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[Bombast]

All I have to say on that matter is 'No ****.'

[Imperius]

While at MechConi used the tournament as a break to go get more drinks from the bar, food, and to converse with the Devs around at the time.

Not at one time did I feel the need to watch the tournament.

[Tristan Winter]

Imperius, on 09 December 2016 - 05:05 AM, said:

While at MechConi used the tournament as a break to go get more drinks from the bar, food, and to converse with the Devs around at the time.

Not at one time did I feel the need to watch the tournament.

In that case, nor did the devs, apparently.

[Imperius]

Tristan Winter, on 09 December 2016 - 05:06 AM, said:

In that case, nor did the devs, apparently.

To be fair they had a lot of us to talk to.

MWO can not be an esport until:

60 FPS no dips
Replay mode
Spectate Mode
Unit stats from an tournament queue (another bucket)
Tournaments and teams selected on that performance.
Tons of balance changes.

That's the bare minimum in my opinion before MWO can jump into esports.

[rolly]

Its ironic at the end then after the awards they had the mic left open and Daeron? says off stage "Uh what do we do? We finished early. We're all just going to hang out then..." Meanwhile the camera is just pointed off at the empty stage. Then he comes back on "Uh guys, we're all going to hang out now, go over to FCIX for their draw..." Classic PGI production.

No finish, no post game.

But then again this is pretty much missed opportunities and half baked all over. Just like their launch and just like their Steam launch. It truly makes me sad. Especially with all the nerd love that Tina gets, she should be out here more, citing engaging and probably have a team of people allowing her to do her job as be a CM. Do a bloody interview with the team leaders or something. But no. She can't even respond to direct messages or offers to help.

As for the espurts: That LoL sportscast looks scary. I was half expecting a weigh-in, neck beard measuring in shorts and stare down before the match. People in suits as announcers!? Where as we had...bellies and t-shirts. Classy.

Edited by rolly, 09 December 2016 - 06:07 AM.

[Beaching Betty]

+Like like like!

[El Bandito]

What everyone above said. PGI had missed a big opportunity.

[Hunka Junk]

Imperius, on 09 December 2016 - 05:05 AM, said:

While at MechConi used the tournament as a break to go get more drinks from the bar, food, and to converse with the Devs around at the time.

Not at one time did I feel the need to watch the tournament.

Yeah, I saw you.

You were that guy that walked by at 7:35 during 12 HOURS OF NON-STOP COVERAGE (that started an hour late).

I especially enjoyed the people sitting alone saving tables for their friends, that one guy that bought like 12 beers, and the super-exciting moment when they gave everybody...what was it...nachos? Poutine?

I was right in the thick of it. Breathing it. Maybe not smelling it.

[Appogee]

The thing is: there are a LOT of mature people playing this game, who DO have the experience and knowledge to help and guide PGI in matters where they are clearly out of the depth.

But they can't even be bothered hearing our advice. We're here in the forums sharing one good idea after another, but they never visit.

I'm not saying every idea shared here is good or implementable. But many could be sparking PGI's imagination and own thinking.

Instead, it's just us customers talking among ourselves, talking about what could be but never will.

[Haakon Magnusson]

Tristan Winter, on 09 December 2016 - 01:37 AM, said:

I wanted to wait a few days before commenting too much on how PGI handled the MWOWC finals, but... well, it's been almost a week.

They only posted an article revealing who won the world championship on Tuesday, and it's fairly inconspicuous on the front page, because it's just a little text and some links. No images or links in the main banner. There's no in-game information or pictures about the MWOWC finals.

The esport thing is turning out to be as much of a missed opportunity as the lore thing, in my mind. You have loads of people who would probably like to help out with this stuff for minimal pay. Doing interviews, taking pictures, posting video highlights, writing articles. I mean, MWO had fairly good player-run tournaments even before PGI got involved. One tournament even had donations and its own website. There's a lot of enthusiasm that PGI could have taken advantage of.

We've been joking about the absence of a community manager, but thought there might be a small chance that the community manager was busy taking care of MWOWC. But even after what is arguably the biggest or second biggest MWO event ever, there's none of the above being carried out by a community manager. No interviews, no articles, no vlogs, nothing.

I understand that PGI is a small(ish) company, but that's why they should take advantage of the community. And highlight the few milestones and worldwide events there are. You know, I've been playing MWO almost every day since 2012. I'm probably in the top 1% in terms of money spent and hours played. I still have no idea who most of the guys in the finals are, except Proton and Heimdelight and a few others. If you want to build an esport, wouldn't you want to promote your biggest "stars"?

