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[Mcgral18]

Hero Mechs get you a 30% Cbill Bost

Hero Mechs should not let you have an outright superior robot.
It's not an old thing. Muromets was among the best Phract for a time, the glory of the DakkaGeddon eventually outshone by the Poptarts


Poptarts, of which the Dragon Slayer reined, beside the likes of the HGN733c, and the 3D
Cbill contenders, which were okay

There were plenty of Bad heroes, as well, but this thread isn't about that. It might even help them in the future (by not needing to keep them weak)


With previous Clam Hero wave, the Cute Fox got some nice pods
Double the amount of E hardpoints
All High mounted.
It is an outrageous improvement over the typical Cute Fox, but you do sacrifice quirks
But, it's only a Cute Fox, why do we care?
Because it sets precedent.



Cue Clam Hero Wave II, and we get multiple robots with outright improvements.
MOAR GUNs in the same pods
New Guns where no guns used to be

Myth Lynx is going from a joke, to a Light with typical Light mech firepower
Ice Fridge is getting his Jesus Box at no sacrifice (1 DHS, down to 15, and ST ECM)
SadCat ST missile doubled (I mean, Meh, but still outright improvement for $$)
Mr Gargles, torso mounted weaponry is a $$ exclusive feature


I don't like that
I don't like that one bit. Mostly because I don't plan on giving PGI any money because of decisions like these, so my robots are now inferior by design



It doesn't have to be that way.
Give Premium Chassis' a Cbill alternative. Keep them delayed, if you must (like the usual GrabDeals), but release the Chassis for Cbills, without the bonuses

Buy the Grabdeals for MC if you want the Cbill boost
Grab them for $$ if you want them early

But if you wait, let us buy them for Cbills
As a result, Premium Chassis's don't necessarily have to be as weak as some tend to be, they can risk being viable more often.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Really should let people at least buy the omnipods for cbills, even at a higher than normal price. Maybe even sell the hero mechs themselves at double the cbill cost, with or without cbill boost even.

Just enough to keep the available builds the same between pay and not, pay should decrease grind and give you fancy paints or whatever, not be the best chassis.

Edited by Dakota1000, 04 April 2017 - 04:13 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Mcgral18, on 04 April 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Hero Mechs get you a 30% Cbill Bost

Hero Mechs should not let you have an outright superior robot.
It's not an old thing. Muromets was among the best Phract for a time, the glory of the DakkaGeddon eventually outshone by the Poptarts


Poptarts, of which the Dragon Slayer reined, beside the likes of the HGN733c, and the 3D
Cbill contenders, which were okay

There were plenty of Bad heroes, as well, but this thread isn't about that. It might even help them in the future (by not needing to keep them weak)


With previous Clam Hero wave, the Cute Fox got some nice pods
Double the amount of E hardpoints
All High mounted.
It is an outrageous improvement over the typical Cute Fox, but you do sacrifice quirks
But, it's only a Cute Fox, why do we care?
Because it sets precedent.



Cue Clam Hero Wave II, and we get multiple robots with outright improvements.
MOAR GUNs in the same pods
New Guns where no guns used to be

Myth Lynx is going from a joke, to a Light with typical Light mech firepower
Ice Fridge is getting his Jesus Box at no sacrifice (1 DHS, down to 15, and ST ECM)
SadCat ST missile doubled (I mean, Meh, but still outright improvement for $$)
Mr Gargles, torso mounted weaponry is a $$ exclusive feature


I don't like that
I don't like that one bit. Mostly because I don't plan on giving PGI any money because of decisions like these, so my robots are now inferior by design



It doesn't have to be that way.
Give Premium Chassis' a Cbill alternative. Keep them delayed, if you must (like the usual GrabDeals), but release the Chassis for Cbills, without the bonuses

Buy the Grabdeals for MC if you want the Cbill boost
Grab them for $$ if you want them early

But if you wait, let us buy them for Cbills
As a result, Premium Chassis's don't necessarily have to be as weak as some tend to be, they can risk being viable more often.

