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#21 Nightmare1

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 06:49 PM

Whitehouse.gov isn't actually all that trustworthy. Obama got caught editing information on there, ironically, lol.

Bottomline is this: Neither political party supports the people any more. Of the two though, Republicans are still preferable because they at least pay lip service to the Constitution. Democrats would like to torch it.That's pretty obvious by their respective actions.

Personally speaking, I haven't liked any of the presidential prospects since Perry and Walker were ousted. I'll take the lesser of two evils though, to do my part to slow our descent into oblivion.

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 07:13 PM

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 01 August 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Except for marriage equality, the rampant anti-Islam, anti immigration, gun control is (in the Second Amendment) to be regulated which they are against, Patriot Act, ignore the 24th amendment regularly, violate the 4th amendment... should I go on?


Well, you've got the Democrat party manifesto down, as it applies to Republicans, lol.

This rant just decreases your credibility. Sorry Marack. You're sounding more like a high-school kid that's been listening to his parents talk, rather than someone who's done copious amounts of credible research.

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 07:30 AM

"Yes we are. We have been in it since the 1800's with the first conventions. Your sources must be terribly inaccurate. We are subject to GC-I-IV along with Protocol 3."


Signed is one thing, but what has the senate not done. Then again there are many 'treaties' that the US has never given the 2/3rds vote too. Many since WWII that it is shocking.

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 07:39 AM

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#25 Nightmare1

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 12:14 PM

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 01 August 2016 - 07:17 PM, said:

And you sound like an evangelical Christian that will vote for Republican nominee even when credible research is in his face.

Also it is hard to care about credibility with someone who hasn't shown anything they say is credible either.

You can say copious amounts of research has been done, but your arguments are the most stereotypical things ever.

Also no. All those things I gathered from being at the Republican debate in Detroit and again meeting a few of the nominees.

I am not a democrat nor a republican. I am a Moderate and frankly find Trump to be the worst human being in American politics right now. I also love how you haven't even commented on the fact that Trump wants to murder families. Guess that is okay to you.


Just to clarify:

1) OP is about whether a documentary about Clinton is accurate or not. I commented on that.

2) Everything else has been a rabbit trail in which I have indulged, but ultimately am no obligated to take seriously. Any posts from me that are not on-topic, are done so because this discussion amuses me somewhat.

Now, since you're getting emotional over this, let me restate the things I've said until now, clearly, so as to prevent confusion:

1) I pointed out that Clinton cannot be trusted, is corrupt to the core of her being, and could very well be considered "grossly negligent" (FBI's words, not mine) at best, and an enemy to the country at worst. She has blood on her hands, skeletons in the closet, and the best interests of our enemies at heart instead of our own.

2) I stated that I am not a Trump supporter. I don't like him. I wish he wasn't in the race. However, between Trump and Hillary, I know which is the more viable threat to our nation's wellbeing. Trump can be controlled by either a Democratic or Republican Congress, but Hillary will ignore both to do her own thing, just as Obama did in his own catastrophic manner. In addition, Hillary would do a much poorer job of staffing the Supreme Court, arguably one of the biggest issues facing us this election.

3) I pointed out that it's okay to defend ourselves as a nation when attacked, as well as to stage a preemptive strike against our enemies before they can attack us first. I never advocated genocide of any type, nor have I condoned any of Trump's firebrand rhetoric. You should keep in mind that his rhetoric is just that: rhetoric. He cannot do anything without the support of Congress, and we both know that Congress will not authorize military action against the Middle East. All of Trump's bluster, then, is pointless and is just an attempt to get people whipped up to vote for him.

Those were my three main talking points. Pretty much everything else you accuse me of, you read into them or fabricated.