I'm not posting for the sake of schadenfreude, it's just a pity that PGI keeps missing big opportunities.

My main gripe is that their communication is not good. Well it has never been their strong suite, but still.

Minimally for event like this you SHOULD have had something prepped beforehand about the road to finals, type in the winner and post it same damn evening. Unless they want to hide this away and never return to it (why would they, they'd be wasting spent cash and wasted a good PR opportunity)

I mean small companies can have knowledgeable people working for them, unless they aren't paying reasonable wages?

[Imperius]

Hunka Junk, on 09 December 2016 - 06:07 AM, said:

Yeah, I saw you.

You were that guy that walked by at 7:35 during 12 HOURS OF NON-STOP COVERAGE (that started an hour late).

I especially enjoyed the people sitting alone saving tables for their friends, that one guy that bought like 12 beers, and the super-exciting moment when they gave everybody...what was it...nachos? Poutine?

I was right in the thick of it. Breathing it. Maybe not smelling it.

Lol no one could miss me haha (I got called ham planet on the stream I was disappointed. Bacon Deathstar has such a better ring to it.)

[meteorol]

MWO won't be an esport for issues way deeper than PGI failing to cover their tournament.

[Cato Phoenix]

I think the articles and post analysis could be better publicized, put up on the website, etc. I mean, NGNG was there and have posts on it. You could feature content from the Mechcon, pictures, all sorts of stuff.

I mean, it was rough around the edges but allover very enjoyable. I watched the entire twitch stream - I like, never do that. I think that they did a pretty damn good job with the Mechcon debut - they should celebrate and promote it!

[HGAK47]

A very well written post OP. I did however have to look up the meaning of schadenfreude but I pretty much agree with you.

When I heard about MWO Esports I thought oh god another one. After watching some of the stream though I actually think there is a lot of potential in the game. The op is right, they could have done so much more to promote it in game and out of game. Utilise the tools and people available. Make videos for youtube!

Haha I just looked on youtube and they have litterally one video on piranha games youtube channel and that is the mechwarrior 5 mercs stuff. They could be doing so much more to promote the game!

Edited by HGAK47, 09 December 2016 - 07:50 AM.

[Hunka Junk]

Appogee, on 09 December 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

The thing is: there are a LOT of mature people playing this game, who DO have the experience and knowledge to help and guide PGI in matters where they are clearly out of the depth.

But they can't even be bothered hearing our advice. We're here in the forums sharing one good idea after another, but they never visit.

I'm not saying every idea shared here is good or implementable. But many could be sparking PGI's imagination and own thinking.

Instead, it's just us customers talking among ourselves, talking about what could be but never will.

This is pretty much a metaphor for modern life.

If you ever encounter competent management, then you see how it works.

On the other hand, if you've only ever encountered crap management, it's hard to imagine anything beyond that level.

[TercieI]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 09 December 2016 - 01:55 AM, said:

The trick to watching casted MWO matches is to constantly look at the minimap (much like when you're actually playing the game). Watch for the movements of the teams on the mini-map and then look back towards the main screen when the minimap looks like there's going to be some action. It also gives you a better idea how the top teams attempt to exert map pressure.

Their production team definitely failed on showcasing the product though (and I don't mean Bandit and MDM, they were great and professional). The 3 finalists basically walked onto the stage and that was it. No player introductions, no pre-game interviews, no post-game interviews, nothing. It took twinky himself to put up a picture on Reddit with the names of the EmP members next to their faces (it's not my place to link it, you can look it up yourselves). The medal ceremony was unorganized and looked poorly thrown together, the whole thing just felt like it lacked direction.

This actually nails the entirety of the MWOWC's "organization," sadly.

[Quxudica]

MWO was never going to become an Esport for a whole host of reasons. The biggest of which is simply whose developing it.

[RedDragon]

Another community related thing that obviously somehow isn't the job of our community manager ...

[Bud Crue]

Speaking of Russ's "future e-sport potential" of this game. Was there any mention or indication at mechcon of their being another tournament next year? I don't recall seeing or hearing anything (admittedly I hardly watched).

[Hunka Junk]

Bud Crue, on 09 December 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

Speaking of Russ's "future e-sport potential" of this game. Was there any mention or indication at mechcon of their being another tournament next year? I don't recall seeing or hearing anything (admittedly I hardly watched).

I watched, but considering the underlying message that MWO is now clearly second banana, that means less attention than when it was first banana.

For anyone who saw the first banana part= I hope you don't like bananas.