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[Nesutizale]

The basic idea is that we have two options:

The HeroMech Pack
Here you can buy one of the existing Variants with a Hero pattern and CB bonus
These packs cost like the do now, between 10-20$
The Mechs in this pack don't come with a costum loadout!

HeroPattern Pack
Here you can buy a HeroPattern for one of the mechs you own. That Mech would get a new pattern und the CB bonus of the normal hero Mech.


For example with the new IIC Hero packs you could either

A) HeroMech pack
You select the Orion IIC as mech. You get the Mech, mechbay, Heropattern and CB bonus for the mech. The pack costs the usual 15$

B) HeroPattern pack
You allready own a Orion IIC, so you just
the Heropattern for the Orion IIC and can then apply this HeroPattern to the Orion IIC that you own. It will then get the new skin and CB bonus.
The prize would be around 5-10$

Would you like that idea?
It has the benefit that PGI don't has to come up with a mech that dosn't exist in the lore OR more importently dosn't has the problem with beeing to powerfull (aka P2W) or beeing useless like most of the IIC Heros.
It might also get people who say "I allready own 3 variants of that hero, I don't need another one" to buy a smaller pack with just the pattern.

That is basicly my case as I allready own, except for the Jenner, all Mechs in 3 or more versions and also have CB Bonus mechs in all weightclasses.
Except for the pattern there is nothing for me that makes me spend money on the heros.
Haveing the option just to buy the skin along with the CB bonus on the other hand could open my wallet at least a little bit.

[sycocys]

Not sure why they haven't introduced hero upgrade yet.

That's got potential to get whales to upgrade up to 300 mechs instead of buy just 1-3 new variants.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Well, the question then is, why would anyone pay 2-3 times as much for Hero 'mech when they can just buy the pattern + bonus and apply it to a C-Bill 'mech?

[sycocys]

Jay Leon Hart, on 20 May 2017 - 03:36 AM, said:

Well, the question then is, why would anyone pay 2-3 times as much for Hero 'mech when they can just buy the pattern + bonus and apply it to a C-Bill 'mech?

Some people will just want a different variant with a custom pattern.

Some will be crazy enough to hero all their mechs anyhow and just want the new toy.

I don't think tying hero to pattern is a great idea myself, or having upgraded heros generate the same either - because there are some builds that would legitimately destroy c-bill value entirely if they could make +30%.

A +5-10% range in c-bills and gxp would probably be plenty useful to get a lot of players to go in for 5 bucks or so.
Or even something unique that made it an option to upgrade heroes with - like 5% c-bill/gxp and +1 of those locker keys every 50/100 wins.

[mouser42]

Jay Leon Hart, on 20 May 2017 - 03:36 AM, said:

Well, the question then is, why would anyone pay 2-3 times as much for Hero 'mech when they can just buy the pattern + bonus and apply it to a C-Bill 'mech?

the mech needs to be in 100 drops/games played by that player or something like that before the hero pattern is open to buy for that mech

[Nesutizale]

I don't know if Hero Mechs should cost that much anyway. I mean we run into the problem that to be desirable they have to be better then the one you can get for free. That leads into a power spiral like we have just recently seen and PGI reacted to this with releasing OMNI pods that are similar for everyone else. This will just go on and on.

The other extreme we see with the current IIC release is that the mechs are worse then the free avaible ones. Except for someone who dosn't have the mech or just wants another one with a CB bonus, they are hardly worth it.

Thats why I would say, lets keep the Heropattern and CB Bonus a small extra pack that you can add to your existing rooster for little money.
New Mechs are the ones that should be bring PGI the money.

On a side note:
I don't know for how long PGI can keep the "mechsell income" steady anyway. We are currently at a point where people have more then enough mechs anyway. Smaller packs like HeroPattern, Faction-Decal-packs and other small stuff might improve income for a short time till they managed to find a new way to get and keep new players in the game.

[DAYLEET]

Hero mech need to be different because they have different hardpoints and based on lore MOSTLY but every other special variant could have its pattern sold separately with a cbill bonus. At least for the mech of the same chassis. Should be doable without having to hire more people.

i Know i would get some R2 and Phoenix Pack (S)pecial pattern for other of the same chassis if possible. Who wouldnt want the (S) pattern+bost of the KDK-1 onto the kdk-3? Huge opportunity for profit here.

Now that people dont fee like buying more than 1 mech, it should be a priority if only to get more cash.

Edited by DAYLEET, 20 May 2017 - 11:06 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

DAYLEET, on 20 May 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

Hero mech need to be different because they have different hardpoints and based on lore MOSTLY but every other special variant could have its pattern sold separately with a cbill bonus. At least for the mech of the same chassis. Should be doable without having to hire more people.

i Know i would get some R2 and Phoenix Pack (S)pecial pattern for other of the same chassis if possible. Who wouldnt want the (S) pattern+bost of the KDK-1 onto the kdk-3? Huge opportunity for profit here.

Now that people dont fee like buying more than 1 mech, it should be a priority if only to get more cash.

Yeah, I would love more of my (S) 'mechs to actually be useful.

[Isolani]

Hero mechs are generally not top tier mechs, with a few exceptions. So the c-bill bonus is kind of offset by the fact that you aren't playing the "best" mechs. I suspect that people would go nuts on the P2W angle if you could just upgrade the best mech variants into c-bill machines.

I'm not against the idea, I think it would be a money maker. I think there would be lots of complaints though.

[Nesutizale]

What should make a Heromech Unique? What options do we have without makeing the mech to strong or to weak and still desirable?

- Paintjob
This is just astetics, it dosn't alter the gameplay so its fine. Desireable? Kinda, depends on the taste.

- Hardpoints
Depeding if you play "seriouse" or just for fun this can break a mech for you and can easly lead into the P2W corner.

- Quirks
A Set of positive and negative quirks could be interesting. Like you can better YAW then the basic version but generate more heat. While it surely would make a Hero unique it can also lead quickly into the P2W corner

- CB/XP Bonus
This dosn't alter the gameplay and gives the player something usefull. Personly I consider this as one of the best parts of the HeroMechs. The seriouse players swim in money anyway but for new players and casual players it realy helps to get startet or keep up the feeling of progression.
When the new guy in our group finaly had his first CB Mech the game became much more fun for him as he had the chance to make some coin he could use for equipment and new mechs. It was what keept him in the game.

- GXP/GSP Bonus
With the change of to the new skilltree it could be interesting to have a mech that gives you a small bonus in this regard. Makeing it easier not just to skill one mech but give a GSP every 3-5 matches? Something like that?

[sycocys]

One thing that would be interesting if they'd allow players to pick their own heroes (whether it be pattern or token/whatever) is if doing so also rewarded the players that killed them with a small bonus.

Would basically put a slightly larger target on your back for hero-izing a mech.

[Nesutizale]

That could also be interesting...something like a mini challange.