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[JC Daxion]

*edit, Final choice needs to be made.. cliff notes



i couldn't sleep cause it woke me up wondering if my vid card can handle that much are and keep my FPS up where they are now. i5- 3550, 8 gigs ram, Nivida 550Ti


24 inch
http://www.newegg.co...4-377-_-Product


21 inch
http://www.newegg.co...275&ignorebbr=1

the 24 inch also has the amd freesync, but i have a nvidia card so not sure that would do anything.. and yes i know the prices are not the same here, but amazon has it cheaper, and the shipped prices are basically the same. My main concern is will my set up actually run the extra screen at decent FPS


i5- 3550, 8 gigs ram, Nivida 550Ti






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So i DL'd test, and was all ready to go, but when i turned on my comp, my monitor would not come on.. the thing has been acting weird, and has had no power button for years.. *(used a power strip to turn it on and off) But it crapped out, and i had to plug in my old 17" Crt.. Oh my god the glare! How did i ever use this?


But i am not up on what is good for a monitor these days, But i do like asus products, and saw some nice deals over at newegg...

http://www.newegg.co...315%20600987767

Can anyone recommend one of these for me? Like is 60 or 75 refresh better? higher better? Is the 1ms, or 5 ms better? Lower better right?

Or if you see something else in this price range that would be a great deal.. Kinda shooting for around 120-150 with rebate.. and with my Vid card, a 550TI, i don't think i can go up to a 27" and keep my performance aka FPS at a decent rate. My guess, in an other year or two i can go bigger with a 1080, or something around those lines, but for now i think it could be too big.. (i have a 21.5 now, so 23-24 is a decent increase anyway.


So can anyone help me out.. Talk about a total crap weekend to have my monitor crap out on me!

Edited by JC Daxion, 24 August 2016 - 12:22 AM.

[Aresye]

Higher refresh rate is better. The 1ms, 5ms, etc. response times is generally just a marketing gimmick based off the refresh rate.

My recommendation would be to go just a little bit higher, and buy yourself a nice 144hz monitor:
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824236313

You might not be able to get high enough FPS on the 550Ti to capitalize on the high refresh rate, but it will be nice to have when you upgrade to a more powerful card that can get 100+ FPS.

[Tarl Cabot]

Do you have an LCD TV that you can.. hmm, borrow for your computer for a bit ?

[JC Daxion]

I have a big screen TV, but it is way to large for my computer to push at anything over 1280.. it's a 45" and at low frames



What is this IPS thing i keep seeing? they don't have refresh rates? But with the IPS in reviews i saw people talk about. Way back my dad fixed tvs and any time the word ghosting was used, it was bad..

Would if be better to stick with a 60 or 75 refresh over the IPS?

While that other monitor the first guy posted seams nice, it is kinda out of my budget Though perhaps i could push it higher.. Ugg.. I so don't need this expense right now..

[GreenHell]

I use an AOC 144Hz 27-inch monitor.

https://www.amazon.c...l/dp/B00L8LTB3W

Excellent performance, and didn't break my bank (got it on sale). Just make sure you use the "Display Port" cables, as the HDMI and DVI ones can't run past 60Hz (technically the dvi one can, but only at certain rez and configurations...). Might need to update your GFX card to get a DP cable output (I don't know the 550ti).

Edit - I used a big TV for a long while on this same computer an it was fine. Yeah, in REALLY twitchy shooter games you might notice some input lag, but mostly it was just fine. If you just need a screen while you save up, then don't worry about it and just use what you've got as a stop-gap.

Extra double edit - I looked up IPS. It's just a TV technology from the 80's that lets LCD screens be view-able from greater angles, and lets the screen image be a bit clearer than older LCD screen designs.

Edited by GreenHell, 19 August 2016 - 01:09 PM.

