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[SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER]

sorry if im beating a dead horse or if i missed a similar thread, but....

is the evga 2GB gt-730 64-bit gddr5 gpu a viable option in 2017? im running a gigabyte ga ep45-ud3r mobo (lga775 socket) with ( i believe ) a quad core intel wolfdale running somewhere around 3ghz and 4gb of ram (soon to be 8gb)

been running mwo on a i3 quad 3.2ghz all-in-one desktop at a blistering 16-20frames per second with local and gamr resolution/settings as low as they will go. needless to say, putting 200+ dmg in a PUG drop is a chore and feels like "piss'n in the wind".

i know my lga775 is obsolete to say the least and im scraping by on ram (for the moment) but that being said;

intel hit the ball out of the park with the lga775 (imho),

mwo loves intel (hates amd)

and besides virtualization capabilities, uefi, and power consumption/heat disappation, the chip on my new build is the same (or very close) frequency cpu as the all-in-one ive been using at 16-20 fps with integrated graphics

Edited by SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER, 15 April 2017 - 11:52 PM.

[xWiredx]

Yeah, but the difference in IPC is also relevant, not just the clock speed, on the CPU. It kinda depends what generation the i3 is when comparing the two, though honestly Nehalem was already kind of a big jump from everything before it and Sandy Bridge basically knocked it out of the park.

As far as the GT 730 goes, no, it probably won't be much if any better. Skylake and Kaby Lake integrated graphics probably are faster than it. You'd ultimately be better-served by 'splurging' a measly $500-600 on a hand-built system since there are a thousand videos on Youtube that can help you accomplish it.

Here in the forums, we use pcpartspicker to find decent deals on parts. The big 'gotcha' is the Windows license, so you may need to be a little creative in that dept. (you can usually find "oem" Windows copies for cheap bundled with "garbage" hardware for pretty cheap for instance). If you have a legitimate copy already, though, you should be able to carry it over.

[Lizardman from Hollywood]

Are you stuck with what u have or are you looking to buid something. You would get better results with a 50 dollar g4560 on a cheap z170 than what u have suggested. A cheep build would be g4560/cheep mobo and a 1050 for 99 bucks or splurge and get the 1050ti for 140.

[VonBruinwald]

xWiredx, on 16 April 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

As far as the GT 730 goes, no, it probably won't be much if any better. Skylake and Kaby Lake integrated graphics probably are faster than it. You'd ultimately be better-served by 'splurging' a measly $500-600 on a hand-built system since there are a thousand videos on Youtube that can help you accomplish it.

A measly $500-$600! My system cost half that and gives a solid 45FPS at 720 mid-high settings. If you're looking for a budget system you're looking sub $500, if you're looking for 'enthusiast' gaming you're aiming at $1k, anything in-between is generally upgrades, fanboyism, lucky deals or trying to get the best of both and ending up with neither.

As for the Windows 10, my best suggestion is just run a deactivated version if you're skimping, you don't miss much.

[Tarl Cabot]

https://mwomercs.com...nd-frame-rates/

His other thread in newbie subforum. That wolfdale is a dual core and it would need to be OC.

What GPU does that other system have, or is it one you are putting together? What PSU does it have?

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 16 April 2017 - 06:42 PM.

[xWiredx]

VonBruinwald, on 16 April 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

A measly $500-$600! My system cost half that and gives a solid 45FPS at 720 mid-high settings. If you're looking for a budget system you're looking sub $500, if you're looking for 'enthusiast' gaming you're aiming at $1k, anything in-between is generally upgrades, fanboyism, lucky deals or trying to get the best of both and ending up with neither.

As for the Windows 10, my best suggestion is just run a deactivated version if you're skimping, you don't miss much.

I think your expectations are off by a pretty good margin. Sub-$500 has always been considered the budget realm, sure, but $1k is not "enthusiast" by any stretch. That's mainstream territory. Enthusiast territory is cemented in the $1500+ range. I was insinuating that $500-600 was a tiny portion for a gaming system for MWO in comparison to what we know runs it well, and trust me, it is when you're looking at the average resolution (1080p).

So... its an E8400? Those were pretty highly-revered chips in their day, but those were the days were people said "nobody needs more than 2 cores" so... yeah. Any i3, including a Nehalem one, would smoke it in IPC so having the same clock speed means very little.

It really is time to BUILD rather than SALVAGE for OP.

