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[Tahlendorf]

I started playing very recently to MWO (3 weeks ago) on my laptop
MSI GP60
Intel Core i7 4700MQ, 16Gb RAM, GeForce GT 740M and 250GB Samsung 840Evo SSD

playing MWO on 720p, with a mix of LOW and MED settings getting about 30fps

I have the oportunity to get a good price on a lightly used enterprise desktop system for 380€ (405USD)
DELL Optiplex 990
Intel Core i7 2600
8 Gb DDR3
Ati HD6450

The semi-new rig with some upgrades could be around 900$
i7-2600, 16Gb DDR3, 250Gb SSD drive and a GTX 1070

A new rig with an i7-6700 and almost same components would be around 1400$
i7-6700, 16Gb DDR4, 250Gb SSD drive and a GTX 1070

Aiming to play at FullHD with high settings and 50-60fps....
Is it worth to take this rig and made some upgrades (16Gb RAM, SSD drive and a GTX 1070) or go for a new gaming rig with a i7 6700?

Differences only on processor and RAM type...

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[dabeda]

an i7 6700 might be overkill if all you wanna do is play games, an i7 4790 will perform better in that regard, also ddr4 offers almost no benefits over ddr3 so you could save some bucks there, might aswell spend the saved money on a upgrade for the graphics card, because that will probably be the bottleneck in most situations

[xWiredx]

MWO will take every cycle the i7 6700K can provide and eat it because of the draw call volume from the particles, environment, and shadows settings. We've seen that 4.5GhZ on a Haswell system is where the drop-off from those is no longer significant. Expect 4.4GhZ on a Skylake chip to be the equivalent (something the 6700K is definitely capable of).

I used to have an i7 2600K and a 4.4GhZ there were still nasty dips with particles, environment, and shadows set to very high. I had to reduce them to high to keep frame rates more stable.

Anything above a GTX 1060 is probably wasted on MWO. If you're going to play other games or play at resolutions above 1080p then you may want to consider the 1070 or 1080.

As far as RAM goes, if its DDR3-1866 or better, just leave it. If it's DDR3-1600 or worse, might as well upgrade. Most of the top-tier boards from the Sandy Bridge days supported 1866 and 2133, but typically premades come with 1333 as a penny-pinching maneuver.

[Dragoon20005]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 120 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($101.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($383.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA G2L 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1227.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-04 09:15 EST-0500

this PC is a solid performer for 1.2K with just the desktop alone.

buy the Windows 10 Pro key from here

https://www.kinguin....sional-oem-key/

DDR3 is getting phased out once Zen AM4 is coming out.

DDR4 will become the mainstream type of RAM and DDR3 like DDR2 and DDR will end production and the prices will go up while DDR4 will be cheaper.

the Skylake 6700K with a good cooler will net at least 4.5-4.6GHz without any voltage mods.

the i7 2600K outside of MWO is still a viable gaming PC rig, just not this car

[xWiredx]

Dragoon20005, on 04 December 2016 - 06:23 AM, said:

Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($72.99 @ Newegg)

DDR4 will become the mainstream type of RAM and DDR3 like DDR2 and DDR will end production and the prices will go up while DDR4 will be cheaper.

Speaking of DDR4... 2133 is too slow with such high latencies and there's pretty much no reason to recommend it over something like DDR4-3200 because the price difference is only like $10-15. With DDR4, the latencies impact performance enough that it isn't as good as DDR3 until you get to DDR4-3000 or so.

[Dragoon20005]

xWiredx, on 04 December 2016 - 05:16 PM, said:

Speaking of DDR4... 2133 is too slow with such high latencies and there's pretty much no reason to recommend it over something like DDR4-3200 because the price difference is only like $10-15. With DDR4, the latencies impact performance enough that it isn't as good as DDR3 until you get to DDR4-3000 or so.

so i guess this should be enough.

https://pcpartpicker...43000c15d16gvrb

My wishful thinking that could move the game engine from the Cryengine to Unreal 4 Engine which will be used on the actual Mechwarrior 5 Mercs game.

[xWiredx]

Dragoon20005, on 05 December 2016 - 02:42 AM, said:

so i guess this should be enough.

https://pcpartpicker...43000c15d16gvrb

My wishful thinking that could move the game engine from the Cryengine to Unreal 4 Engine which will be used on the actual Mechwarrior 5 Mercs game.

Yeah, definitely good enough. With Skylake being dual-channel, I typically just recommend the fastest that fits the budget and motherboard support since there isn't much of a price difference.

I believe MW5 Mercs -is- going to be staying on UE4 but I doubt that MWO will be following suit unless they've nailed down a nice, fast process for translating things over already. If they do transition engines for MWO, too, I'd expect it to be closer to MW5 release.

Edited by xWiredx, 05 December 2016 - 06:58 AM.

[darqsyde]

you don't need a 1070, an RX480 will easily run 1080p.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Just built this rig yesterday for my niece.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/NtD7vV
Paid about 780€ in total (different monitor but same specs and a zotec GTX 1060 3GB instead of the GTX 1050 in the list).

Maybe it helps.

Add: pretty sure i used a different power supply, but it should have been in the same price and watt range (just not bronze rating).

Edited by Toha Heavy Industries, 05 December 2016 - 01:34 PM.

[Vxheous]

darqsyde, on 05 December 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

you don't need a 1070, an RX480 will easily run 1080p.

Having the game run 110-140 fps (dips into mid 90s) on a 144hz monitor with a GTX 1070 feels so much better than running it 60 fps. (Particles turned down)

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 05 December 2016 - 02:28 PM.