[JC Daxion]

Heh.. i was just gonna ask about an AOC.. did some digging at tomshardware, and they mentioned it.. I saw this one, while it is a 21.5, the same as what i have now.. it is only 150 http://www.newegg.co...=9SIA6ZP3PY9398


I do apreciate the knowledge though about the 144 refresh, but with my vid card, i never hit over 60 atm.. so while great for an upgrade, i think my budget at this point means sticking with the 75..


It seams like something that could get me by till i can upgrade vid card, and get a bigger monitor to go with.. And i'll have 2 monitors, as i was actually looking into getting a second so i can have both my systems running with out having to swap..It also has the old style connector too, which means i can plug my old Win 2K system for legacy gaming.. so i don't need this CRT microwave on my desk.. Boy how times have changed

Edited by JC Daxion, 19 August 2016 - 01:18 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

That sad about your TV.. enjoy using it for my system, a Vizio 46in LCD 1080p at 1920*1080. Sit about 2.5ft away from it or so...Had it hooked up to a 55in Samsung but I was overruled on how it should be put to use

[GreenHell]

If you're going to do dual-monitors, you NEED to use identical ones. Computers these days HATE having two different monitors attached and will freak out sometimes based on your configuration. I've been using two different monitors, and it's been nothing but massive headache after massive headache.

Some games don't even run properly with two different monitors attached (MWO being one of them!). No joke, my MWO refuses to run above 60fps after attaching the 2nd monitor... Good job PGI. :/
Edit - For clarity, this isn't because my system can't handle such a task (beast computer), it's because the game literally caps itself when the 2nd monitor is attached...

I've also had problems with Alt+Tab-ing while using two different monitors. Again MWO (sigh) refuses to Alt+Tab when I've got both monitors attached... There's other problems too, like the mouse not being constrained to the game monitor! Just be mindful of this stuff so you don't cause problems down the line.

Edited by GreenHell, 19 August 2016 - 01:27 PM.

[zagibu]

Getting a good monitor is really hard, unfortunately, because the specs you get from the manufacturer are not worth much. The way they measure contrast and response times have nothing to do with real world use, for example. I suggest you check http://www.tftcentral.co.uk as they have pretty thorough reviews.

Edited by zagibu, 19 August 2016 - 01:56 PM.

[JC Daxion]

I'm not going to use dual monitors.. I have dual computers.. So yea, having the analog output is kinda a must, for the simple fact that i'd like to dump this CRT.. My old monitor was an LG 1600x1024, 2ms got it way back in 2008 so not to bad.. still bummed it crapped out on me today.


found this one too, specs seam ok.. I dunno, so hard lol http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824014377

[zagibu]

Currently, if you are living on a rather tight budget, you have to decide if you want a good picture (non TN panel) or refresh rate above 60 Hz. A faster refresh rate only makes sense if your graphic card can also output that many frames per second, otherwise it's wasted. You can get good IPS panels with acceptable response times for regular gaming, but they will be limited to 60 Hz. If you want to go that route, I'd recommend this one: http://www.newegg.co...=9SIA6R436K4634 There are newer models out that replace it, but they aren't really better, just more gimmicks like thinner bezel or wireless charging base for mobile phone built in, and of course they cost more.

[JC Daxion]

Yea, tight budget is in full swing at the moment. I ended up ordering a 24 inch,, 75 refresh, and the stats are better than what i had.. But i am really worried that i should of just stuck with the 21.5, as it worked very well with my set up, getting about 55-60 FPS at medium settings.


i couldn't sleep cause it woke me up wondering if my vid card can handle that much are and keep my FPS up where they are now.

24 inch
http://www.newegg.co...4-377-_-Product


21 inch
http://www.newegg.co...275&ignorebbr=1

the 24 inch also has the amd freesync, but i have a nvidia card so not sure that would do anything.. and yes i know the prices are not the same here, but amazon has it cheaper, and the shipped prices are basically the same.



anyone have any experiance with a 24 inch monitor, and a I5-3350, 8 gigs + geforce 550 TI. I'd hate to get it, and have my FPS tank

[zagibu]

Why should your FPS tank? They are both Full-HD. The refresh rates don't affect the FPS you get if you don't turn V-Sync on.