To be frank, those three points shouldn't have to be defended using credible sources. Clinton and Trump's records are both very clear. Both are dismal. Of the two though, Clinton is obviously the more negative choice given her very long-running record of corruption, malfeasance, and cold-blooded killing/lying (Benghazi, anyone?). Her mishandling of classified information alone should be enough to cause everyone to shy away from her. Much of this is public record, with a lot of it being official government record now, courtesy of FBI investigations. Why should I do your homework for you? On top of that, the rationality of what I am saying, with regard to common sense, should speak for itself. If you have two bad choices, choose the less bad one. Don't refuse to choose and let someone else choose for you. Don't select the worse one, simply because you dislike the less evil one. If someone means you harm and you know they intend to hit you, hit them first. If someone attacks you, defend yourself. That's all.

Overall, it comes down to this: You have reality and you have fantasy. Clinton supporters and Trump supporters both tend to indulge in fantasy. Realists, such as myself, recognize the harsh reality of what both administrations would offer, and choose to support the less evil one. In the end, we recognize that the Presidential race this election has already been lost, regardless of who wins, and we are simply looking to limit the scope of the damage by choosing the less virulent candidate. Trump may be a loud-mouthed blockhead and an idiot, but he won't be able to buck Congress. On the other hand, Clinton, with all her connections and corruption, could probably get away with it.

I would rather have a junkyard dog that can be trained and controlled sitting in my White House, rather than a monster that would tear down our national Foundations and create more disorder both here and abroad. Our neighbors will complain about the dog, and we may get into political trouble for having it, but at least there will be no real harm done. With the monster though, no one is safe.

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 11:01 PM

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 28 July 2016 - 07:12 PM, said:

Documentary about political stuff: 70% false 15% Made up 15% True

None of them are really ever very accurate and this.... is conspiracy theory at best imo.


I watch a lot of documentaries when I workout.

Most exercise is boring and repetitive doing the same thing over and over.

So I've tried to find things to occupy my mind to ease the boredom and repetitiveness factor. Somewhere along the line watching documentaries while working out became a normal thing(weird huh lol). Some days my workout will be something like, kickboxing. I'll try to do 500 kicks with my left leg. Then 500 with my right leg. Things like that.

I have to say some of the documentaries I've seen were good, others bad. I don't watch a lot of political stuff. But some of the stuff I've seen has been interesting, even if I don't always have time to fact check it all.

View PostNightmare1, on 01 August 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

Whitehouse.gov isn't actually all that trustworthy. Obama got caught editing information on there, ironically, lol.

Bottomline is this: Neither political party supports the people any more. Of the two though, Republicans are still preferable because they at least pay lip service to the Constitution. Democrats would like to torch it.That's pretty obvious by their respective actions.

Personally speaking, I haven't liked any of the presidential prospects since Perry and Walker were ousted. I'll take the lesser of two evils though, to do my part to slow our descent into oblivion.


What you said about .gov pages not being trustworthy is very true! I remember whitehouse.gov pulling pages from their own website depicting how George W Bush's tax policies were completely opposite from Ronald Reagan's. Those webpages also cited evidence showing Reagan's tax policies were effective.

Whitehouse.gov basically deleted hard evidence against two of the main revisionist talking points mainstream media and "experts" were pushing around 2011-2013. I still have it on disc somewhere in case the archive.org mirror goes down.

One thing not many know about Bill Clinton is he repealed glass steagall about 9 years before the economic meltdown of 2008. Glass steagall incidentally was created after the great depression to prevent those types of economic meltdowns. Neither the media nor any candidate other than maybe Trump would ever bring that up.

Media is wholly untrustworthy. They never cite real facts and never do anything resembling legitimate overviews of anything.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 02 August 2016 - 11:13 PM.


#27 Gremlich Johns

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 08:10 AM

Don't abrogate your responsibility to vote (if you don't vote, you can't complain) and vote your conscience, not your party. I did write-ins for Frank Zappa while he was alive because the available candidates were rubbish and I liked Frank's politics. I didn't throw away my vote, I made a vote of disappointment and that's the only way the candidates should view it as.

