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[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Pretty sad if it is.

[Hal Greaves]

Would it honestly be surprising if it was true?

[MarineTech]

[Nightmare1]

If it's the one by Dinesh D'souza, then it probably is.

...But then again, this is Clinton we're talking about here, so would any of the things it uncovers be all that surprising? We already know that she's more crooked than a dog's hind leg. The fact she even has supporters surprises me. I wish stupid people didn't get to vote, lol.

[Nightmare1]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 29 July 2016 - 04:58 PM, said:

I'd rather vote for her the man attempting to be the world's next H!tler... *cough* Trump *cough*

I do agree stupid people shouldn't be allowed to vote. I am probably one of the few people all for eugenics programs to sterilize stupid people completely, so we can eliminate them from the gene pool (meaning only smart people can raise children, which means they will be raised intelligently).

The problem with that is that it would eliminate half the Southern states from breeding completely lol jk.

Wow Marack. You've said some bizarre things in the past, but this one takes the cake.

First of all, Hillary is the worst choice for President. I don't like Trump one bit, but I'll take a loud-mouthed idiot over a corrupt, career politician with skeletons in the closet who's only looking to extend Obama's term by another four years with more of the same failed policies.

Secondly, your opinion of the South is pretty dismal when you consider the fact that the South is the lifeblood of America. Most of the food produced in the U.S. comes from the South, and a disproportionately high number of Southerners serve in the military too. You ought to rethink your opinion.

[MarineTech]

You know... I've voted in every election since I turned 18 back in 1988. I have YET to vote for a candidate that I actually WANTED in office. It's always been the lesser of 2 evils.

This election, I look at both candidates and just want to say:

It's really strange. All the Democrats and Republicans that I actually think would do a GOOD job as a President, usually seem to get knocked out of the running in the very early rounds. Guess my picks just aren't crooked enough for the job.

Edited by MarineTech, 30 July 2016 - 07:55 AM.

[MarineTech]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 30 July 2016 - 08:02 AM, said:

I am not voting at all this year. It would have been my first time but after spending probably 3 days straight of nothing but reading about our candidates I would rather eat my own penis than vote for these people.

Then in my eyes, if you don't vote, you have no cause to complain about who winds up in office and anything they do over the next 4 years. You will find in life that there are times when there are NO good choices to a situation. You just buck up and ride out the one you choose. Remember, a bad decision NOW, is often better than no decision, or a good decision too late to make a difference.

Edited by MarineTech, 30 July 2016 - 08:29 AM.

[Nightmare1]

MarineTech, on 30 July 2016 - 07:53 AM, said:

You know... I've voted in every election since I turned 18 back in 1988. I have YET to vote for a candidate that I actually WANTED in office. It's always been the lesser of 2 evils.

This election, I look at both candidates and just want to say:

It's really strange. All the Democrats and Republicans that I actually think would do a GOOD job as a President, usually seem to get knocked out of the running in the very early rounds. Guess my picks just aren't crooked enough for the job.

Agreed, and I know the feeling. All my picks lost early.

MarineTech, on 30 July 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

Then in my eyes, if you don't vote, you have no cause to complain about who winds up in office and anything they do over the next 4 years. You will find in life that there are times when there are NO good choices to a situation. You just buck up and ride out the one you choose. Remember, a bad decision NOW, is often better than no decision, or a good decision too late to make a difference.

Bingo. Not deciding is in itself a decision.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 30 July 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

I do have a right to complain because what they do in office will affect me regardless. Just because I don't go and choose what evil I want bestowed on the nation, doesn't mean that I have any right to complain. If it affects me I have a right to complain about it regardless of my position.

My position is that I didn't vote for either evils because I couldn't find any good in doing so. That and my single vote won't make any difference in the long run either (as the elections are decided entirely by the electoral vote. Popular vote means jack ****).

Choosing not to vote is a vote for Hillary in this race. In essence, you are choosing her by staying at home.

Judging from your comments about voting though, perhaps it's better that you don't vote, lol.

[Nightmare1]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 30 July 2016 - 12:10 PM, said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and Hillary wins be default anyways (she has the most points and will win from electoral votes alone).

And no if I don't vote my vote stays at home with me. That is illogical.

Actually, it's because Hillary has an edge that staying at home is, in essence, a vote for her.

Btw, I'm not arguing here to get you to go out and vote, just to point out how not voting actually works. Most folks view it as a form of protest or a form of moral abstinence if they dislike the candidates. However, by not voting for the weaker candidate, you are, in essence, bolstering the strength of the more powerful candidate. Put another way, a candidate with a strong base does not need a lot of extra votes. The challenger, however, needs every vote that he/she can gather. In this case, Hillary is definitely the stronger candidate, not because of her qualifications, but because of her influence. To beat her, Trump needs every single vote he can muster.