[JC Daxion]

zagibu, on 20 August 2016 - 01:37 AM, said:

Why should your FPS tank? They are both Full-HD. The refresh rates don't affect the FPS you get if you don't turn V-Sync on.

Because one is 21.5 and the other is 24"

for example, my old 21.5 i was getting around 50-60 in game, at 1600x1024. Kinda averages about 55 for the most part

My 17" CRT, running at 1280 x 740 Is at about 80FPS..


So that is a 20 FPS difference.. If the 24 runs at 1600x10214, given it has a larger pixel area to fill, if it drops 20, that is a pretty big difference. Which is why i asked if anyone had a similar system that runs a 24

Edited by JC Daxion, 20 August 2016 - 01:46 AM.

[zagibu]

JC Daxion, on 20 August 2016 - 01:45 AM, said:

Because one is 21.5 and the other is 24"

for example, my old 21.5 i was getting around 50-60 in game, at 1600x1024. Kinda averages about 55 for the most part

My 17" CRT, running at 1280 x 740 Is at about 80FPS..


So that is a 20 FPS difference.. If the 24 runs at 1600x10214, given it has a larger pixel area to fill, if it drops 20, that is a pretty big difference. Which is why i asked if anyone had a similar system that runs a 24

The screen size doesn't matter, it's the resolution that matters, and since both have the same resolution, you can expect the same FPS.

Or did you mean compared to your old screen? Yeah, if your old screen had a lower resolution than 1920x1080, then you have to expect FPS to be lower at the new resolution. Like you said, more pixels to compute.

If that's gonna be a problem you can always play in a lower resolution on the new monitors and hope your screen can either interpolate it well or use 1:1 mode with black bars.

Edited by zagibu, 20 August 2016 - 01:55 AM.

[JC Daxion]

well, my old 21.5 was a 1600x1024, and my 17 is 1280x740 or something like that, those are both max sizes.

BUT like i was saying, when i plug my computer into my Large screen tv, (42 inch RCA, not sure what resolution it runs, was 500+ bucks a couple years back, But i got an open box deal/steal for 300, they throw in a stand form something else, and i had to buy a 15 dollar remote but i digress. But at 1600 i get tearing in the middle and artifacts all over.. it runs at 1200 ok, but the FPS leaves a lot to be desired.

My vid card is hardly new tech, i think it's 4 years old by now.. But yea the new 24 inch monitor is 1920 (though the 21.5 also has the same max), But i would run it at at 1600 and hope it might not tank the FPS to much? I am just going by what i can test on atm..

[JC Daxion]

Just an update, got my new monitor, (the BenQ 2460) It seems to be working great, but it did get a drop of about 10 FPS over my previous.

I did mess around with settings and got back about 8, so it is running a shade lower than before. But the nice wide screen is making it easier to see. color is also much better than my old one.


So i will ask you guys, What settings for those with a bit lower end systems do you run? How do you maximize FPS while still getting the game to look good? Upgrading my vid card is not an option, and most likely won't be for another year. so till i can do that, anyone have any recommendations?

[SQW]

JC Daxion, on 24 August 2016 - 12:22 AM, said:

Just an update, got my new monitor, (the BenQ 2460) It seems to be working great, but it did get a drop of about 10 FPS over my previous.

I did mess around with settings and got back about 8, so it is running a shade lower than before. But the nice wide screen is making it easier to see. color is also much better than my old one.


So i will ask you guys, What settings for those with a bit lower end systems do you run? How do you maximize FPS while still getting the game to look good? Upgrading my vid card is not an option, and most likely won't be for another year. so till i can do that, anyone have any recommendations?

Turn off all the cockpit crap - those techno color mini monitor etc is always the first to go. Particle is also a big FPS sink after Texture and really only effect PPC animations. Some people also claim full window is better than full screen.

Edited by SQW, 24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM.