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[Koniving]

Ouze, on 24 October 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

Thank you all for your advice. I have in fact added BAP and a UAV, working on the additional module.

Have you had the issue again since adding those?

[Skrapha]

Omniseed, on 12 October 2016 - 11:01 PM, said:

Add an Active Probe and a TAG, and Artemis every time for a Streak boat.

I didnt know you could add Artemis to c-streak's. When you upgrade to artemis, the plain SRM's and LRM's change to "+ artemis" but the streaks stay the same, and don't increase in weight, like all the other missile types. There is no indication that the streaks have been upgraded or changed in any way after selecting artemis.

Ive never added artemis to my streak mechs for this reason, seeing no reason fo rthe expense. (though i always add it to my SRM and LRM mechs)

Id love it if i were wrong though....

[Tesunie]

Skrapha, on 19 February 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

I didnt know you could add Artemis to c-streak's. When you upgrade to artemis, the plain SRM's and LRM's change to "+ artemis" but the streaks stay the same, and don't increase in weight, like all the other missile types. There is no indication that the streaks have been upgraded or changed in any way after selecting artemis.

Ive never added artemis to my streak mechs for this reason, seeing no reason fo rthe expense. (though i always add it to my SRM and LRM mechs)

Id love it if i were wrong though....

SSRMs and LRMs run off the same locking mechanics. What affects one mechanics, affects the other as well.

In this case here, Artemis lets you get locks on faster. This helps your SSRMs as well as your LRMs. It's the only benefit (and best one) that applies to SSRMs.

It's also how TAG can help, as it makes getting missile locks faster as well as increases target decay (time it takes to be off target before you lose your missile locks). TAG is optional for SSRMs, but if you don't have any other missiles on your mech but SSRMs, ALWAYS place Artemis on.

Test this for yourself. It's worth the C-bills to try it, even if I am wrong (and not to sound boastful here, but I know I am not).

[Skrapha]

Tesunie, on 19 February 2017 - 11:28 AM, said:

SSRMs and LRMs run off the same locking mechanics. What affects one mechanics, affects the other as well.

In this case here, Artemis lets you get locks on faster. This helps your SSRMs as well as your LRMs. It's the only benefit (and best one) that applies to SSRMs.

It's also how TAG can help, as it makes getting missile locks faster as well as increases target decay (time it takes to be off target before you lose your missile locks). TAG is optional for SSRMs, but if you don't have any other missiles on your mech but SSRMs, ALWAYS place Artemis on.

Test this for yourself. It's worth the C-bills to try it, even if I am wrong (and not to sound boastful here, but I know I am not).

Thanks a lot, Im still fairly new to MWO (though not the universe) and I was wondering about that, since I didn't see any weight change when I added artemis to my SSRMs (like you do when you upgrade SRMs and LRMs).

But I just upgraded my SSRMS anyway, like you suggested, and Its an obvious improvement! The locks come far faster and more of my strikes hit home, in a tighter, CT hitting mass. Thanks for the Info

This is one of the reasons why I love this game, it has such a helpful online community that goes out of its way to help new players, instead of shaming them and being rather.....unhelpful...

Thanks again, and maybe one day I shall see you on the field of battle!

o7

[Tesunie]

Skrapha, on 19 February 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

But I just upgraded my SSRMS anyway, like you suggested, and Its an obvious improvement! The locks come far faster and more of my strikes hit home, in a tighter, CT hitting mass. Thanks for the Info

It will improve lock speeds, but Artemis has no affect on SSRM groupings. If it's hitting CT more often, it's just random chance.

SSRMs, when they shoot, each missile will lock onto a random component and seek it out (excluding heads). Artemis does not affect this mechanic at all, at least not from what I've noticed...

Edit: Changed Change to Chance...

Edited by Tesunie, 19 February 2017 - 03:24 PM.

[Quintus Verus]

If you're playing escort and are under enemy ECM from the flags, you won't be able to get a lock. I just had it happen where an awesome charged my Warhawk and I couldn't get a targeting ring at all. Even with BAP installed, I could never get a lock.

Edited by Quintus Verus, 19 February 2017 - 08:52 PM.

[Tesunie]

Quintus Verus, on 19 February 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

If you're playing escort and are under enemy ECM from the flags, you won't be able to get a lock. I just had it happen where an awesome charged my Warhawk and I couldn't get a targeting ring at all. Even with BAP installed, I could never get a lock.

Escort has "slightly different rules" when it comes to information warfare. Those beacons provide one team with intel and ECM, and the other gains nothing till they are capped. The ECM from Escorts beacons can not be disabled via any means I know of, short of capturing the point to at least a neutral state.

Otherwise, AP of any kind (Beagle or Clan) will disable a single ECM within close range to it. (I believe 200m?) Two ECM units nearby, and you will still be blocked.

[TooDumbToQuit]

TAG is the must. Learn to toggle or keep it on using fire control. When it is on, it is easy to target a Mech with ECM.

It cuts right through ECM and I have seen the enemy mechs semi-stunned when missiles rain on them.

However, it does seem to be that locks are not holding, I even have found it hard to find Narced targets at times.

[JC Daxion]

Tesunie, on 12 October 2016 - 11:15 PM, said:

AP and Artemis is YES here.

TAG? Not needed so much. It helps, but it not needed for SSRMs for the most part.

ehh,, i think tag really helps with speed of getting lock.. and it never hurts to stack just in case there is ECM.. typically streak mechs can spare a single energy slot for it.. rather spend 1 ton on that than a heatsink..

Just add the tag to the same group as your streaks.. that way when you target the mech, just hold down the button and it will fire as soon as ready..

set up a second hotkey, just in case you wanna use it and not fire your streaks, aka target is out of range.

Edited by JC Daxion, 20 February 2017 - 03:44 PM.

[Tesunie]

JC Daxion, on 20 February 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

ehh,, i think tag really helps with speed of getting lock.. and it never hurts to stack just in case there is ECM.. typically streak mechs can spare a single energy slot for it.. rather spend 1 ton on that than a heatsink..

Just add the tag to the same group as your streaks.. that way when you target the mech, just hold down the button and it will fire as soon as ready..

set up a second hotkey, just in case you wanna use it and not fire your streaks, aka target is out of range.

There is one problem, most Streaks have a range that they will be unable to even get a lock when ECM is close. If you are getting beat on by two ECM mechs (I'm presuming you have an AP here), TAG is unlikely to be of help as you won't even be able to acquire a missile lock even with it's help.

For mechs that are in that "donut" range where you can get missile locks while the target is under ECM, yes. TAG would help there. And yes, TAG does provide faster lock on speeds. It's a "nice to have" but not a "must have" for Streaks. Sometimes, another laser might be better than a TAG... Depending upon the situation and build.