[Vxheous]

You're not going to be able to salvage much performance out of the Wolfdale E8400 for 2017 use. That platform is 9 years old. Your best bet is to pick up a cheap H170/Z170 board and a 6th/7th gen i3.

[Dragoon20005]

without going somewhat over the top in terms of part choice with still a good mix of CPU and GPU combo
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($87.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.69 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB Dual OC Video Card ($234.95 @ Jet)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $887.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Ryzen is the new platform from AMD and it looks to be the price to performance king. the Ryzen R5 are now the mainstream CPUs which competes with the Intel i5 Core CPUs.

the performance jump from your Dual Core CPU to this quad core will be huge and the RX 480 should be plenty for 1080P Ultra and 1440P High settings.

8GB RAM is the minimum to run this game, but when you have 3rd party chat, run multi tabs, etc. 16GB is the recommended

250GB SSD should be plenty for the Boot OS and for one or two games which you play frequently and the 1TB for the rest.

the B350 board will be more than enough unless you want SLi or CF which i will suggest getting the X370 chipset

the B350 and the Ryzen 1500X are OCable so you can squeeze at least 500Mhz out of the base clock of the chip. Most Ryzen out there are able to hit at least 4.1GHz at around 1.4V stable. But you may need to upgrade the cooler to maintain the temps.

[SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER]

thanks everyone for ur replys. ive come to the conclusion my 775 idea was a pipe dream and to see the numbers i want im gonna have to upgrade mobo cpu and ram at the very least. currenty, i have:

-smilodin raidmax atx case
-rhino 430watt psu w/21amps on the 12v+
-antec tpi550
-a bunch of 1tb sata hdds and a couple 250gb ide hdds
-a bunch of dvd disc drives
-cables, front usb/audio jack/pwr button panels, case fans and most all the small fixing

that being said, any suggestions on a mobo, cpu, ram and gpu (psu also if i absolutely have to)
ideally id like to get in something quadcore, 3ghz+(been looking at i5-7500 lga1151 socket ), 8-16 gb decent grade memory, and a solid mobo (been looking into the z270 chipset but i know nothing about mobos)

[xWiredx]

SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER, on 17 April 2017 - 07:00 AM, said:

thanks everyone for ur replys. ive come to the conclusion my 775 idea was a pipe dream and to see the numbers i want im gonna have to upgrade mobo cpu and ram at the very least. currenty, i have:

-smilodin raidmax atx case
-rhino 430watt psu w/21amps on the 12v+
-antec tpi550
-a bunch of 1tb sata hdds and a couple 250gb ide hdds
-a bunch of dvd disc drives
-cables, front usb/audio jack/pwr button panels, case fans and most all the small fixing

that being said, any suggestions on a mobo, cpu, ram and gpu (psu also if i absolutely have to)
ideally id like to get in something quadcore, 3ghz+(been looking at i5-7500 lga1151 socket ), 8-16 gb decent grade memory, and a solid mobo (been looking into the z270 chipset but i know nothing about mobos)

Give us a budget target and we'll start cookin', buddy.

[SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER]

i like options lol. $300 and $500 respectivelly for a mobo, cpu, and gpu. id like to get some life out of this 430watt rhino psu as its got very low hours (maybe 20 max) but if i gotta get a psu oh well.


also, just for schitz'n'giggles; i was WAY off on my current cpu on my lga775 ga-ep45-ud3r (turned out to be a core 2 duo e8400 3ghz).
assuming i had means to overclock the cpu(and with 8gb of decent ram and the gt730 gpu) you guys think it could sustain low settings at 20-30fps? would love to have a second rig i could set up for my nephews or a freind so i can get others hooked on mwo.

[SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER]

xwiredx you seem to know your stuff about puttin togetjer a rig, assuming i already have a psu, case, cooling and storage, what would a solid mobo/cpu/gpu/ram combo that u would feel comfortable playin on look like?


as for the e8400 rig, looks like its destined to be a teamspeak server lol

[Vxheous]

SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER, on 17 April 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

xwiredx you seem to know your stuff about puttin togetjer a rig, assuming i already have a psu, case, cooling and storage, what would a solid mobo/cpu/gpu/ram combo that u would feel comfortable playin on look like?


as for the e8400 rig, looks like its destined to be a teamspeak server lol

The A-top Rhino PSU's are not good PSU's unfortunately. You probably should invest in a good power supply from a reputable company. Look for Seasonic or Superflower manufactured PSU's (brands like Corsair or EVGA are two such rebrands)

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 17 April 2017 - 09:17 PM.