Clinton is edging into the Socialist camp, the same political system the pre and WWII Germans and even Tito, among others, led. Trump a neo-Fascist/Facist? Not hardly but it's a convenient title for the Left to use because he doesn't lean the same way as they do and threatens their movement to take over and subvert the Constitution. Trump is a businessman, first and foremost. Our founding fathers warned us against profession politicians, that's not Trump, however flawed he is.
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#28 MarineTech

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 02:18 PM

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 23 October 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

Our Founding father's also warned us against the British.


Yeahhhhhh. I don't completely trust 'em. That's why I'm with Moe from the Simpsons. I keep a gun for family protection, hunting dangerous or delicious animals, and to keep the King of England outta my face.

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 03:44 PM

View PostGremlich Johns, on 23 October 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

Don't abrogate your responsibility to vote (if you don't vote, you can't complain) and vote your conscience, not your party. I did write-ins for Frank Zappa while he was alive because the available candidates were rubbish and I liked Frank's politics. I didn't throw away my vote, I made a vote of disappointment and that's the only way the candidates should view it as.

Clinton is edging into the Socialist camp, the same political system the pre and WWII Germans and even Tito, among others, led. Trump a neo-Fascist/Facist? Not hardly but it's a convenient title for the Left to use because he doesn't lean the same way as they do and threatens their movement to take over and subvert the Constitution. Trump is a businessman, first and foremost. Our founding fathers warned us against profession politicians, that's not Trump, however flawed he is.
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Voting third party is kind of liking throwing away your vote though since the third party candidate has zero chance of winning.

That being said, I agree about Trump. He's awful, but he's still better than Hillary.

Honestly, aside from some public speaking fopaws, I'm starting to think that a Trump presidency won't be all that bad. Think about it; the President is either all-powerful or he's impotent. It depends on whether or not he can get some portion of Congress to back him up. Obama was able to circumvent Congress over and over again because the Democrats were willing to look the other way. Presidents whose party holds a Congressional majority often manage to do that (both parties included). However, Trump is not a member of the establishment. None of the politicians like him or want to work with him. Personally, I think that means a three-cornered war between Trump, Democrats, and Republicans that will result in about four years of gridlock, which is fine by me. Congress tends to be too law-happy for my taste and could stand four years of few laws being passed.

The latest thing that's got me sour is this amendment to the Montreal Protocol. Gridlock is sounding very good right about now.

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 23 October 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

**** you man. If I can't vote because I have a moral dilemma I still have every ******* right to complain you ******. Why don't you get your fist out of your ***.


You do realize that you just shot yourself in both feet, right? Posts like that do nothing to endear you to others or to reconcile them to your views.

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 23 October 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

Our Founding father's also warned us against the British. Should we cease all trade with them?


There's no need to do that since our Founding Fathers shot them to death and drove them out of our country, then repeated the process when they tried to invade us a few decades later. Now we can be buddies like two schoolkids that have had a scrap on the playground and learned to respect each other. Posted Image

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 23 October 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

What was said 250+ years ago shouldn't effect what we do now. If we don't learn from the past we are doomed to repeat it. And we all know what happens when we elect people who aren't politicians... Arnold Schwarzenegger anyone?


...You just contradicted yourself, you know that, right? Claiming that we should ignore the past and then saying we should learn from it are mutually exclusive arguments.

Career politicians are people of whom we should be wary. Trusting them is the very definition of naivety.

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 23 October 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

Not only that but it is also the Businessmen who got us into the problems we are in anyways. Thanks to the Bush administration being a complete puppet to businessmen.


If you actually had "learned from the past," then you would realize that our problems started long before the Bush Administration, and that they actually were political in nature at the outset. Crony businessmen got involved, certainly, and exacerbated the problems over time. However bad Bush was as a President, he was simply another cog in the machine. Laying it all at his feet is unduly harsh as well as willfully ignorant of the overarching issues.

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 04:01 PM

View PostMarack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 23 October 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

Your about 80 years behind. There is no King of England lol.


See. It's working.

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 04:13 PM

View PostMarineTech, on 23 October 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:


See. It's working.


Lol





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