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[MadHornet]

All you have to do is hit them with an AC/20

Hit an arm? Now they have half the firepower as it instantly destroys the arm. Hit them in the leg or any torso? Now they have the integrity of paper. Hit them in any rear torso? Instantly vaporized. Already somewhat damaged? Instantly vaporized.

If I was an equipment salesman with lots of AC/20's in stock, you would be my advertisement, OP.

[lagartx3]

Hans Brackhaus, on 12 October 2016 - 06:21 PM, said:

Every time I see one of these threads, I am amazed by the complete disconnect between the forum and what I see in-game.

Here, people are quick to vigorously defend against any slight to light mechs and are quick to point out that lights are very fragile and "not very good."

In-game, lights are by far the most complained about class of mechs with many cries of "OP" or "they won't die" or "they kill bigger mechs too easy." I'm paraphrasing but you get my point.

Mech Warriors come to the forums to share their tougths and nurture from the collective fountain of knowledge and wisdom that emanates out of its threads...

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My favorite was in a game last week, after we lost, someone posted in chat "they had too many lights, we never stood a chance." The red team had 4 lights, we had only 1. I honestly didn't know whether to laugh or to cry.
But it boggles my mind. Is it a tier thing?

This event its putting in the highligth some really good ligth pilots and tactics, i mean, the other day we had 6 ligths, dude 6!!! that was half of the team!!!! i've never seen something like that in public drops before!

but no, Locust are just ok, you just need to stay with your team and put your back against a wall, end of it all, but noooooooo people just like to roam arround alone... and then i eat their back armor :3

[Deathlike]

MrMadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 05:55 AM, said:

For me it translates to "You are either top Tier player or you can GTFO". No wonder, that only about 2K players play this game now.

And now it's too late, I guess. Cuz even if MM and balance would be fixed - game population is already at critical level, so now it's "imbalanced game vs infinite queue times" dilemma. PGI should have fixed this game, when I told them to. But they were stubborn, arrogant and said, they knew better, how to develop their game. Yeah.

Maybe it's just me, but my K-D ratio has gotten up since the archiving.

Perhaps, you are actually reaching that glass ceiling and don't know how to break it.

I'm certainly not a great player by any means, and I'm still doing better now than I did before. Maybe you need to look at yourself and see what's up.

[DrxAbstract]

Zibmo, on 14 October 2016 - 05:44 AM, said:

Do you think you are making a point? All you are doing is stating "this is a fact" while being as intellectually insulting as you can. No points awarded.

I'll be sure to note soul-crushing effect of your disapproval in the journal I don't have.

[MrMadguy]

Eh. This game is completely broken. First match of the day and I instantly faced ER-LL Raven abuser at HPG, shotting from 100500m, that was preventing my team from maneuvering and my team was completely stomped as the result, as enemies were able to openly attack and focus fire. I don't want to play this game, till this cheat won't be eliminated. There should be some balance between size, speed, armor, firepower and range. When some 'Mechs can have all this things at once - they turn into complete gamebreaking cheat.

Yeah, now I have to play ER-LL vomit build too, cuz it's literally the only viable build in while game (except may be Dakka), but... You should realize my level of skill. You should know, that Adv Zoom module is 100% mandatory for me, cuz I can't even hit anything without it. And even with it and can't hit this freaking pixels from such long distance. And I actually can't understand, how some other players can put precise ST shots from 100500 meters without even having Adv Zoom and while being under AC/LRM fire. For example I can't even see anything in this case, not even talking about precisely aiming at something. How can they do it without some auto-aim cheat?

Edited by MrMadguy, 14 October 2016 - 09:34 AM.

[Bombast]

MrMadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

When some 'Mechs can have all this things at once - they turn into complete gamebreaking cheat.

...That's not a cheat.

Regardless of whether your assertion is true or not, that would fall under the category of a gameplay imbalance. A cheat would be if someone did something to their client to allow them to do things they shouldn't be able to.

For thoroughness, an exploit is when someone finds something in the game that allows them to do something that the game designers didn't intend for a player to be able to do, and they use it to their advantage.

[Y E O N N E]

My God, you are insane. They don't have it all, and the only reason your team was suppressed by an ERLL Raven is because you let him suppress you. His total DPS rate is garbage and you should have just ignored him and gone at the enemy team.

But you didn't, because you and your whole team decided to be cowards who cannot abide the thought of having your paint scratched. And I'm sorry, but sometimes one person has to be the sacrificial lamb to allow the team to get a victory.The Raven will either be so focused on one target that he cannot attack the other 11, or he will be in effectually spreading his damage across several 'Mechs.

Frickin ' L2P. This is basic level strategy. What ever happened to "thinking man's shooter?"