It wouldn't be so bad if the pods are also available via MC at least. At least that way, it's much more accessible than what it is right now, but still requires a bit of real money at the same time. (Or event bonuses)

[Brizna]

Most cash only mechs/pods are subpar. And those that are competitive are so in a natural way. We don't have a P2W problem, at most a P2getfast.

[Ultimax]

If you want to make an issue of this, you would be much better off focusing on the EBJ, HBR and maybe the MDD.

That message will likely have better resonance.

[Y E O N N E]

Mist Lynx is going to be getting typical Light 'Mech firepower anyway with Heavy Lasers entering the fray, and it only needs three of them to hit that target. The bigger deal is the torso weaponry but, if PGI quirks the existing twin laser arms, also not a big deal.

Jesus box ain't so Jesus anymore.

I don't think one extra missile on the SHC is going to change anything.

The only truly creepy ones are the EBJ and HBR. That's some serious payload potential.

[Hit the Deck]

OmniMechs Hero are inherently problematic.

Make the pods "interesting" and you face such complaints. Make them blah and only few will buy them.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 04 April 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

The only truly creepy ones are the EBJ and HBR. That's some serious payload potential.

Considering how strong pushes are in certain scenarios, the Gargles and Sexecutioners are also a bit worry some since they could do Splat Timby builds with more tankiness.

[Athom83]

Hit the Deck, on 04 April 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

OmniMechs Hero are inherently problematic.

Make the pods "interesting" and you face such complaints. Make them blah and only few will buy them.

Or even think about doing them and you get complaints like this topic. Or don't do them and get complaints that there are a lack of Omni heroes.

[Mcgral18]

Athom83, on 04 April 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Or even think about doing them and you get complaints like this topic. Or don't do them and get complaints that there are a lack of Omni heroes.

This topic will remove this complaint
And also the other one, because they won't need to be bad.

[Hit the Deck]

Athom83, on 04 April 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Or even think about doing them and you get complaints like this topic. Or don't do them and get complaints that there are a lack of Omni heroes.

Yes.

Actually people had already known that they will bring problem. Should the pods be TimeWall'ed? I'm not sure if PGI would like that idea.

[Athom83]

Mcgral18, on 04 April 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

This topic will remove this complaint
And also the other one, because they won't need to be bad.

[TELEFORCE]

I would've loved some side torso hardpoints for my omnis that didn't get them in their canon pods.

[Rhent]

Welcome to what happens to an online FTP when the user base gets smaller and smaller.

[Adette]

The Ebon Left torso, and the Hellbringer Right torso are also P2W. High mounted dual gauss Ebon anyone?

[Mcgral18]

Athom83, on 04 April 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

Not exactly a verbose argument
Are you against the idea?

[The Lost Boy]

To the OP:

Yes. There is an element of pay to win. They are catering to those who spend money on the game, to continue to make money. Its a buisness. IF skill tree happens why would folks buy a mechpack? Why do you think KDK-3 didnt get fixed and nerfed until it was out for a bit. It was pay to win. The Scorch is close too. And several others. The game, and its buisnss model are changing. We all have to ask ourselves do we still enjoy the game? If so put up with it. If not, quit yer bichin and just uninstall and go.

[Void Angel]

Using terms like "Grabdeals" shoots your ethos right down the toilet. You might be right, but you're not presenting yourself as someone to be listened to.

[Mystere]

Is it another one of these?

[Ghogiel]

Soft P2W often makes the most money in games that use the F2P model. I am sure PGIs analytics will show that VTR-DS, embers, oxides, and so on out selling others during the periods where they are deemed the best. It'll also show that KDK mechpacks, and anything that's thought to be or ends up being powercreep or OP is a hot selling item.

Basically F2P is MWOs god end of story until the servers close down. Devs gotta eat, wanna buy a mechpack?

Edited by Ghogiel, 04 April 2017 - 04:59 PM.