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[RestosIII]

MadcatX, on 12 September 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

facepalm pic of your preference here.

[Graugger]

Don't worry the other ACs are going to have their cooldown's doubled.

[Tombs Clawtooth]

Graugger, on 12 September 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

Don't worry the other ACs are going to have their cooldown's doubled.

And more heavily RNG'd to death...

[Bobzilla]

RestosIII, on 12 September 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

You're preaching to the choir about the charge-up. But the minimum range is hilariously ridiculous. It's not the "best idea".

I don't think PPC'S deserve a min range.

The gauss needs it.
Sniper weapons that can be used at any range, cause a stale peekaboo game play. Longer cycle or high heat just reinforces that need to stay far and hidden. Advancing on long range loadouts isn't worth it if they can still used their weapons with the same efficency when in close.

In all fairness, there are better ways to balance it, but they aren't options PGI offers on ballistic, like changing damage.

[Lyoto Machida]

I don't get the complaining about the chargeup from the poptarters...you can still poptart and shoot Gauss rifles with the chargeup. It's just harder than without it.

The problem most likely stems from the advanced average player age in this game...it does take a little bit of coordination to poptart with Gauss but it's still very possible (aside from the crap jump jets).

[Mystere]

GoatHILL, on 12 September 2016 - 01:41 PM, said:

So the gauss remains in the realm of tryhards and macro users.

Why do people insist that using a macro to compensate for the gauss charge is a good thing?

[Bobzilla]

RestosIII, on 12 September 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

Actually, your money isn't worth anything. It's only pieces of fabric, paper, or metals depending on your country.

This is true for some countries, not sure if they all have given up on actual value.

[Bobzilla]

Mystere, on 12 September 2016 - 03:10 PM, said:

Why do people insist that using a macro to compensate for the gauss charge is a good thing?

I think some people have a mental barrier with let go to fire, so single click helps, or click to fire with a click to cancel is best for saving shots and focus. I've done it with the gauss and ppcs, but need to use too many for different ranges.

[Alex Morgaine]

Myantra, on 12 September 2016 - 10:23 AM, said:

I have no problem with the charge mechanic, but it is silly to have when the Gauss gets destroyed easily and frequently explodes when destroyed.

Just make it explode for x% of active charge, out of 20 damage. 30% charged and get a laser spew? Take 20x.3 damage, or about 6.

[Mystere]

Bobzilla, on 12 September 2016 - 03:21 PM, said:

I think some people have a mental barrier with let go to fire, so single click helps, or click to fire with a click to cancel is best for saving shots and focus. I've done it with the gauss and ppcs, but need to use too many for different ranges.

Interesting.

[Bishop Steiner]

627, on 12 September 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

the charge up is a good balance for all this gun offers and not really a problem. People get used to it in like 2 matches so I don't really see a problem with it.

cuz ppl need their ezmode

Vonbach, on 12 September 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

The thing is fifteen tons and takes up a ridiculous amount of space plus it needs ammo to boot.
Thats weakness enough.

My AC20 feels no sympathy for you. Tell you what, let my ac20 reach across the map at near hitscan speeds, for essentially no heat, then we'll talk.

[GoatHILL]

Just to be clear I don't use any macro. I also only have 1 mech with a gauss which rarely sees action.

If people want to use a macro that's up to them I am not calling cheat here but, when a large % of the player base to get around a mechanic use a macro do away with the mechanic.

[YourSaviorLegion]

Rather have charge mechanic mostly because I don't want to relearn one tap and boom, also yeah the balance...

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Zolaz, on 12 September 2016 - 10:18 AM, said:

Evidently Russ loves the charge mechanic and thinks it adds to the game.

because mechs need a "breathing mechanic" his words

[Piney II]

No point and click mechanic on the the deadliest weapon in MWO?

Breaks my heart.......................

[The6thMessenger]

I wish the new gauss charge works this way:

Spoiler

The6thMessenger, on 25 August 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

I'm just going to say it straight, i don't like where Gauss is going right now, having a lowered max range effectively removed it from being a long-range sniper in the game. I thought that was the point of the Gauss anyways?

Based on the points right above, PGI wanted to remove the Gauss-Charge, to make it easier to be used in an alpha. But it does hurt sniper builds.

I have a different take on the gauss charge.

=====
Max Charge Time: 6.0000s
Cooldown: 2.3875s
-----
Max Charge Damage: 20
Max Charge Max Range: 1980 m
Max Charge Min Range: 660 m
Max Charge Projectile Speed: 2000
Max Charge Energy-Consumption: 20
Max Charge Heat: 6.0
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Min Charge Damage 8
Min Charge Max Range: 720 m
Min Charge Min Range: 240 m
Min Charge Projectile Speed: 800
Min Charge Energy Consumption: 8
Min Charge Heat: 2.0
=====

A remake of the Charge Sequence; this simply means that you can fire the weapon every 2.3875s but will deal minimum damage, and will have a short range, low damage and slow projectile speed. But not firing it for additional 6s would allow it to have the best range, damage, and fast projectile speed.

This way, the DPS is retained, though with higher damage potential and longer range for the patient sniper, and is capable for brawling if you like that, and it's still not a hindrance to be used in Alphas because it can be shot just as immediately. The charging sequence is still achieved, at a different way, yet you can still touch enemies at a distance with proper charging.

Now the increasing damage energy consumption and heat changes is also something to prevent this weapon from being use as it was before the August-23rd patch. Because the energy-consumption now becomes 40, and with 10 excess energy use, produces extra heat. Now with 8 heat/charge, it would produce a total 22 heat/shot with double-gauss. Compare that to the original 2 heat for double-gauss.

To put that into perspective, PPC heat is 10, ER-PPC heat is 15, Large Laser heat is 7, ER-Large Laser Heat is 8. AC2 heat is 1, and AC5 heat is 1.5.

Lastly, this is just a concept. The actual numbers might be different, but the idea is that, variable performance based on how long you haven't fired the weapon when it is available to do so, but at the same time retain it's long-range capability because of that.

It's still charging, but not problematic with Alphas.

[Pjwned]

I like the charge up, it offers a good balancing mechanism without needing to obliterate its other stats like giving it an excessively huge cooldown or make up stupid BS like energy draw and then give it an excessively high energy draw value.

Of course the energy draw on it still sucks (because energy draw is bad) and the cooldown is too high, and additionally the charge up mechanism needs a couple tweaks, but I think the charge up will pretty much always make it more balanced.

[Mystere]

GoatHILL, on 12 September 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Just to be clear I don't use any macro. I also only have 1 mech with a gauss which rarely sees action.

If people want to use a macro that's up to them I am not calling cheat here but, when a large % of the player base to get around a mechanic use a macro do away with the mechanic.

I think this is just a case of perception (i.e. a lot of people use macros) vs. reality. I doubt macro users are that many.

[Lyoto Machida]

GoatHILL, on 12 September 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Just to be clear I don't use any macro. I also only have 1 mech with a gauss which rarely sees action.

If people want to use a macro that's up to them I am not calling cheat here but, when a large % of the player base to get around a mechanic use a macro do away with the mechanic.

You don't have to use a macro to "get gud" with the Gauss charge up function...

[badaa]

Lyoto Machida, on 12 September 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

You don't have to use a macro to "get gud" with the Gauss charge up function...

who wants to "get gud" when u can hav a program do it for u, and that the devs dont care if u use