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

MrMadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Eh. This game is completely broken. First match of the day and I instantly faced ER-LL Raven abuser at HPG, shotting from 100500m, that was preventing my team from maneuvering and my team was completely stomped as the result, as enemies were able to openly attack and focus fire. I don't want to play this game, till this cheat won't be eliminated. There should be some balance between size, speed, armor, firepower and range. When some 'Mechs can have all this things at once - they turn into complete gamebreaking cheat.

Yeah, now I have to play ER-LL vomit build too, cuz it's literally the only viable build in while game (except may be Dakka), but... You should realize my level of skill. You should know, that Adv Zoom module is 100% mandatory for me, cuz I can't even hit anything without it. And even with it and can't hit this freaking pixels from such long distance. And I actually can't understand, how some other players can put precise ST shots from 100500 meters without even having Adv Zoom and while being under AC/LRM fire. For example I can't even see anything in this case, not even talking about precisely aiming at something. How can they do it without some auto-aim cheat?

Darn, there's so much bad in this post. How in the world does a whole team manage to get stopped up by a single ERLL Raven? The most they can even have is 3, its only 29 damage and less than that at 1000m. All you had to do in that situation was spread damage to the arms a bit and move on to the central area of the map.

I usually run adv zoom also, since I have a turn of the century tiny CRT monitor, with it I do fine hitting components, if people are actually standing still I've shot their head out with clan ERML. I've also continued brawls as last man alive while under fire from ACs, LRMs, and lasers from multiple positions from 6 or more enemies as last man and still killed the enemy I was battling because none of it actually interferes with crosshair position, so all you have to do is have your enemy targeted and aim for center of the box.

Have you tried getting good rather than claiming hacks and OP equipment on other mechs? Usually training usually consists of having bad odds anyway, running with a weighed jacket so when you get to the race you fly. Apparently you haven't done even remotely well since back in beta when you used a bunch of Atlases in a time where the majority of players wouldn't afford one.

[Bombast]

Dakota1000, on 14 October 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

How in the world does a whole team manage to get stopped up by a single ERLL Raven?

To be fair, it happens a lot. And due to the way HPG is set up, and how small Ravens are, and how ECM works... it's really not that hard to see why it happens. PUGs don't work together well under the best of conditions, and they sure as hell don't work well together when they're all panicking. No one wants to take damage, most of the people in the group probably couldn't hit the Raven even if they wanted to, and the people who can and want to are now faced with two ****** options:

• Try to get some breathing space so they can twist and ourrun the Raven's lasers, which gets them away from the party where the red team can run a train on you while the rest of your team huddles together for warmth or comfort.
  
• Stay with the party and try to use your range to stave off the Raven, only now you're stuck in a tight space where you can't move and the Raven has 100% control of the engagement.

There's really no good way for a single person to counter it, barring them being an uber sniper or a light that can chase the Raven off the wall. And those are arguably the two hardest things to do in the game - Hitting a light that's at 1000m and running, or being a good light driver (Which is beyond most, me included).

Still not cheating though. Just a good strategy that works.

[Y E O N N E]

MrMadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Yeah, now I have to play ER-LL vomit build too, cuz it's literally the only viable build in while game (except may be Dakka), but... You should realize my level of skill. You should know, that Adv Zoom module is 100% mandatory for me, cuz I can't even hit anything without it. And even with it and can't hit this freaking pixels from such long distance. And I actually can't understand, how some other players can put precise ST shots from 100500 meters without even having Adv Zoom and while being under AC/LRM fire. For example I can't even see anything in this case, not even talking about precisely aiming at something. How can they do it without some auto-aim cheat?

Why do you think your level of ability is or even should be representative of everybody else's? Have you tried watching game play footage from the view of better players? There is certainly no shortage of options, there.

The things you have problems with are fundamental to shooters as a genre.

[Zergling]

MrMadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Eh. This game is completely broken. First match of the day and I instantly faced ER-LL Raven abuser at HPG, shotting from 100500m, that was preventing my team from maneuvering and my team was completely stomped as the result, as enemies were able to openly attack and focus fire. I don't want to play this game, till this cheat won't be eliminated. There should be some balance between size, speed, armor, firepower and range. When some 'Mechs can have all this things at once - they turn into complete gamebreaking cheat.

Yeah, now I have to play ER-LL vomit build too, cuz it's literally the only viable build in while game (except may be Dakka), but... You should realize my level of skill. You should know, that Adv Zoom module is 100% mandatory for me, cuz I can't even hit anything without it. And even with it and can't hit this freaking pixels from such long distance. And I actually can't understand, how some other players can put precise ST shots from 100500 meters without even having Adv Zoom and while being under AC/LRM fire. For example I can't even see anything in this case, not even talking about precisely aiming at something. How can they do it without some auto-aim cheat?

