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[zagibu]

I'm gonna redo the old profile analysis to see what's changed after the rescale.

Meanwhile, here are some orthographic comparison shots:

Old cat left vs new cat right:

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Old spider left vs new spider right:

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Old cat left vs old spider right:

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New cat left vs new spider right:

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Old bj left vs new bj right:

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New bj vs new cplt:

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New bj vs new stk:

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New bj vs new whk:

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Old zeus left vs new zeus right:

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Old mad left vs new mad right:

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Old whm left vs new whm right:

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Old grf left vs new grf right:

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Edited by zagibu, 23 June 2016 - 02:56 PM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

No it isnt, because the old spider came up to maybe the waist of the old Catapult. That Spider might come up the cockpit of the new Catapult....

[zagibu]

LordKnightFandragon, on 21 June 2016 - 01:04 PM, said:

No it isnt, because the old spider came up to maybe the waist of the old Catapult. That Spider might come up the cockpit of the new Catapult....

You are right, it really isn't as tall, I got confused by the forum scaling one of the images down. I added a new image to OP that shows the difference between the new cat and the new spider.

Edited by zagibu, 21 June 2016 - 01:15 PM.

[Poundcake]

I support anything that give Spider Pilots more pain. They've had it too good for too long. They play the chassis just to exploit its exploits. I don't feel bad. Its about time.

[zagibu]

Poundcake, on 21 June 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

I support anything that give Spider Pilots more pain. They've had it too good for too long. They play the chassis just to exploit its exploits. I don't feel bad. Its about time.

I can't really comprehend your hate for Spiders, their firepower is much too low for them to pose any real threat. I think this increase in size might wipe them completely off the battlefield.

[zagibu]

Added some new shots I made for other threads.

[LordKnightFandragon]

At the end of the day, NONE of the mechs needed to get bigger, but they ALL needed to get far smaller then they did get.

THe Warhammer now TOWERS over the Catapult.....

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 21 June 2016 - 04:10 PM.

[zagibu]

Are you arguing that mechs are too big compared to the environment, or what? The rescale was meant to adjust their sizes RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER, so obviously some will get bigger, unless you take the smallest one as template.

[Ultimax]

zagibu, on 21 June 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

Are you arguing that mechs are too big compared to the environment, or what? The rescale was meant to adjust their sizes RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER, so obviously some will get bigger, unless you take the smallest one as template.

Relative to each other is meaningless.

Did the projectiles get larger? How about Laser beams, do they spread more now?

What about missile spread patterns? Are they wider?


No?

Well guess what, many mechs got larger with more surface area relative to the weapons that hit them.


Did cover get larger? How about the world environment?

Mechs got larger relative to their environment.


This is a nerf, mech survivability and playability have been nerfed by these changes.

[Bluefalcon13]

Poundcake, on 21 June 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

I support anything that give Spider Pilots more pain. They've had it too good for too long. They play the chassis just to exploit its exploits. I don't feel bad. Its about time.

Show us on the photo where the bad-spider touched you...

[White Bear 84]

zagibu, on 21 June 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

I can't really comprehend your hate for Spiders, their firepower is much too low for them to pose any real threat. I think this increase in size might wipe them completely off the battlefield.

Tickle tickle

[Bluefalcon13]

White Bear 84, on 21 June 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

Tickle tickle

I think a spider checked his prostate while he was sleeping...

[AmazingOnionMan]

zagibu, on 21 June 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

Are you arguing that mechs are too big compared to the environment, or what? The rescale was meant to adjust their sizes RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER, so obviously some will get bigger, unless you take the smallest one as template.

"unless you take the smallest one as template"
Call me a hopeless optimist, but that was what I was hoping for.

[Volthorne]

AmazingOnionMan, on 21 June 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

"unless you take the smallest one as template"
Call me a hopeless optimist, but that was what I was hoping for.

The lolcust got smaller and the urbie barely changed, and the Commando DIDN'T change. The three literally smallest 'Mechs in the game.

Just exactly which 'Mech were you hoping they'd pick as the base-line? Because you got just about as good as you could have hoped for.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

zagibu, on 21 June 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

Are you arguing that mechs are too big compared to the environment, or what? The rescale was meant to adjust their sizes RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER, so obviously some will get bigger, unless you take the smallest one as template.

Banshee in Lore 15,5m ...Atlas in Lore 16 m, Executioner in lore 14,4m Light Mechs 6-8m ,Thunderbolt (Old Unseen) 8,5 m (with no Missle Tube) ,Warhammer with Misslelauncher 12,3m ,Shadowhak ~9,6m...nothing 18m Giants

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 21 June 2016 - 06:43 PM.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

Ultimax, on 21 June 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

Relative to each other is meaningless.

Did the projectiles get larger? How about Laser beams, do they spread more now?

What about missile spread patterns? Are they wider?


No?

Well guess what, many mechs got larger with more surface area relative to the weapons that hit them.


Did cover get larger? How about the world environment?

Mechs got larger relative to their environment.


This is a nerf, mech survivability and playability have been nerfed by these changes.

I find it hilarious that people don't get this, or outright ignore it.

Goddamn, I just shelved half my ******* garage because of this ****.

[LordKnightFandragon]

zagibu, on 21 June 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

Are you arguing that mechs are too big compared to the environment, or what? The rescale was meant to adjust their sizes RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER, so obviously some will get bigger, unless you take the smallest one as template.

Yes and even the smallest of the mediums and heavies was still like 2-3m to tall before this rescale.

Going by that chart PGI had on the rescale patch notes, the Catapult is now 14m tall, that is how tall an Atlas should be. Look at the size of the Atlas compared to the catapult right now, its nearly 2x its height. A Warhammer is like 1 1/2 Catapults tall now. The lights being around 8m tall is correct, but the rest of the classes are way to damn big now. The Catapult shoulda been the reference point. Atlas, 14m, Warhawk: 12m, Centurion, probably 10m, King Crab, probably 12m, Timberwolf and all those Clan heavies, 12m. Yeah.....

[Livebait]

All lights are to big.

[Mad Dog Morgan]

Edited by Vaskadar, 21 June 2016 - 07:16 PM.

[Moldur]

It was an impartial update. It wasn't a balance pass to ensure viability of chassis or to nerf others.