra MPL)
HBK-IIC-B 4xASRM6 + 2cMPL
*HBK-IIC-B Experimental Fire Support (smaller version of a classic MDD build, but haven't made it shine yet)

JR7-IIC "Face Melter" (melts their face, and yours)
JR7-IIC-2 "Skyhopper" (10 JJ)
**JR7-IIC-2 "Jumper" (ERPPC)
JR7-IIC-3 4xcSPL + 2xSRM6

EDIT: Items marked * had their loadouts corrected; items marked ** were added to the list.

Edited by Jables McBarty, 13 June 2016 - 05:42 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Appogee, on 13 June 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

Orion IIC is better than Bishop gives it credit for. The dual-UAC10 variant is one of my best-performing Mechs.

If personal performance or preference realyl accounted for much when advising other people, I'd be selling Vindicators to everyone. No offense to your preference or performance but you are about the only person I have every seen sing the praises of the Onion IIC, so called for the tears they bring to their pilots eyes. The 2xUAC10 is nice, offensively, overall, until people shoot back, then that abjectly horrid geometry comes into play. And this is from a guy who actually LOVES his ON1-VA.....

But the one constant on ALL the Origins Mechs, is take whatever geometry flaws the parent design had then magnify it by being, flatter, bulkier and boxier, with no IS structure buffs to compensate. C-XL and internals compensates some stuff nicely (and the UAC10 is a real nice gun) but bad geometry/hitboxes and non PPFLD weaponry, aren't really a match made in heaven.

I do real well with Urbanmechs, PNT-10Ks, VND-1AA, Blues Clues and RFL-3N. But just because I do well in them doesn't make any of em good robots.

[Roadkill]

I'm basically with Bishop and Escef. My take:

Wave III
Arctic Cheetah - very good
Shadow Cat - probably best described as average, but at least it doesn't suck. Might be slightly above average.
Ebon Jaguar - very good
Executioner - below average to average, I'd say. It has a build or two that are fine, but that's about it.

Origins
Jenner IIC - very good
Hunchback IIC - at least good, might be very good
Orion IIC - mostly poor, but if you like LRMs it can do them pretty well. Also the C can do a nasty over/under dual CUAC/10 along with either LRMs or SRMs, which can surprise a lot of people who think you're going to be easy prey.
Highlander IIC - engine cap is too low. If you're good with slow but impressively armed mixed-weapon assaults you might enjoy it, but most people find it poor at best.

[CreszZ]

I like the Wave III mechs - they are actually my favorite chassis in every weight class except for the Executioner which is an acquired taste... not bad just unique.

The Hunchback IIC almost makes the package worthwhile but honestly when I look at the hours played per chassis I have hardly played the "Origins" Mechs at all after the initial time spent to achieve the Mastery bonuses - I think that says a lot.

On the other hand, I play some version of Wave III Mechs almost every day.

[Moldur]

Pretty much what other people say. Wave III up to EBJ, Origins up to Hunchback IIC.

HBK IIC and EBJ are my most favored mechs.

[Spheroid]

Wave three.

[LT. HARDCASE]

If you already have Timber Wolves, buy Origins up to the Hunch IIC. If you need a Timber Wolf-lite and a god-tier energy based light, buy Wave III up to Ebon Jags.

If you want a good assault out of the deal, buy the full Wave III.

Anecdotally, the Executioner is one of my most consistent performers.

[Cabusha]

Cheeta - good, storm crow - damn good, ebon Jaguar - good loadouts,p for hitboxes. Gladiator - decent.

Jenner IIC - damn good, hbk-iic - good, orion-iic - meh, HGN-IIC-A - my favorite assault in the game. It's not a brawler, but at medium ranges it is BRUTAL. Favorite build is HGN-IIC-A with 4*LPL, 29 dubs, 1JJ. Two weapon groups of MURDER. The one that rocks 2*UAC10 and 2*LPL is a riot too.

[Appogee]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 June 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

If personal performance or preference realyl accounted for much when advising other people, I'd be selling Vindicators to everyone. No offense to your preference or performance but you are about the only person I have every seen sing the praises of the Onion IIC, so called for the tears they bring to their pilots eyes. The 2xUAC10 is nice, offensively, overall, until people shoot back, then that abjectly horrid geometry comes into play. And this is from a guy who actually LOVES his ON1-VA.....

But the one constant on ALL the Origins Mechs, is take whatever geometry flaws the parent design had then magnify it by being, flatter, bulkier and boxier, with no IS structure buffs to compensate. C-XL and internals compensates some stuff nicely (and the UAC10 is a real nice gun) but bad geometry/hitboxes and non PPFLD weaponry, aren't really a match made in heaven.

I do real well with Urbanmechs, PNT-10Ks, VND-1AA, Blues Clues and RFL-3N. But just because I do well in them doesn't make any of em good robots.

Your lecture is quite ironic.

I have 210 Mechs, the great majority of them Mastered, and I reviewed the stats (ie hard data) on my Orion II-Cs. I found that factually, a couple of them are above-average performers, and one of them is among my best average damage-dealers.

So my recommendation had nothing to do with opinion or preference.

On the other hand, you write II-C off on the basis that "I've never seen other people sing the praises of it". Your opinion of why you think it's "not a good robot" relates to your observations on its hitboxes geometry and loadouts. I don't disagree with your observations on its disadvantages, but the facts of my Orion II-Cs' performance suggest that something else - my opinion would be building for high mobility and high DPS - more than offset the disadvantages you outlined to deliver factually better performance than many other Mechs.

So really you could have spared me the lecture about personal preferences, before restating your own personal preferences.

Edited by Appogee, 13 June 2016 - 11:40 PM.

[Weeny Machine]

Appogee, on 13 June 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

Jenner-IIC is as good as an Oxide (which makes it even stranger given every calls for nerfing the Oxide, but few call for nerfing the IIC-0C.

Dunno...I can cripple a Jenner IIC with a good salvo. The Oxide seems to tank like a pro, though, and is much more forgiving and on top of that: turns even faster.