Sorry, but I have to be brutally honest here. There is only one thing that you don't have, that they have. Skill.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

MrMadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Eh. This game is completely broken. First match of the day and I instantly faced ER-LL Raven abuser at HPG, shotting from 100500m, that was preventing my team from maneuvering and my team was completely stomped as the result, as enemies were able to openly attack and focus fire. I don't want to play this game, till this cheat won't be eliminated. There should be some balance between size, speed, armor, firepower and range. When some 'Mechs can have all this things at once - they turn into complete gamebreaking cheat.

That "cheat" is called "tactics." The enemy sent out a harasser to break your team's focus so that their main force could roll in and defeat yours in a one-sided stomp. They succeeded.

Now, I'm assuming that you don't actually mean the guy was standing at one hundred thousand and five hundred meters, because that's the total distance across several maps combined. I'm going to assume that you mean "1500m" because that is actually possible on HPG. IS ERLL has an optimum range of 675m and a maximum range of 1350m. If you're telling the truth about how far away he was, then he wasn't even doing damage- not even if he had the RVN-4X's 10% range quirk. But let's shorten that down to 1000m, just to be extra generous. IS laser damage falls off from 100% at optimum range to 0% at max range. At 1000m, that Raven's ERLLs would be doing somewhere around half damage. A Raven can mount up to 3xERLL, for an alpha of 27, but the more common config is 2xERLL for an alpha of 18. Now cut that in half at 1000m (that's 13.5 for 3xERLL and 9 for 2xERLL, since you're having trouble with numbers), and spread that damage all over somebody's torso or possibly even several 'Mechs.

You are wrong. Mathematically wrong. It doesn't get any more wrong than that. The simple, sad fact is that you let yourself get distracted by a non-threat, and paid the price for it.

[Jetfire]

FupDup, on 12 October 2016 - 04:11 PM, said:

The Pixie is a legitimate contender for the award of worst mech in the game, right down there with Vindicators and Spider 5V's.

Nearly everything seems overpowered when compared against them.

0_o

Maybe it's just my namesake... but I do really well in the PHX and have no issue killing locusts.

[Thunder Child]

meteorol, on 14 October 2016 - 06:22 AM, said:

The leaderboards are quite interesting tbh. When reading some posts, you have to wonder if people either don't know others can actually see their leaderboardstats, or if they judge their own performance in this game with some kind of distorted perception.

It's especially conspicuous when people claiming the MM "only matches them with bad teams" and they do "hardcarry every match", and when you check their stats, it's pretty obvious they are average at best. Sometimes their stats suggest they don't even carry their own weight. Don't know if people only remember their better matches and judge their performance influenced by some sort of confirmation bias, but pretty often the stats do atleast suggest a different story than people tell.

I wasn't even aware of them until I read this thread.
And to be perfectly honest, I'm quite surprised by my stats. I thought they would be a lot lower, as I know I am a very bad player. I mostly avoid Metamech builds (except the ACH, I have NOT found any build that works for that thing other than SPL), and I do stupid things like leading a charge into a gunline, rather than sit behind a rock and poke at people for the ENTIRE MATCH.
So it's interesting to see my stats as high as they are.

Yeonne Greene, on 14 October 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

My God, you are insane. They don't have it all, and the only reason your team was suppressed by an ERLL Raven is because you let him suppress you. His total DPS rate is garbage and you should have just ignored him and gone at the enemy team.

But you didn't, because you and your whole team decided to be cowards who cannot abide the thought of having your paint scratched. And I'm sorry, but sometimes one person has to be the sacrificial lamb to allow the team to get a victory.The Raven will either be so focused on one target that he cannot attack the other 11, or he will be in effectually spreading his damage across several 'Mechs.

Frickin ' L2P. This is basic level strategy. What ever happened to "thinking man's shooter?"

But 'dem lazorz be breaking mah dekals!

Also, love being the Sacrificial Lamb. Especially in my Atlas! FOLLOW MEEEEeeee *DEAD*. But, usually the enemy is so focussed on destroying the Zombie waddling towards them, that the rest of the team can clean up.

[L3mming2]

Hans Brackhaus, on 12 October 2016 - 06:21 PM, said:

Every time I see one of these threads, I am amazed by the complete disconnect between the forum and what I see in-game.

Here, people are quick to vigorously defend against any slight to light mechs and are quick to point out that lights are very fragile and "not very good."

In-game, lights are by far the most complained about class of mechs with many cries of "OP" or "they won't die" or "they kill bigger mechs too easy." I'm paraphrasing but you get my point. My favorite was in a game last week, after we lost, someone posted in chat "they had too many lights, we never stood a chance." The red team had 4 lights, we had only 1. I honestly didn't know whether to laugh or to cry.

