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[CK16]

I will post some builds later once I get home but figured to start a fun thread.

What builds will you be possibly running in July after the Civil War patch?

On new mechs and current ones?

Edited by CK16, 23 March 2017 - 05:26 AM.

[Battlemaster56]

I have to look over some of the new mechs for what builds, but for one my Timberwolf -S I will replace the spl with Heavy medium lasers so I can have sync range with my srm6+artemis.

For my Lurm Dogs I'm planning to switch out the lrms for ATM's and see how that go.

IS mechs every heavy skirmisher mech I have will have er medium lasers equip.

My Maulers will enjoy the usage of Heavy GR's or bigger bore UAC's.


Their just so many choices to make with IS right now, so many builds!!!

[Bud Crue]

I know some folks say things like "quirks don't matter" or "don't build to quirks"; my view however, is that I can't possible start theorizing about specific builds until we see the specific weapons' numbers, AND see what they do to the mechs' quirks, AND what I can recover via the skills tree.

Example: if a Quickdraw 4G retains its missile cool down quirks and those quirks are applicable to MRMs then I may decide to put an MRM of sorts on one of my builds. That will also depend however, on knowing the specific cooldown, heat and damage numbers of the MRMs. Similarly, if the mech's energy cooldown quirk will remain as well and what the specific heat characteristics of the new energy weapons will be that may encourage me to change energy weapons, but I can't think about that until I see what the actual numbers for those weapons are. Those specific decisions will also depend on any synchronization I can achieve with specific weapons combinations, and I can't theorize about that until I see beam duration and cool down times for both the new energy weapons and the missiles respectively.

If they decide to dump or cut the offensive quirks, as put forth in the last PTS, then that is going to affect my decisions as well.

If I can recover some of those presumed reduced "base line values" or even increase them via the skills tree (assuming it really does come live) that is going to affect my build decisions as well.

If they gut quirks as planned, make the new stuff too hot, too slow, too weak; or any combination there of, then I will probably just do what everybody else does now and throw 3LPLs on the stupid things since that seems to be what PGI wants to encourage. That's what they call "build diversity."

Sigh. I like thinking about this stuff, too but atm I feel like all I would be doing is guessing.

[Widowmaker1981]

All sorts of ideas floating around in my head, but i need to see some values before i know what will work (ghost heat values for new PPCs is a big one, and heat levels for RAC5s)

Ideas im currently toying with:

2x Snub nose PPC, 14 DHS, XL300, Stealth armour PHX-1B
2x Heavy PPC on SHD-2K
2x High mount Heavy PPC on Grasshopper 5H/5P
4x RAC5 Mauler

there are so many new things..

[El Bandito]

I imagine a lot of IS Assault mech owners will try the combination of LFE + RACs.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

MRMs for days.

HPPC poptarts

Stealth armor + ECM Atlas DDC with UAC20, MRM40, LFE 360, Snub nose ppcs and maybe a couple RL20s thrown in to be the ultimate in stealth Atlas technology.

RAC5 spam, and more importantly 6 RAC2 Mauler MX90. I will find a way.

On top of that just swapping STD engines in all my mechs to LFE engines, except maybe that one Crab I have with 60% of its weaponry in the CT+Head, but the one with mostly arm mounts is definitely getting LFE.

[Kasumi Sumika]

LFEs, lots of LFEs...

[Jackal Noble]

Theeeeeeeroy Jenkins!!!

[dario03]

Bud Crue, on 23 March 2017 - 04:48 AM, said:

I know some folks say things like "quirks don't matter" or "don't build to quirks"; my view however, is that I can't possible start theorizing about specific builds until we see the specific weapons' numbers, AND see what they do to the mechs' quirks, AND what I can recover via the skills tree.

Example: if a Quickdraw 4G retains its missile cool down quirks and those quirks are applicable to MRMs then I may decide to put an MRM of sorts on one of my builds. That will also depend however, on knowing the specific cooldown, heat and damage numbers of the MRMs. Similarly, if the mech's energy cooldown quirk will remain as well and what the specific heat characteristics of the new energy weapons will be that may encourage me to change energy weapons, but I can't think about that until I see what the actual numbers for those weapons are. Those specific decisions will also depend on any synchronization I can achieve with specific weapons combinations, and I can't theorize about that until I see beam duration and cool down times for both the new energy weapons and the missiles respectively.

If they decide to dump or cut the offensive quirks, as put forth in the last PTS, then that is going to affect my decisions as well.

If I can recover some of those presumed reduced "base line values" or even increase them via the skills tree (assuming it really does come live) that is going to affect my build decisions as well.

If they gut quirks as planned, make the new stuff too hot, too slow, too weak; or any combination there of, then I will probably just do what everybody else does now and throw 3LPLs on the stupid things since that seems to be what PGI wants to encourage. That's what they call "build diversity."

Sigh. I like thinking about this stuff, too but atm I feel like all I would be doing is guessing.

My issue is with heavy and light gauss. I theory crafted some 2hgr and 4lgr builds with some erml for backup on the Mauler and Annihilator but no clue on how the charge mechanic will work on those weapons. So not exactly sure how they will work since don't know what the limit on how many you can charge will be, will light gauss have a charge mechanic, will they be TT damage levels, etc.

Wish they would tell us soon. Kind of on the fence about getting the Annihilator because of it.

Edited by dario03, 23 March 2017 - 07:06 AM.

[Tordin]

Just thinking. RAC's and uacs are best for brawls, standard ac best for sniping and striking/ one hit wonders? At least thats how I see it.

Edited by Tordin, 23 March 2017 - 09:00 AM.