That's why not voting is, in this case, akin to voting for Hillary. You are essentially stating that you are okay with her winning. That may not be an active vote, but you could certainly consider it a passive one. This is true, not just in this election, but any election where there is a significant disparity between candidates. Personally, I don't like either of the candidates but, of the two, I dislike Hillary more than I dislike Trump. As such, if I do not vote for Trump, then I will be dooming myself to be governed by someone whom I detest significantly more. My individual vote does not count for much, but I will not squander my precious right to have a voice in who will run our nation simply because the candidates I liked were knocked out of the race early.

As Sir Edmund Burke once stated, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing." That holds true for elections too.

Edited by Nightmare1, 30 July 2016 - 01:17 PM.

[VorpalAnvil]

That the Clintons are career criminals is a shock to precisely two groups; those dependent upon the largesse of the state ie; welfare ( the police in the US would more strictly refer to this, if not being agents of the state themselves as "Receiving stolen property"), and those who were literally born yesterday. A plethora of reasons exist to not vote for Hillary Clinton, including my opposition to Marxism,Socialism etc.However, according to the the mainstream media, no nothings on teh interwebs and college students who know nothing about reality or life itself I should vote for the Democrat presidential candidate because hurr durr everyone who disagrees with me is a waaayscist!

I have my issues with Trump, both as a person and as a candidate. I don't know if I will vote for him, for a third party Libertarian candidate or not at all. I can however tell you who I will not be voting for no matter what comes to pass...

Edited by VorpalAnvil, 31 July 2016 - 01:07 AM.

[Nightmare1]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 30 July 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

By not voting I am conceding defeat because there is no way to win. And in the end I will find a new way to win the war. By not voting I am also not voting for Trump... a man who wants to commit mass genocide.

Your funeral. What genocide do you refer to though?

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 03:44 AM, said:

Name one President who wasn't.

Actually, I could personally name a lot of Presidents who weren't. You should be able to do so too, unless you've never studied your history.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 30 July 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

Most college students probably know more about politics than the average Trump voter (who are made up of mostly baby boomers and people who vote mostly for only the candidate from the party they were raised to vote for). But your statement does nullify Nightmare1 who is a college student if I recall.

Actually, most college students are low info voters who want free stuff. That's why Sanders had possibly the best college presence out of all the candidates for a while. College students are also overwhelmingly liberal.

As for me, I'm actually a Chemical Engineer by education, and a Reliability Engineer by career. My hobbies include reading copious amounts of books, particularly those of historical nature.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 30 July 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

Also most college students probably know more about reality than you think. Live my life for a while and come back and tell me I know nothing about reality or life.

Having graduated college rather recently, I can tell you that the majority of college students are idiots. Most don't know where their food comes from. The ones that do, don't understand basic agriculture. They don't understand economics, and they don't know their history. They get their info from the nightly news and talking heads, and rarely think for themselves. There are exceptions to this, to be sure, but my experience has been the college students these days are sadly inept when it comes to the important things in life.

[Nightmare1]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

There isn't one single President who hasn't broken the law. For instance almost all of them have broken the Geneva Conventions and tortured prisoners. There are several books about it. And also how they have used the Secret Service and more.

Again, that's a gross generalization. Can you say that you have not broken a law? I think virtually everyone has, even if it's just the speed limit. There's a difference between someone being thoroughly corrupt and someone who is not. That's all I'm driving at.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

Not my school evidently as we host political debates every year. And the majority of the students attend them. Also just because your school was a bunch of idiots (your words not mine, which also doesn't speak highly of your education... just saying the definition of idiot is the opposite of educated), doesn't mean jack **** about other schools.

Just because you hold political debates, that does not mean your students are informed. There have been many studies conducted which show the ignorance of the Millennial Generation as a whole. If you would like a good treatise on the subject, try buying/borrowing a copy of Mark Baurelein's The Dumbest Generation (Or Don't Trust Anyone Under 30!). It's pretty good reading, acts as an excellent primer, and does a good job of breaking down the argument into categories. You could think of him as a somewhat more realistic and balancing counter to Steve Johnson.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

Hmmm exact same hobby as me. I read history books and text books for entertainment.

Great! Do you also read from the opposing viewpoint, or just those which confirm your own? Personally, I try to make sure I read both sides of an issue.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

Genocide: the destruction or elimination of a people group based on linguistic, religious, or ethnic culture or race.