But it boggles my mind. Is it a tier thing?

is he sarcastic?

[Deathlike]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

That "cheat" is called "tactics." The enemy sent out a harasser to break your team's focus so that their main force could roll in and defeat yours in a one-sided stomp. They succeeded.

Now, I'm assuming that you don't actually mean the guy was standing at one hundred thousand and five hundred meters, because that's the total distance across several maps combined. I'm going to assume that you mean "1500m" because that is actually possible on HPG. IS ERLL has an optimum range of 675m and a maximum range of 1350m. If you're telling the truth about how far away he was, then he wasn't even doing damage- not even if he had the RVN-4X's 10% range quirk. But let's shorten that down to 1000m, just to be extra generous. IS laser damage falls off from 100% at optimum range to 0% at max range. At 1000m, that Raven's ERLLs would be doing somewhere around half damage. A Raven can mount up to 3xERLL, for an alpha of 27, but the more common config is 2xERLL for an alpha of 18. Now cut that in half at 1000m (that's 13.5 for 3xERLL and 9 for 2xERLL, since you're having trouble with numbers), and spread that damage all over somebody's torso or possibly even several 'Mechs.

You are wrong. Mathematically wrong. It doesn't get any more wrong than that. The simple, sad fact is that you let yourself get distracted by a non-threat, and paid the price for it.

One of the things people get caught up with... for all the wrong reasons is the squirrel that has 2 ERLL/CERLL and trying to catch the critter instead of trying to kill things that can kill you quicker. Many times people spend too much time focusing on the wrong things and make it easier for enemy to capitalize on the distraction. Very often once all the stronger mechs on the field are on, then you have all the time in the world to chase that Light because at that point... the distraction becomes the prey.

But hey... just chase the SQUIRREL!

[Mystere]

MrMadguy, on 14 October 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Eh. This game is completely broken. First match of the day and I instantly faced ER-LL Raven abuser at HPG, shotting from 100500m, that was preventing my team from maneuvering and my team was completely stomped as the result, as enemies were able to openly attack and focus fire. I don't want to play this game, till this cheat won't be eliminated. There should be some balance between size, speed, armor, firepower and range. When some 'Mechs can have all this things at once - they turn into complete gamebreaking cheat.

Yeah, now I have to play ER-LL vomit build too, cuz it's literally the only viable build in while game (except may be Dakka), but... You should realize my level of skill. You should know, that Adv Zoom module is 100% mandatory for me, cuz I can't even hit anything without it. And even with it and can't hit this freaking pixels from such long distance. And I actually can't understand, how some other players can put precise ST shots from 100500 meters without even having Adv Zoom and while being under AC/LRM fire. For example I can't even see anything in this case, not even talking about precisely aiming at something. How can they do it without some auto-aim cheat?

I seriously suggest buying a dictionary.

[Pariah Devalis]

Mystere, on 14 October 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

I seriously suggest buying a dictionary.

But reading is hard, and he doesn't want to put forth the effort required to pronounce the words in said dictionary. Instead, he just wants to be able to snap his fingers and finish the book, knowing all the words, automatically.

Edit: I am reminded of a time in MW4 where I refused to engage a Direwolf head on with my Ebon Jaguar. Instead, I drew out the fight, circling all the way around, to get behind his guns carefully. Stealthily. My opponent was screaming at me the entire game, claiming I should "fight like a man."

In the end, I closed range, got in behind him, and tore him to pieces with nary a scratch. Using your intelligence to approach situations with critical thinking skills, instead of either mindlessly being aggressive or needlessly passive, is the true "cheat," if there ever was one. Use your head, and stop playing the victim. You're only the victim if you let yourself be.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 14 October 2016 - 04:15 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Boogie138, on 12 October 2016 - 05:26 PM, said:

Dont even get me started on the dreaded lurm locust

Them's the pure haxxors right there.

[Wintersdark]

Kirkland Langue, on 13 October 2016 - 09:30 AM, said:

Two very contrasting points of view which PGI should have stated from the very beginning which philosophy MWO was going to be built upon. They didn't, and it is this lack of clarity that causes much drama.

No, they in fact did, repeatedly.

From literally day one in this game (that is, even before Beta started, when they were selling Founders packs) they stated that a key aspect of MWO's design was that all mechs would be equally viable. In fact, back as far as their initial sales pitch that was a key aspect; that you don't progress from lights>mediums>heavies>assaults, and that it's not a linear increase in power.

This is a fundamental part of MWO's design, a core aspect of gameplay.

It doesn't work that well in practice, because even the "OP" lights (that is, the top couple of lights) are rather terrible when compared to the best heavies/assaults.

There is no lack of clarity here.