[MechaBattler]

Well my Awesome 8Q will be interested in snub ppcs. Not having a min range would be nice for when a light get's a little too large in your face. Or maybe 5 Light PPC spam. Not sure how worth it that would be without knowing what kind of cooldown it's getting.

Probably try to fit 2 RAC5s in a Rifleman or see how dual UAC10s fair. Maybe try for triple RAC2s, but I suspect that would be asking to much on a 60 ton mech.

I'm wondering what good new weapons will do my lights. My Firestarters are pretty dead. Perhaps ER mediums would give them enough range to not get wrecked as bad. But the problem is they're so damn big. They're lights with a medium's body. And PGI hasn't deigned to give them any further quirks. Hell they were lucky not to be stripped of what they had left during the skill tree PTS.

[RestosIII]

I'm gonna have to run my Mad Cat MKII with its lore builds for a bit, just as a show of love, but once that period wears off... I'm going to go heavy laser crazy. I don't know what builds I'm going to run, but, heavy lasers everywhere.

[Metus regem]

Just some ideas....

Spoiler

Bushwacker Metus BSW-2XM

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3068
Cost: 8,249,720 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,374

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Light Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Light Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Ultra AC/10
2 ER Medium Lasers
1 SRM-4
2 Heavy Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 91 points 3.00
Internal Locations: 4 LT, 4 RT, 4 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: Light Fusion Engine 275 12.00
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Light Ferro-Fibrous AV - 185 11.00
Armor Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 18 27
Center Torso (rear) 9
L/R Torso 13 20
L/R Torso (rear) 6
L/R Arm 9 18
L/R Leg 13 26

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Medium Lasers CT 10 2 2.00
Heavy Machine Gun RT 0 1 1.00
Heavy Machine Gun LT 0 1 1.00
SRM-4 RA 3 1 2.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 4 7 13.00
@HMG (100) HD - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (10) RT - 1 1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (10) LT - 1 1.00
@SRM-4 (Artemis) (25) RA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 6 Points: 14
5 4 4 2 0 2 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Spoiler

Centurion Metus CN9-AM

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3068
Cost: 7,131,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,479

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 250 Light Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Light Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Rotary AC/5
1 MRM-20
2 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 83 points 2.50
Internal Locations: 4 LT, 4 RT, 4 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: Light Fusion Engine 250 9.50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor: Light Ferro-Fibrous AV - 169 10.00
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 16 24
Center Torso (rear) 8
L/R Torso 12 18
L/R Torso (rear) 6
L/R Arm 8 16
L/R Leg 12 24

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 ER Medium Lasers CT 10 2 2.00
MRM-20 RT 6 3 7.00
Rotary AC/5 LA 1 6 10.00
@MRM-20 (12) RT - 1 1.00
@Rotary AC/5 (40) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 6 Points: 15
5 5 5 0 0 2 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Spoiler

Warhammer Metus WHM-6RM

Mass: 70 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3068
Cost: 10,823,900 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,688

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 280 Light Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
2 Heavy PPCs
1 MRM-10
4 ER Small Lasers
2 Heavy Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 107 points 3.50
Internal Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 5 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine: Light Fusion Engine 280 12.00
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 15(30) 5.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 212 13.50

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 22 32
Center Torso (rear) 9
L/R Torso 15 22
L/R Torso (rear) 8
L/R Arm 11 22
L/R Leg 15 29

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Small Lasers RT 4 2 1.00
Heavy Machine Gun RT 0 1 1.00
2 ER Small Lasers LT 4 2 1.00
Heavy Machine Gun LT 0 1 1.00
MRM-10 LT 4 2 3.00
Heavy PPC RA 15 4 10.00
Heavy PPC LA 15 4 10.00
@MRM-10 (24) HD - 1 1.00
@HMG (100) CT - 1 1.00
@MRM-10 (24) CT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 17
4 4 4 3 0 3 1 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

[Jackal Noble]

I'm honestly a little apprehensive of what the ER-Med is going to do to the IS short- mid range game

[Jackal Noble]

not that it's a bad thing, but almost see the regular Med being totally outclassed

[Metus regem]

JackalBeast, on 23 March 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I'm honestly a little apprehensive of what the ER-Med is going to do to the IS short- mid range game

improve it?

In all honesty, I'm wondering how PGI is going to implement the ERSL, as the is SLas is more or less an ERSL....

Then comes the other side I'm wondering how is PGI going to keep the older lasers viable compared to the ER's?

[Y E O N N E]

JackalBeast, on 23 March 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I'm honestly a little apprehensive of what the ER-Med is going to do to the IS short- mid range game

I am more concerned about what the standard MedLas will do to the ER MedLas.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 23 March 2017 - 10:11 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Yeonne Greene, on 23 March 2017 - 10:11 AM, said:

I am more concerned about what the standard MedLas will do to the ER MedLas.

I am more concerned about what the snub nosed PPC is going to do to the LPL.

[Widowmaker1981]

JackalBeast, on 23 March 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

I'm honestly a little apprehensive of what the ER-Med is going to do to the IS short- mid range game

Well, im sure that its going to have a not great duration (im guessing 1.05-1.10) , meaning it likely wont sync well with LPLs, despite the range being better suited than basic MLs or MPLs, and in the midrange game IS LPL are so good..

[Widowmaker1981]

Bud Crue, on 23 March 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

I am more concerned about what the snub nosed PPC is going to do to the LPL.

I dont think the LPL will become niche.. 1.57 damage per heat is a lot more than 1.00, and its not like it has a punishingly long duration. They will both have different uses i think.