[darqsyde]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 05 December 2016 - 02:28 PM, said:

Having the game run 110-140 fps (dips into mid 90s) on a 144hz monitor with a GTX 1070 feels so much better than running it 60 fps. (Particles turned down)

Re-read the OP. I'm assuming he's only got a 60Hz monitor. And I do know that the 480 will push 90+ fps at 1080p. Also, fair bit of money to be pocketed going with a 480 instead of a 1070.

[Dragoon20005]

darqsyde, on 05 December 2016 - 02:51 PM, said:

Re-read the OP. I'm assuming he's only got a 60Hz monitor. And I do know that the 480 will push 90+ fps at 1080p. Also, fair bit of money to be pocketed going with a 480 instead of a 1070.

90 fps is only possible with other games or like Crysis 3

this game just wont use the GPU to the max

the RX480 is still a slower GPU which is suppose to replace the R9 390X.

https://pcpartpicker...card-112470340g

recently the R9 Fury card is going for a steal of only 250 dollars or less if you factor in the mail in rebate.

for extra dollars over the RX 480 8GB, you get a near GTX1070 performance in DX12 and Vulkan games.

and 1080P Ultra is a non-issue in MW:O with the Fury

Edited by Dragoon20005, 05 December 2016 - 07:20 PM.

[darqsyde]

Dragoon20005, on 05 December 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

90 fps is only possible with other games or like Crysis 3

this game just wont use the GPU to the max

the RX480 is still a slower GPU which is suppose to replace the R9 390X.

https://pcpartpicker...card-112470340g

recently the R9 Fury card is going for a steal of only 250 dollars or less if you factor in the mail in rebate.

for extra dollars over the RX 480 8GB, you get a near GTX1070 performance in DX12 and Vulkan games.

and 1080P Ultra is a non-issue in MW:O with the Fury

I know 1080p Ultra is a non-issue in MWO with an RX480

But there is really no point in the OP buying a card that will drive at 90-144FPS unless he also has/is planning to buy a monitor that supports it. And he has to look at prices where he is, which appears to be Spain.

[Dragoon20005]

darqsyde, on 05 December 2016 - 11:08 PM, said:

I know 1080p Ultra is a non-issue in MWO with an RX480

But there is really no point in the OP buying a card that will drive at 90-144FPS unless he also has/is planning to buy a monitor that supports it. And he has to look at prices where he is, which appears to be Spain.

we can only speculate the game performance of the RX 480 on MW:O

unless someone with the decent CPU and has the RX 480 could chip in on the results.

so far i have only seen gameplay using the 290X but no R9 390/X let alone the RX 480 which is kinda weird.

Freesync monitors are slightly cheaper than G-Sync monitors and have also decent refresh rates.

but i can assure you that the RX 480 is more of a 1080P to 1440P gaming card. The Fury is a 1440P card right off the bat and even possible 4K ready as well.

[darqsyde]

Dragoon20005, on 06 December 2016 - 01:55 AM, said:

we can only speculate the game performance of the RX 480 on MW:O

unless someone with the decent CPU and has the RX 480 could chip in on the results.

Don't make me break out afterburner logs

check my sig yo

Edited by darqsyde, 06 December 2016 - 09:52 AM.

[xWiredx]

darqsyde, on 06 December 2016 - 09:51 AM, said:

Don't make me break out afterburner logs

check my sig yo

"Don't force me to provide helpful data for the forums in which I'm posting this 'don't force me' message in"

Oh no, how dare you threaten us with data that we want? It isn't even Xmas yet. It'd be absolutely awful if you gave us the data that we want before the shopping season ends so people can make informed decisions.

Afterburner logs and fraps performance stats from CSV whenever you're ready plox.

[darqsyde]

xWiredx, on 06 December 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

"Don't force me to provide helpful data for the forums in which I'm posting this 'don't force me' message in"

Oh no, how dare you threaten us with data that we want? It isn't even Xmas yet. It'd be absolutely awful if you gave us the data that we want before the shopping season ends so people can make informed decisions.

Afterburner logs and fraps performance stats from CSV whenever you're ready plox.

I hate you Wired

Proceeding with installing AB

Edited by darqsyde, 06 December 2016 - 10:28 AM.

[darqsyde]

Happy Now? Mining Collective, Domination
1080p, Full Window, DX11, MB Low, Vsync Off, Damage Glow On, Very High (AA Off)

Edited by darqsyde, 06 December 2016 - 11:53 AM.

[xWiredx]

Well, it would be nicer to have a full CSV that can be digested... but I guess this will do. I mean, I don't think there's any doubts that the 480 would be enough for a good 1080p experience, but having data to show what kind of experience people can get helps when people say "I have X budget, am a brand Y loyalist if possible, need a new PC" or whatever. Thanks for the data!

[Dragoon20005]

xWiredx, on 06 December 2016 - 12:25 PM, said:

Well, it would be nicer to have a full CSV that can be digested... but I guess this will do. I mean, I don't think there's any doubts that the 480 would be enough for a good 1080p experience, but having data to show what kind of experience people can get helps when people say "I have X budget, am a brand Y loyalist if possible, need a new PC" or whatever. Thanks for the data!

based on the graph,

the GPU is holding steady at 1306MHz GPU core and 1750Mhz Memory clock

peak wattage is 130 watts

even with the face tanking fights, the GPU VRAM is only using 2663MB

but odd to see tons of GPU usage dips right where the first contact starts.

138 fps seems to the the peak