[Dragoon20005]

SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER, on 17 April 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:

i like options lol. $300 and $500 respectivelly for a mobo, cpu, and gpu. id like to get some life out of this 430watt rhino psu as its got very low hours (maybe 20 max) but if i gotta get a psu oh well. also, just for schitz'n'giggles; i was WAY off on my current cpu on my lga775 ga-ep45-ud3r (turned out to be a core 2 duo e8400 3ghz). assuming i had means to overclock the cpu(and with 8gb of decent ram and the gt730 gpu) you guys think it could sustain low settings at 20-30fps? would love to have a second rig i could set up for my nephews or a freind so i can get others hooked on mwo.

that PSU will not be enough to power the new system

also it is a huge risk of pairing your new PC with a trash grade PSU.

if the PSU explodes, the PC will be killed as well since everything is powered by the PSU.

i tweaked the build to fit your budget without going any lower

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($166.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Jet)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 2GB OC Video Card ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($36.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $571.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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this is just the PC and you still need the OS

the cost will be around 600 for the new PC

as you can reuse old SATA HDDs

[xWiredx]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 17 April 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

The A-top Rhino PSU's are not good PSU's unfortunately. You probably should invest in a good power supply from a reputable company. Look for Seasonic or Superflower manufactured PSU's (brands like Corsair or EVGA are two such rebrands)

Completely agree, and on top of that it's many years old now so even if it was a good PSU then, it isn't now.

In addition, I wouldn't re-use a cooler from back then, either. Cooling technology has actually taken some leaps forward, and sufficient coolers do not put a large dent in the cost of a build. I mean, the low-end of the spectrum is a Hyper Evo for $20-25 and even an entry-level AIO is only $50-60.

I'll put together a couple builds sans case and HDDs. Post 'em later.

[xWiredx]

So I've got 3 builds for you, which we can go anywhere in between depending on what you have to spend. Higher, lower, doesn't matter. Also, keep in mind that IDE is not a thing anymore, and I'd recommend an aggressive backup strategy for drives over 5 years old (along with replacing them, honestly).

First, the "I have more than $500 to spend, but not much more, and I still want MWO to perform decently" build. The 1500X has a decent advantage in stock clock speed as well as cache over the 1400 Ryzen 5 chips. Realistically, on a decent board all Ryzen chips will pretty much OC to 4GhZ wit minimal tweaking.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($127.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB FTW GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $621.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 08:42 EDT-0400

Next up is the "I want an excellent very high settings experience" build. The 7700K is second to none for gaming, and when it comes to 1440p and below the GTX 1070 can definitely handle MWO cranked. This doesn't guarantee a minimum of 60fps at all times due to how MWO acts, but it comes very close.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.44 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF Z270 MARK 2 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($178.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB STRIX Video Card ($407.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 660W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.79 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1265.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 08:50 EDT-0400

Finally, the third build here is a bit of a compromise, but still enough to give a very good MWO experience. Realistically, the 1060 should still handle MWO on very high at 1080p without a hitch. Particles, shadows, and environment settings should be set to high instead of very high since the 7600K does not quite have the stock clock speed to keep up (though overclocking it is entirely possible and will alleviate that bottleneck).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H75 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF Z270 MARK 2 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.39 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $868.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 08:56 EDT-0400

Again, we can make changes to any of these or start completely from scratch. Just need to know what volume of dollars are at play here.

[Alloh]

So, I have a GT730, 1GB version.

It sucks! I was able to play on 1280x720, all LOW, with 22FPS in menus and frequent drops in FPS while playing, as low as 9FPS...

Replaced with an ancient GT8600, 256MB, and plays much better. 30FPS, no drops. Same specs.

Rest of PC is Intel Core 2 Duo E8500, @3.16, RAM 4GB, raid0 2x160GB 7200rpm.

[SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER]

alloh, is ur gt730 the 64-bit or 128-bit card? i know the 128-bit has a slower clock speed than the 64. i got the 2Gb 64-bit, i was gonna give it a go in my HP P6-2133w with amd quad core 2.2ghz and 8gb ram (wont be playin mwo with it cause amd plays mwo like crap)]

you guys are freaking awesome, im not use to gettin this kinda love from gaming communities lol

[Dragoon20005]

Alloh, on 18 April 2017 - 06:47 AM, said:

So, I have a GT730, 1GB version. It sucks! I was able to play on 1280x720, all LOW, with 22FPS in menus and frequent drops in FPS while playing, as low as 9FPS... Replaced with an ancient GT8600, 256MB, and plays much better. 30FPS, no drops. Same specs. Rest of PC is Intel Core 2 Duo E8500, @3.16, RAM 4GB, raid0 2x160GB 7200rpm.

SACRAMENTO NIGHT CREEPER, on 18 April 2017 - 07:24 AM, said:

alloh, is ur gt730 the 64-bit or 128-bit card? i know the 128-bit has a slower clock speed than the 64. i got the 2Gb 64-bit, i was gonna give it a go in my HP P6-2133w with amd quad core 2.2ghz and 8gb ram (wont be playin mwo with it cause amd plays mwo like crap)] you guys are freaking awesome, im not use to gettin this kinda love from gaming communities lol

that is because the DDR3 128Bit version is the slowest GT730 because of the CUDA cores, not clock speed here

it only has 96 vs the 64bit version of 384 cores. that is more than double the number of cores on the 64bit variant.

My fishy guess is that you are running only the 32bit DX9 client which still supports the GT8600

if you try running the DX11 64bit version, the GT8600 will not support it. period

1GB of VRAM is now barely enough to play even at 720P Med settings, i know because my previous HD6850 1GB struggles with the 1GB GDDR5 VRAM

when running games like MW:O , they will run worse than a potato.

I ran the game on my laptop which has a AMD HD8730 which is a DDR3 based GPU and on 720P Med settings is rock solid 25 fps. The laptop has a Core i5-3777U which is Hypertreaded so it has 4 treads. Much like the desktop i3. 8GB is the minimum for running the 64bit client.

I made some changes to the initial build that i gave you and improved the CPU and GPU combo here.

The case you have currently is still ok for the system but airflow will be the trouble as there is hardly any case fans mountings.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Biostar B350GT3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.33 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SSC GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Zalman T2 Plus MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($25.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($45.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $629.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-20 01:15 EDT-0400

[Vxheous]

xWiredx, on 18 April 2017 - 05:18 AM, said:

So I've got 3 builds for you, which we can go anywhere in between depending on what you have to spend. Higher, lower, doesn't matter. Also, keep in mind that IDE is not a thing anymore, and I'd recommend an aggressive backup strategy for drives over 5 years old (along with replacing them, honestly).

First, the "I have more than $500 to spend, but not much more, and I still want MWO to perform decently" build. The 1500X has a decent advantage in stock clock speed as well as cache over the 1400 Ryzen 5 chips. Realistically, on a decent board all Ryzen chips will pretty much OC to 4GhZ wit minimal tweaking.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.98 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($127.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB FTW GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $621.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 08:42 EDT-0400

Next up is the "I want an excellent very high settings experience" build. The 7700K is second to none for gaming, and when it comes to 1440p and below the GTX 1070 can definitely handle MWO cranked. This doesn't guarantee a minimum of 60fps at all times due to how MWO acts, but it comes very close.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.44 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF Z270 MARK 2 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($178.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB STRIX Video Card ($407.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 660W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.79 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1265.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 08:50 EDT-0400

Finally, the third build here is a bit of a compromise, but still enough to give a very good MWO experience. Realistically, the 1060 should still handle MWO on very high at 1080p without a hitch. Particles, shadows, and environment settings should be set to high instead of very high since the 7600K does not quite have the stock clock speed to keep up (though overclocking it is entirely possible and will alleviate that bottleneck).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H75 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF Z270 MARK 2 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.39 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $868.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-18 08:56 EDT-0400

Again, we can make changes to any of these or start completely from scratch. Just need to know what volume of dollars are at play here.

xWiredx, the i5 7600K can overclock to 4.8-5.0Ghz stable pretty easily at fairly decent voltages, as long as you don't try to push the CPU cache frequency to matach CPU core frequency (and it's shown in gaming that the cache frequency makes very very little difference). My wife has a i5 7600K in her system that I have running 4.8Ghz 1.25v with the cache running at 4.4Ghz. I can do 5.0Ghz 1.32v but even with a Corsair H115i cooler, the temps do start to get a bit higher (mid 80's bench, and low 70's gaming, vs 4.8Ghz 1.25v mid 70's bench, and low 60's gaming)