I'm well aware of what genocide is, thanks.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

Trump wants to commit genocide on Islamic people solely based on the fact they are Islamic and it may hurt the terrorists. That is genocide.

Genocide and Conspiracy to commit Genocide are war crimes based on the Geneva Conventions and several other treaties. Trump should be in jail merely for suggesting murdering Islamic families.

I haven't heard him advocate genocide so much as advocate that we break off contact from them or attack Iran. Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing our enemies get bombed. They certainly have killed enough of us over the last two decades. It's time we shot back.

That being said, Trump isn't exactly my choice as the person I want to lead any retaliatory measures. Ironically, he's still better than Hillary since she'd just roll over for belly rubs like Obama's been doing.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

Anyways I am done here. It is true what they say. You can't debate a Trump supporter.

Another generalization. I'm not a Trump supporter; I can't stand the guy. He's not Hillary though, so he gets my vote.

For me, it almost doesn't matter who the Republican nominee is, because none of them can be worse than Clinton. Our system locks me into voting for "Not-Hillary" unless I want to waste my vote by throwing it away on someone who stands no chance of winning.

I really wish that Walker or Perry had gotten the nomination. Aside from some public speaking snafus, both have solid records. Unfortunately, it seems that the American people want sensationalism instead of ability.

[MarineTech]

[MarineTech]

I've got time.

[Akhri Mala]

MY vote will be a write in for Cthulhu.

[Nightmare1]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 03:46 PM, said:

Next for a man who advocates to be Christian your views on bombing people sure don't have very Christian values. I guess turn the other cheek means nothing anymore...

Sergeant York had perhaps the best means to explain this when queries as to why he, a Christian, took lives to secure the machine gun nests of the Ardennes forest in WWI. His answer was the he killed the Germans to save the lives of his men.

Those who have the power to save lives around them, have the obligation and responsibility to fight to protect those lives.

That's why I say some military action should be taken against Iran. They have been fueling terrorist actions against the U.S. for decades now, and have claimed a high number of casualties. That number will grow exponentially once Iran finishes its nuclear program. Denying Iran access to nukes, and reminding Iran that there will be consequences for attacks on the U.S., are actions of which we are in dire need.

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 31 July 2016 - 03:46 PM, said:

Also Obama did 100x better than Bush...

...and that just washed away the last shreds of credibility you had with me.

As bad as Bush was, Obama is, without doubt, the sorriest and weakest excuse for a President the United States has ever had. It's hard to even consider him one of our own; he's more like a foreign apologist and sympathizer occupying our highest office. It's embarrassing and hazardous to our nation's pride and safety.

[MadLibrarian]

I think it is important to recognize that propaganda plays a huge role in all public opinion. From amateurs on the internet to professionals on television, almost everything is coercive to some degree. There is simply nothing that can be 'believed', only researched further and considered carefully. Valid conclusions are extremely hard to come by, and even then they need to be reconsidered in light of new information. (Test, retest, review, retest, review. et infinitum.)

If you hold a view that people are getting paid to present, you can pretty much guarantee that whatever truth it derived from has been perverted. Even independent outlets can't be "trusted", only utilized for your own review with potentially less B.S. obscuring the truth.

Only sources that induce critical thought are valuable to the masses, but that can and will vary by the article. Absolute statements are absolutely over-simplified, even this one. Convincing someone they have the answer is one effective way to assure their curiosity is assuaged. If you want to convince someone of anything, convince them to be skeptical of coercion and to keep considering the validity of their existing 'beliefs'.


The persistent perspective of antagonism in this documentary leads me to doubt their conclusions but continue researching their "facts". "Some stuff seems true" is about the closest I can get to a conclusion without launching a full scale review.

(Personally, I'm voting for Cthulhu and hoping the dolphins take over. )

Edited by MadLibrarian, 01 August 2016 - 03:50 PM.

[Nightmare1]

The Miami Dolphins, or the ones that left earth in Hitchhiker's Guide?

[Nightmare1]

Regarding your Obama comments, it's pretty clear you just get your info from CNN, lol.

[Barkem Squirrel]

Geneva Conventions and tortured prisoners, Would be nice, but there is one thing. The US is not a party to it.

Just remember everything is true on the internet, politicians never lie and the people from the government always just want to help you. Ideal goals to think about as an elected councillor for a borough in PA, Chairman of a sewer authority (waste water system of the year for 2016 in PA),. Then Committee man for the county party organization.

There are always truths People will call you up when they want something done (like build a freaking huge industrial waste incinerator) and get it done quietly. People like the Clintions are part of something like that.. Me Lets just say how many signs are out against this proposed incinerator. Interesting to guess my party.